Vilas' addons

[vilas 477]

those HWM Fals you show look more like mix of L1A1 with FAL

, more L1A1 with FAL foregrip

like other mods has some weapons which are not proper in some details and look different than real gun, i don't know what you meant showing here those models and saying i am fantasizing ?

compare them to my FALs , and than compare to photos from internet of real gun

use google and look at photos of real gun before you will start with next weapons comparision cause i can list here some half-models but i don't want to do it ;]

but when you show here other models than i had to answer with all respect to other mod's work

and my FN MAG meant to be more FN MAG than L7

when you say i am fantasising about FAL, than you start to behave like other member who told me to change fire selector in Polish AK variant to other side and do Polish T80 and to not equip Police in G36Eotech and etc.

i don't know why there are people who behave like this :/

it is not XIX century, we have google which we can use to browse for photos

i know that there are addonmakers who say "who cares" but it is their choice and you cannot say i am fantasize because my weapon model looks different than other mod made it, even more other mods are interested in my weapons models, other mods get from me MLODs to replace their wrong models if they want

it is not me who is fantasizing about weapons

if someone made wrong sight or other element - i won't be copying this and i don't understand why you compare to other mod instead comparing to photo of REAL gun:

http://img62.imageshack.us/img62/3929/fnfalte5.jpg

some time ago i remember there was person who told that i should change my Abakan AN-94 sight, cause in Stalker it looked other way

grrrr

[Grim_Fandango 0]

Apart from the carrying handle, of course. That style hasn't

been used on British guns since the X15 trials guns in the

late 1950s. Your model actually looks more like an Australian

gun.

Good point! I didn't even see the handle.

Also it makes sense that they WOULD have a magazine to some extents, though I have to say that in most of the combat reports/diaries and pictures I've seen, there's always been either one guy or a gunner/assistant team fussing about with chained link. Seems pretty unpractical if you ask me.

Is it just an M240-style mag, or do you have a picture?

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@Vilas

First of all, I wasn't planning to sidestep your thread discussing some FAL foolery, it was just a sidenote, but I have to say I don't really see your points.

I wasn't saying you were fantasizing about FALs, either, and do mind you that I have absolutely nothing to do with the models, I'm not even an addonmaker, I just fool around with paintshop. However, I do think HWM have made the best FALs yet. They're not perfect by any means, but I don't see any better ones out there (Which is indeed a crime in my oppinion)

I'm not a FAL expert or weapons systems analyst of any kind, but I do know enough to know that they've been exported, licensed and redesignated and tweaked by a million and one countries, and in just a few minutes of google, I've seen quite a few examples of FALs that are alike, yet nothing alike.

Last of all, I'm not pushing anything on anyone here, I just showed you the result of my own personal fooling around, and told you that if you'd like to add an L7/L8 style Gimpy to your pack, you'd be more than welcome to use what I've made.

I kinda sense that that's not the case, and so what? I won't force it into any of your packs, I promise

Personally what matters most to me is immersion. I don't need every tiny detail to be perfect, as long as I can "believe" in the gun I'm using. In terms of those changes I've made, I can now take the M240/Mag/GPMG and HWM FAL seriously - obviously not while subjecting either to the closest of scrutiny, but rather by virtue of playing the game.

I don't know if you appreciate constructive criticism or not, but having your FALs look like that does ruin my sense of immersion.

That's what a real FAL should look like, and feel like, when you hold it in-game. My edit of the HWM ones are very far from that as well, but at the end of the day, I'll take the closest thing I can get.

[vilas 477]

you show my L1A1 and you say i made wrong FAL ??

picture shows L1A1 , NOT FAL, this picture what you show is not FN-FAL

i made few models of FAL family, FAL, FAL PARA, L1A1, STG 58, and Israeli LB

it is not FN-FAL what you call my FN FAL

[FriketMonkey 0]

Thanks for the latest addon packs Vilas. They are great. I'm really like your work, and hope to download the project 85 mod pretty soon to! Big thanks for your work and effort!

