Track ir

[King Haggis 0]

Quote[/b] ]Quote (King Haggis @ June 15 2006,17:04)

Those who are sceptical about Track IR, please try it, I'm sure you'll like it.

I will if you'll buy me one

LOL, sorry but mine was 185,- Euro's (Track IR 4 Pro) and now I have to work overtime to survive this month but it was worth it  

But, feel free to drop by my house whenever you visit The Netherlands to give Track IR4 a try.

[Heatseeker 0]

Just saw the movie and honestly i only see it being usefull for vehicles, not something i would spend more than 50€ at and not very usefull for the infantry side of the game.

I also saw that the weapon model still jerks like OPF, its very noticeable and quite dispointing to see the rifle jerking on the player's hands since they were supposed to have fixed the colision/clipping problems .

[maxqubit 1]

yeah, will the Trackir be more expensive then the game itself?

What about mouse, keyboard, gfx card, monitor, cooling devices, hdd, cpu, well you name it?

TrackIR is just an extra in the list above. I see no money argument. It costs money, but so do all the other things in the list.

Imo it is absolutely brilliant (i would love to see this in combination with ofp:e styled controller interface freeing up the damned keyboard+mouse almost alltogether ... but then again, i'm a console junkie:)

[Shins 0]

Looks nice, however for $180 ArmA should support vector expansion - leaning and vertical movement of upper body (damn usefull for shooting through windows, etc). Looking around itself doesn't justify it's cost for people who don't regulary play fligh or racing sims.

@Dohtar

ArmA does have full vector expansion. You can zoom in by leaning forward and lean left and right around corners by tilting your head. Hopefully I'll be posting another video demonstrating those aspects soon.

It is an expensive bit of kit for the limited number of games that support it, but if I know OFP fans (and I count myself among that group) then you'll be playing ArmA a whole lot more than any other game (I do, and I write about games for a living ).

With that in mind the actual use you get out of a TrackIR relative to the hours you play OFP (or rather ArmA) it's actually good value for money. Buy one! They're ace!

[Dohtar 0]

@Shins

Excellent! Cant wait to see the video. Leaning that way is something that really helps in street fights (which I believe we will see more in ArmA, cause towns seems to be a bit bigger than in OFP). What about vertical movement? I always kinda hated shooting through 1st floor or higher windows in OFP, cause my FOV was either small (people running towards me / under the lower window line), or too much of my body was exposed throught it.

[4 IN 1 0]

if the game turns out to be far more better then we through, maybe buying one of these doesnt sounds that expensive at all

[-DsO- ShapeShifter 0]

ill buy TrackIR tomorrow

[scruffy 22]

Looks nice, however for $180 ArmA should support vector expansion - leaning and vertical movement of upper body (damn usefull for shooting through windows, etc). Looking around itself doesn't justify it's cost for people who don't regulary play fligh or racing sims.

@Dohtar

ArmA does have full vector expansion. You can zoom in by leaning forward and lean left and right around corners by tilting your head. Hopefully I'll be posting another video demonstrating those aspects soon.

It is an expensive bit of kit for the limited number of games that support it, but if I know OFP fans (and I count myself among that group) then you'll be playing ArmA a whole lot more than any other game (I do, and I write about games for a living ).

With that in mind the actual use you get out of a TrackIR relative to the hours you play OFP (or rather ArmA) it's actually good value for money. Buy one! They're ace!

Does this mean you can have a Ravenshield like fluid stance and can choose how far I want to lean? That would be really great. Even "normal" leaning through the TrackIR would be nice, but on the official list on the TrackIR site it doesn't show X and Y axis to be supported.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to that video and I think I'll get one of these things whe ArmA comes out.

[shadow 6]

Does this mean you can have a Ravenshield like fluid stance and can choose how far I want to lean?

No, TrackIR does not controll lean. Think of it as controlling your neck, not your whole upper body.

ArmA doesnt support full Vector (6DOF). It supports normal panning left/right/up/down plus yaw and zoom. It does not support the lean-function which is the only part of Vector it doesnt support.

The fluid stance in Ravenshield adjusts your whole upper body, not just your head.

