Idea Games NOT publishing Armed Assault/

[robert(uk) 0]

Now now guys, just because it wasn't quite what we were hoping for, there's no need to start insulting BIS' decision to strengthen their position...

[shinRaiden 0]

This is very old news for the Google mining trolls, it's just a rehash of the rumor-mongering leading UP to E3.

The truth is out there... (awol blues emote goes here...)

[SpecOp9 0]

I still think BIS should publish their own games... it just seems right...

BIA made their own copies of VBS1 with the equipment they had - at least I believe.. Why not with AA? Sure VBS1 doesnt need as much publicity and copies to be made for a non-commercial game. But man, self publishing like EA games does? That's close to a godsend...

[IronPyramid 0]

I'll be happy to see a well advertised AA from a respectable publisher, and I'm sure I wont have to worry now that BIS has more room to choose what the hell they want in their freaking games!

Merry Christmas!

[Heatseeker 0]

I still think BIS should publish their own games... it just seems right...

BIA made their own copies of VBS1 with the equipment they had - at least I believe..  Why not with AA?  Sure VBS1 doesnt need as much publicity and copies to be made for a non-commercial game.  But man, self publishing like EA games does?  That's close to a godsend...

Well producing and selling 100's of thousands of games is not the same has burning and selling 700 cd's online, gamers who dont follow the flashpoint universe dont even know or care about vbs.

If BIS expects to reach or surpass the success of the original flashpoint they need a good label willing to seriously invest on the product (it seems codies did bad on OPF:E so far although the fact codies is a well known label helped the game get media interest).

They need serious marketing strategies and a huge investment to make sure this games existance is well known out there and to make people believe Jesus is coming. More than showing a feature list and some screenies, only the hardcore maniac fans will drool over that (raise your hands everyone..).

Just look at BF2, is it really that good? IMO not really but everyone has heard all about it, we know Arma has the potential to be alot more than just a improved OPF and thats where BIS should focus on. BIS themselves could release the ocasional mindblowing set of screenies or ingame gameplay footage in a sort of "God have spoken" style or hype their achievements, technology and developments more like others have done.

Let the world know their technology is superior and that they aim to reach higher than everyone else out there just because its true .

[privatenoob 0]

They need serious marketing strategies and a huge investment to make sure this games existance is well known out there and to make people believe Jesus is coming. More than showing a feature list and some screenies, only the hardcore maniac fans will drool over that (raise your hands everyone..).

Just look at BF2, is it really that good?

Ever occured to any of you that seems so concerned with how much Arma sells, that maybe BIS doesnt have the same perspective as you? They have their fanatic community and they know it and they probably know that the general FPS maniac doesnt give a S*** about OFP or ArmedAssault. This doesnt mean they should be lazy in adverstising but I think BIS very much knows what they are doing......from their perspective and their intentions with these games.

[NeMeSiS 11]

They need serious marketing strategies and a huge investment to make sure this games existance is well known out there and to make people believe Jesus is coming. More than showing a feature list and some screenies, only the hardcore maniac fans will drool over that (raise your hands everyone..).

Just look at BF2, is it really that good?

Ever occured to any of you that seems so concerned with how much Arma sells, that maybe BIS doesnt have the same perspective as you? They have their fanatic community and they know it and they probably know that the general FPS maniac doesnt give a S*** about OFP or ArmedAssault. This doesnt mean they should be lazy in adverstising but I think BIS very much knows what they are doing......from their perspective and their intentions with these games.

But they still need to sell their game, they cant eat their games...

[jtec 0]

Im pretty sure advertisement doesnt really make you buy a product unless you are some drone that has to have something just because someone on a ad tells you you got to have it. The game if im not mistaken sold well because people played the Demo that was just the most amazing thing that had ever been seen. You could even start a post now titled something like "what made you buy flashpoint" and im pretty sure that about 80%+ bought it from either playing the demo or playing a friends version.

[Heatseeker 0]

Im pretty sure advertisement doesnt really make you buy a product unless you are some drone that has to have something just because someone on a ad tells you you got to have it.  The game if im not mistaken sold well because people played the Demo that was just the most amazing thing that had ever been seen.  You could even start a post now titled something like "what made you buy flashpoint" and im pretty sure that about 80%+ bought it from either playing the demo or playing a friends version.