[twisted 128]

Vila's your work continues to be the measure of accurate weaponry and vehicles in ArmA. That's what makes them the best - if i want to closest replica of a real weapon in ArmA i choose yours - especially with the massive variety in your work.

that said it is good to see the discussions to learn more about why weapons are authentic or not - i enjoy learning these things that's why i have arma.

there are other great packs out there - but they are not as consistently worked on or released as yours.

look forward to future releases.

[Grim_Fandango 0]

you show my L1A1 and you say i made wrong FAL ??

picture shows L1A1 , NOT FAL, this picture what you show is not FN-FAL

i made few models of FAL family, FAL, FAL PARA, L1A1, STG 58, and Israeli LB

it is not FN-FAL what you call my FN FAL

This is getting silly, it's not the exact weapon, no, because my point wasn't to compare the differences between the models, an SLR to an original FAL - The difference is how real the ingame model is compared with reality. Real FAL/SLR versus ingame FAL/SLR.

To make the exact same point I did before, mate, it doesn't feel like a real "SLR". The model might be fine, but the texture completely ruins it for me, I don't feel like I'm holding an SLR.

The rubber doesn't look like rubber, it looks like distorted mesh with unseemly lines cutting off around the model, and the gun, which is one of the blackest guns I've ever seen in any photograph, looks grey! Thus ruining the illusion that you're holding any sort of authentic SLR in your hands ingame.

[miles teg 1]

Grim, you could always just ue a different weapon.

Everytime I hold the IMI FN-FAL he made, I can only admire the workmanship of the model AND textures.  

The SLR also I don't think has rubber coatings. I've not held one but from the looks of it, I believe it just uses a synthetic polymer stock like the M16 rifles (which I have used). If it was rubber it would likely be much more dull looking.

Personally I think the textures look fine on the SLR looking at the pics you posted of it. Any blacker and you would have a hard time seeing any details at all on it.  Also texture mapping is not easy. If you can do a better job, then nicely ask him for the .p3d MLOD of that particular rifle and the textures for it.  Then have a go at it.

Vilas is usually working on a whole ton of different projects so cut him a little slack.  The quality of this pack overall is very high given the small team of addon makers working with Vilas (who also work on other mods).  

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[Grim_Fandango 0]

Grim, you could always just ue a different weapon.

Everytime I hold the IMI FN-FAL he made, I can only admire the workmanship of the model AND textures.  

The SLR also I don't think has rubber coatings. I've not held one but from the looks of it, I believe it just uses a synthetic polymer stock like the M16 rifles (which I have used). If it was rubber it would likely be much more dull looking.

Personally I think the textures look fine on the SLR looking at the pics you posted of it. Any blacker and you would have a hard time seeing any details at all on it.  Also texture mapping is not easy. If you can do a better job, then nicely ask him for the .p3d MLOD of that particular rifle and the textures for it.  Then have a go at it.

Vilas is usually working on a whole ton of different projects so cut him a little slack.  The quality of this pack overall is very high given the small team of addon makers working with Vilas (who also work on other mods).  

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

Again, I'm not gonna buy into every forum members pedantic psychosis over every word I type. Polymer, rubber, cheese, I don't really care. The point is how it looks. Not what it's made of.

Secondly, I'm not out to "get" anyone here. The thing is, I posted those pictures to show some fun I'd had, and Vilas started slagging off HWM's work for being shoddy, even though that was pretty far from the main topic of my post.

I then merely pointed out that his own didn't match it.

I'm convinced that HWM worked hard, to the best of their ability to bring us their pack, and I don't think they deserve to be mocked for it. At least show some respect. Equally Vilas does some truly great work, and I've complimented him on it several times.

This is my one and only point: the SLR is not in that category.

Aside from that, I already said I wasn't an addonmaker, I don't propose to be able to "do better" than anybody. I just play around with stuff to make it look better, any way I can. That doesn't mean I can't look at a shoddy job and call it a shoddy job. You don't have to be a classical musician to know Britney Spears is crap.

You are right that Arma lighting is completely unforgiving and cuckoo, but you can still safely darken the rifles quite a bit further, as shown above.