[Journeyman 0]

Does this mean you can have a Ravenshield like fluid stance and can choose how far I want to lean?

No, TrackIR does not controll lean. Think of it as controlling your neck, not your whole upper body.

ArmA doesnt support full Vector (6DOF). It supports normal panning left/right/up/down plus yaw and zoom. It does not support the lean-function which is the only part of Vector it doesnt support.

The fluid stance in Ravenshield adjusts your whole upper body, not just your head.

Yaw, pitch, roll and zoom.  Check it here (second game down). And on a recent screeny of the new GUI for ArmA it showed the option of assigning 'roll' in Track ir to the lean function in ArmA.

[shadow 6]

Yaw, pitch, roll and zoom.  Check it here (second game down). And on a recent screeny of the new GUI for ArmA it showed the option of assigning 'roll' in Track ir to the lean function in ArmA.

I used that page as reference.

If BIS use YAW as lean left and right they are'nt using the TIR correctly. YAW is not the same as lean.

The X and Y in that table which are not supported by ArmA are the actual lean functions. YAW is the same kind of movement as when you push a flightstick left and right.

But I'm not going to argue. I'll find out soon enough how it works in-game.

[Journeyman 0]

Yaw, pitch, roll and zoom.  Check it here (second game down). And on a recent screeny of the new GUI for ArmA it showed the option of assigning 'roll' in Track ir to the lean function in ArmA.

I used that page as reference.

If BIS use YAW as lean left and right they are'nt using the TIR correctly. YAW is not the same as lean.

The X and Y in that table which are not supported by ArmA are the actual lean functions. YAW is the same kind of movement as when you push a flightstick left and right.

But I'm not going to argue. I'll find out soon enough how it works in-game.

I can't find that screen now but I remember it showing an assignment options screen in ArmA and the there was an option for soldier lean/peek to be assigned to Track ir 'roll'. Roll is same as tilt Shadow, maybe your confusing the different head movements, ...it's confused me enough times!  

[Garcia 0]

yeah, will the Trackir  be more expensive then the game itself?

What about mouse, keyboard, gfx card, monitor, cooling devices, hdd, cpu, well you name it?

TrackIR is just an extra in the list above. I see no money argument. It costs money, but so do all the other things in the list.

Imo it is absolutely brilliant (i would love to see this in combination with ofp:e styled controller interface freeing up the damned keyboard+mouse almost alltogether ... but then again, i'm a console junkie:)

uh, TBH that was crappy examples. Playing OFP without mouse would be hell...it would be more a pain in the ass than fun. Playing OFP without a keyboard would be impossible (unless you had a gamepad or something like that, which would suck for infantry part), playing OFP without a monitor would be quite hard ( ), playing OFP without cooling devices, HDD, CPU, gfx card wouldn't be possible...playing OFP without Track IR would be both fun and possible. The only thing about track IR is that it might make it a bit more fun, but I doubt it's worth 185€...playing OFP on a special made 350 inch screen would probably be fun, but it wouldn't be worth it, and the screen wouldn't be as vital as any of the components you mentioned

[Uziyahu--IDF 0]

Has anyone tried coupling TrackIR with a Fresnel Lens?

If so, what do you think?

[shadow 6]

I don't see why it shouldnt work. You put the TIR infront of the lens anyway. The only thing that might cause issues would be the lens itself, depending on how it is to use when you constantly move your head.

[Journeyman 0]

Has anyone tried coupling TrackIR with a Fresnel Lens?  

If so, what do you think?

It works brilliantly! The only thing you have to do is to move the Track ir to somewhere higher up so that it can see over the top of the lens. I've got shelving at the back of my desk so it went up there! Or you could put it on top of the lens if you constructed a box for the lens.

Flying in FS2004 and IL2 Sturmovik has never been so realistic!  

[maxqubit 1]

yeah, will the Trackir  be more expensive then the game itself?

What about mouse, keyboard, gfx card, monitor, cooling devices, hdd, cpu, well you name it?

TrackIR is just an extra in the list above. I see no money argument. It costs money, but so do all the other things in the list.