You are refering to us and we are fans, we know BIS and Armed Assault exist, we are the ones who didnt just try or beat OPF and moved along. 1 million+ people didnt buy OPF because of the demo, joe went inside a store, saw a nice looking box, read it, saw the screenies and thought: : Hey, a FPS where i can drive, fly and blow stuff, gonna try that.. and that was it, at the time there were no military shooters featuring huge maps and vehicals and the game caught everyone by surprise, today there are.

My first impressions after trying OPF for the first time were not very positive, but that wasnt my point...

My point is people need to know about Armed Assault, see it and read about it and become interested and so far i dont see that happening .

[Skulleye 0]

Good point. Just release a demo, advertise for it, and don't implement Starforce with it

[Heatseeker 0]

Good point. Just release a demo, advertise for it, and don't implement Starforce with it

lol , maybe advertise, inform (!, advertise some more, put some impressive pics and movies out there, interviews, inform and advertise again and again... brag about their unique and powerfull engine and developments then when the game is close to release kickass demo, big praising from everywhere, best tactical military game ever, etc...

[JdB 151]

lol , maybe advertise, inform (!, advertise some more, put some impressive pics and movies out there, interviews, inform and advertise again and again... brag about their unique and powerfull engine and developments then when the game is close to release kickass demo, big praising from everywhere, best tactical military game ever, etc...

Or you get Daiktana 2 (oooooooooooooooooooooooverhyped) or Duke Nukem 5 (for those of you not so bright as uncle HuNTeR, part 4 of DK has been in development on and off for almost 10 years now).

Stuffing people with information about how great a game is and then having a bunch of disappointed gamers that realize all of these ''groundbreaking'' new ideas are not what they had expected them to be can have a rather .... negative result on sales

[Dwarden 1125]

i'm sure some sort of tech demo trailer like for JustCause http://www.eidos.co.uk/gss/justcause/

will do it's job ...

[Heatseeker 0]

Stuffing people with information about how great a game is and then having a bunch of disappointed gamers that realize all of these ''groundbreaking'' new ideas are not what they had expected them to be can have a rather .... negative result on sales

If the information and footage is objective and acurate it can only do good, i believe many people who tried flashpoint couldnt see past its bad performance, jerky colision and graphics, i am not sugesting overhype, i am sugesting objective advertising and info. Tech reports, improvements, etc. The improved Flashpoint engine seems capable of pissing on everything else out there, the gameplay and graphical improvements, the capacity of drawing bigger, better and more detailed environments and units, etc.

I strongly believe Arma has the capacity of making a small revolution out there and to crap on all the small, shiny corridor, limited shooters.

I believe BIS should try to release more impressive images and show off a bit more. I dont mean releasing hundreds of pictures but ensuring that the few they release leave a very good impression about the game .

[Web(13) 0]

Stuffing people with information about how great a game is and then having a bunch of disappointed gamers that realize all of these ''groundbreaking'' new ideas are not what they had expected them to be can have a rather .... negative result on sales

If the information and footage is objective and acurate it can only do good, i believe many people who tried flashpoint couldnt see past its bad performance, jerky colision and graphics, i am not sugesting overhype, i am sugesting objective advertising and info. Tech reports, improvements, etc. The improved Flashpoint engine seems capable of pissing on everything else out there, the gameplay and graphical improvements, the capacity of drawing bigger, better and more detailed environments and units, etc.

I strongly believe Arma has the capacity of making a small revolution out there and to crap on all the small, shiny corridor, limited shooters.

I believe BIS should try to release more impressive images and show off a bit more. I dont mean releasing hundreds of pictures but ensuring that the few they release leave a very good impression about the game .

well... in my opinion it will be a small revolution for ppl that are waiting for the successor for years now (like me ) and for ppl who loved ofp (like me )... but I dont think that it will be this kind of revolution for the regular gamer who plays cs and stuff like that.

[Scrub 0]

In the same point, if collision, animations, graphic density, and buildings have all been improved to the point that is written, why *can't* there also be a corridor shooter type of play (read: 'small map with high object density' ).  That would be a great transition point for the FPS junkies to visit on, and reinforce our ranks as they get use to bigger ops.  

A GREAT sales tool for those in the slots.

*Goes on a BF2 server*

'The end is neigh, fixed-sight heathens. Convert!  CONVERT!!'

 

[Heatseeker 0]

A better looking website should have been made already, Arma's site looks poor and the banner images there look like OPF:E, a better site would make wonders promoting the game.