[miles teg 1]

I didn't see Vilas say anything particularly bad about the HVM mod.  Col. Faulkner had a few choice words, but thats about it. lol

Keep in mind that the good Colonel is a walking history book and is one of the most knowledgable people on this forum when it comes to firearms. However it would be interesting to compare the HVM FAL rifles to pictures of actual Greek FAL rifles. As you stated there are a ton of variants so perhaps their's are indeed a odd hybrid of SLR and FN-FAL rifles. Either that or they made a good looking rifle, but that was not quite accurate. It happens. I know my mod is guilty of plenty of inaccuracies done sometimes by accident and sometimes because we couldn't get a better model/textures.

It is for that reason that we trust in Vilas when it comes to many of our weapons and so we use many of his weapon packs.

Anyways... guys relax...it's just a game.  Vilas was mainly upset because you were at first comparing his stuff to that of another mod's rather then to actual photographs originally.  It's good that you posted a few photos in your later posts. Vilas likes constructive criticism based on historical data/real photographs.   But really I think it's knitpicking as I think overall that his FAL rifles are quite lovely.  

I would recommend that you make your own personal FN-FAL as you mentioned that you were "having some fun" with the HVM  FAL rifle.  That's good. Just get permission from HVM to make your own stand-alone version and it should be a small enough addon to throw into a RAR/ZIP/7zip of any missions you make using it. You could also approach any Falklands War type mods and get them to use it perhaps.  

Anyways...  everyone should take a deep breath, have a laugh, and just enjoy making addons and playing them.  

Speaking of which...I'm gonna go lead an infantry assault with my IDF Golani using Vilas's IMI FAL rifles and Uzis.  

Chris G.

aka-Miles Teg<GD>

[vilas 477]

i would like to inform, that on FTP goes new version of addon NPL - modern Polish army and vehicles

whats new ?

hatches on tanks , added desert M96 Chacal BRDM (not only reskin of BRDM M96, but new model with desert-version ventilators on side) and new shadow lods for some vehicles

nothing more was changed in infantry models (added only Policeman with P-99 pistol)

addon uses 3 weapons packs

Polish weapons

East/Soviet/Russian - because of RPK, RPG-7

German weapons - because Police uses G36C Eot, MP5

link in first post or here (replaced old file)

http://ofp.gamepark.cz/_hosted/vilas/upd/vilas_npl.7z

will be ready on FTP in 30 minutes, circa 21:10 CET 76 MB

[maza94 0]

I uploading now,

Have you fixed Googles bug?

[Törni 0]

Hello Vilas. Any chance that you could add officers and vehicle crews for your WWII pack?

[topas 1]

added desert M96 Chacal BRDM

For those not familiar with the Polish modification of the BRDM currently being in use by our contingent in Iraq:

BRDM2 M96ik Szakal

[Col. Faulkner 0]

 However it would be interesting to compare the HVM FAL rifles to pictures of actual Greek FAL rifles.  As you stated there are a ton of variants so perhaps their's are indeed a odd hybrid of SLR and FN-FAL rifles.  Either that or they made a good looking rifle, but that was not quite accurate.  

It is true that modern gun nuts have made some hideous

monstrosities out of the elegant and coldly-warlike FAL

design, however no military service rifles have been "hybrids".

A "hybrid" of metric and inch pattern FAL rifle parts generally

requires some "blacksmithing" - but is irrelevant in a military

context anyway.

I dislike the "HWM" FALS because they totally (and comically)

fail to give the impression (even within the game engine's

considerable limitations) of firing an FN FAL-style rifle, nor

are they authentic models of Greek army rifles, nor are the

physical details and texture art anything to enthuse over.

However, I'm not going to go into that any more in this

thread.

Having just tried out Vilas' latest ones, I think they are better

in that they have a recoil that roughly approximates the

"feeling" (again within game engine limitations, of course) of

firing the rifle and a decent sound. They do have mistakes in

detail apparent to anyone who really knows these rifles but

they are fine for players (presumably the majority, but

excluding myself and apparently "Grim Fandango") who just

want something that looks basically like a FAL to shoot with

in the game. They fit right in with the "house style" of the

"Lost Brothers" mod, for example, so I can appreciate "Miles

Teg's" enthusiasm for them.