Imo it is absolutely brilliant (i would love to see this in combination with ofp:e styled controller interface freeing up the damned keyboard+mouse almost alltogether ... but then again, i'm a console junkie:)

uh, TBH that was crappy examples. Playing OFP without mouse would be hell...it would be more a pain in the ass than fun. Playing OFP without a keyboard would be impossible (unless you had a gamepad or something like that, which would suck for infantry part), playing OFP without a monitor would be quite hard ( :whi: ), playing OFP without cooling devices, HDD, CPU, gfx card wouldn't be possible...playing OFP without Track IR would be both fun and possible. The only thing about track IR is that it might make it a bit more fun, but I doubt it's worth 185€...playing OFP on a special made 350 inch screen would probably be fun, but it wouldn't be worth it, and the screen wouldn't be as vital as any of the components you mentioned

Your arguments are too conservative. Imho OFP is about fun/realistic immersion into war. For me the more immersion, the better the game. TrackIR is a step towards more immersion therefor it can be regarded as just as essential as the other stuff on my list.

And you can get rid of most of the stuff on the list ... you end up with a dvd player and watch a movie:) (or perhaps leave of the techno altogether and end up with a book:) That's why you want a mouse+keyboard and stuff, to be part of that movie ... and that's why i would like to have something like TrackIR, to be even more into the game.

[Garcia 0]

Well, you can get rid of most of the things in a car, and end up with a nice leather chair, but that takes away the meaning with the car, and you've spent damn lot of money on some chairs of course TIR can add fun to the game, but for me 185 euro sounds too much. I don't think the added fun will be worth it, at least not when I've got soooo much I can use that money on instead.

well wtf...my euro thingy doesn't work

€ <---that's supposed to be that euro mark thingy...

[maxqubit 1]

Money doesn't grow on trees with me either:) but if you are more of a 1 game gamer (TrackIR is the same price as 4 games) it can well be worth the investment.

[whisper 0]

Money doesn't grow on trees with me either:) but if you are more of a 1 game gamer (TrackIR is the same price as 4 games) it can well be worth the investment.

Exactly. TIR is really good with flight simulators, so if you play this on top of ArmA, it's worth it

[Garcia 0]

Money doesn't grow on trees with me either:) but if you are more of a 1 game gamer (TrackIR is the same price as 4 games) it can well be worth the investment.

Exactly. TIR is really good with flight simulators, so if you play this on top of ArmA, it's worth it

I don't play flight sims. Actually, I don't play many games with vehicles, except OFP. The games I usually play is OFP, Football Manager, Baldurs Gate II ( ), Heroes and some FPS games. I tend to play the more realistic FPS games, like SWAT. Played CoD2 (but I don't like it as much as I like CoD), so uninstalled it. And as you see, it's mostly FPS (when I feel like having some brainless shooting), tactical games etc...no use for TIR in my type of games really. But of course, if somebody feels like giving me one, feel free to PM me

[messiahua 0]

Written on PC Format Blog:

Quote[/b] ]Hopefully tomorrow we'll post one showing off the lateral leaning and zooming that's possible with the Track IR 4 or Vector expansion pack for Track IR 3.

What's that? Leaning? But arma doesn't support x and y translation and someone said, that leaning is not what tir should do...

[telejunky 0]

But what about the TOP TV vid? Did they used TIR?

[NeMeSiS 11]

Written on PC Format Blog:

Quote[/b] ]Hopefully tomorrow we'll post one showing off the lateral leaning and zooming that's possible with the Track IR 4 or Vector expansion pack for Track IR 3.

What's that? Leaning? But arma doesn't support x and y translation and someone said, that leaning is not what tir should do...

IIRC you lean when you use the iron sights, and try to look left, buti might be wrong

[meyamoti 0]

Written on PC Format Blog:

Quote[/b] ]Hopefully tomorrow we'll post one showing off the lateral leaning and zooming that's possible with the Track IR 4 or Vector expansion pack for Track IR 3.

What's that? Leaning? But arma doesn't support x and y translation and someone said, that leaning is not what tir should do...

Leaning will probably have to be done via keyboard but you can probably still use TrackIR to look around once you are leaning.