Then theres the pics, the first Arma pics one will come up with are old and unimpressive and look like OPF:Elite or old flashpoint.

Ex: early armed assault pic, doesnt look all that great, sorry but that will scare people away .

Then there's the latest stuff wich looks far better, that will grab peoples atention, a good mix of pictures showing both the huge scale and detail of the game, some weapons, units and vehicals, graphical features, etc. It feels BIS isnt even trying to grab public interest and media atention so far, a decent site, a good gallery and maybe a decent movie would be very benefitial, media coverage and public interest would help getting the game published but BIS needs to generate interest first and it wouldnt be that hard.

IMO BIS should be more carefull about their image and their products but im just a fan of a dead 5 year old game...

[Journeyman 0]

A better looking website should have been made already......

All this is true! The problem is that BIS work in strange ways! We never quite know what their next move will be and we're always taken by surprise!  

I guarantee their website will soon get updated, but it will be in a totally unexpected way and with totally new and unseen content! ...thats just BIS!  

[Dynamax 0]

cristmas anyone?

[cozza 24]

BIS do some advertising. I got a magazine about Australian and NZ army. And opened it up and first page. Ad for VBS1. That was the Autum issue. Got one for Xmas and half a page on VBS1 ADF pack and what there making. Turn indicators and crew mounted weaponry and a 144km area of Al Samarath (How even you spell the Aussie AO)

[Heatseeker 0]

From Idea games regarding Armed Assault:

Quote[/b] ]• A world that lives on its own

• A military GTA

I hope stuff will still be rendered in real time, i wouldnt like to have stuff spawning in the game GTA style and im curious about a world that lives on its own has i think BIS wanted to do that with Nogova .

Quote[/b] ]BIS do some advertising. I got a magazine about Australian and NZ army.

Is that (scroll down a bit) the magazine you got? Contact? Maybe their just good friends .

Hey Batdog, enter the  contest and you might win a copy of VBS1, a strange way to distribute a top secret military training simulation, right next to call of duty .

[funnyguy1 0]

Better web pages would seriously do the job...

ArmA seems to be teribly boring by looking at the game`s page...

No matter what`s like, the web page is ugly.

If I didn`t know about ofp, I would think ArmA is some kind of boring 2D sim just by watching the page.

They should show ppl who don`t know a thing about ofp that It`s playable...I cant belive I`m wrtitting it, but something like "you see? ArmA is cool" attitude would be better...

It doesn`t have to be so mature like vbs1...

[llauma 0]

Better web pages would seriously do the job...

ArmA seems to be teribly boring by looking at the game`s page...

No matter what`s like, the web page is ugly.

If I didn`t know about ofp, I would think ArmA is some kind of boring 2D sim just by watching the page.

They should show ppl who don`t know a thing about ofp that It`s playable...I cant belive I`m wrtitting it, but something like "you see? ArmA is cool" attitude would be better...

It doesn`t have to be so mature like vbs1...

Normally things like that are handled by the publisher but I agree that BIS should work more on the promotion of the game. Things like the site and the 80's style heavy metal band Armed Assault logo needs a face lift. Why not just ask the community to create something nice for them. I'm sure there would be more than enough people able and willing to do so.

On otherhand, I don't want them to make a flashy site which makes people think that it's a BF2 clone. The site should reflect how the game is, and it's more a war sim than an adrenaline rush action game. OFP will never be able to compete against games such as BF2 in making kids think 'cool, I need to tell mom to buy it', so they should aim to please the current community which is relatively mature.

[cozza 24]

Quote[/b] ]BIS do some advertising. I got a magazine about Australian and NZ army.

Is that (scroll down a bit) the magazine you got? Contact? Maybe their just good friends .

Hey Batdog, enter the  contest and you might win a copy of VBS1, a strange way to distribute a top secret military training simulation, right next to call of duty .

Nah its Australian & New Zealand Defender   But mostly it just Australians  

Oh I am gonna enter the contest.

[ziiip 1]

"Altar Games released poor UFO/XCOM remakes and Black Element Software made a below average horror game named "Shade :Wrath of Angels", and is currently working on a FPS."

"It means it's a collaboration between three developers to aid the developing of games, marketing, pr, legal issues etc. It's not about publishing, seems most people have missed that point"

Now this is really great, BIS will aid 2 poor developer team.