[Col. Faulkner 0]

Also it makes sense that they WOULD have a magazine to some extents, though I have to say that in most of the combat reports/diaries and pictures I've seen, there's always been either one guy or a gunner/assistant team fussing about with chained link. Seems pretty unpractical if you ask me.

Is it just an M240-style mag, or do you have a picture?

The only one I have to hand right now is this one (public domain image):

I don't know if these are official issue, or COTS or otherwise

obtained (I'm not totally up to speed on the present-day kit).

But they're certainy in use to some extent. FWIW I can show you

a picture of the older steel box.

These are basically meant as a patrol pouch for a short (eg.

50 rounds) teaser belt (you could actually cram 65 rounds into

the steel box). The steel box was designed to hinge open so

the No.2 could clip extra link onto the end of the length

currently on the feed tray (in theory anyway).

Even with loose belts you'd never really get more than 50 round

lengths in the light role - any longer and they're awkward and

have a tendency to dislodge rounds and cause loss and stoppages.

[vilas 477]

i was wondering what is visual difference between L7 and FN Mag, cause looking at pictures I don't see such clearly like between L1A1 and FAL

you're expert here concernig UK weapons so please enlight it

[da12thMonkey 1943]

i was wondering what is visual difference between L7 and FN Mag, cause looking at pictures I don't see such clearly like between L1A1 and FAL

you're expert here concernig UK weapons so please enlight it

The main differences are that the carry handle is shaped like a tapered cylinder and ribbed for improved grip, and of course the polymer butt stock.

There is usually a dovetail mount fitted to the left-hand side of the weapon, just before the stock. Not every GPMG has the dovetail but most of the ones in infantry use do.

@Faulkner:

The MoD were showing off some tan coloured, canvas ammo pouches for the GPMG at the recent UOR demo on Salisbury Plain too. Not seen any images of them in use yet; but there have only ever been a handful of pics showing blokes with the older solid boxes (all of Royal Marines from Herrick 1 IIRC).

[twisted 128]

a quick question? are the bullet paths out of alignment for some weapons?

last night i had set up a quick mission to try out more of these weapons and found that some assault rifles seems to shoot a little to the left of where they were expected. I cannot remember the exact name of the weapons - AFAIR one example was the german made weaponbox modern g3 equivalent.

and i agree with the poster above that i it's very nice to have weapons whose action (recoil, etc) seem close to what is in real life taking into consideration the game engine limitations. that is one of the big things that makes Vilas mod very good for me.

[vilas 477]

than i must have made error in memory of model if it shoots not from middle of barrel

[vilas 477]

new version of Leopard pack

changes:

hatches, a little dirt on textures, lower glossiness of materials (more matte), added classes with my BW addon crew too

http://ofp.gamepark.cz/_hosted/vilas/upd/vill.7z

[MarkJ112 0]

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[Binary 0]

I get this when clicking on the Vilas Vehicles (BIS Crew)

And when turned out as loader, I simply get the "command crosshair" - so its not possible to actually shoot the MG3

Edit:

Otherwise smashing-good-looking tanks Vilas, do you have any plans to enable the gunner to move his turret without the engine turning on? Mateck's M1's can do that, and its really awesome to not have the engine on, all of the time.

[vilas 477]

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu why??

why it not works

buuu on my PC it worked , i tested it

buuu

please someone check this missing MG weapon class

concerning Engine on - okay, it is not a problem in config

i was really checking it in home, if there is a error for other people, than really sory and today after back in home at 5PM will be replaced

but

maybe my other addon corrupted it ?

old VIBI or something other

[Binary 0]

Sounds good Vilas

I noticed two more issues:

1.) In 3rd person, camera control for the commander is not functional. He can look up and down, but not to the sides

2.) When turned out as commander, same issue as above