martial arts talk

[Balschoiw 0]

There is a place for guys like you  

Anyway DarkLight you have to rethink your attitude towards violence. Seriously, it´s not good to hear that teenagers have fights with that dimensions on a regular base.

Edit: When will someone decide to make addons of the KSK ?

They look extremely cool, check the equipment

[DracoPaladore 0]

Unlike many of my peers, I have (nearly) always been able to avoid causing violence. I've only had to defend myself once, and that was because the agressor was a known drinker. Sure, this is only high school, and it was before the first bell. So none of the teachers knew.

Apparantly, I was the reason for the break up with his girlfriend. I was the same grade, but we were in completly different classes, and the same for his girlfriend. Not only that, I hadn't actually had any relationship with anyone for that entire month(trying to get over last one).

It was quite simple. He was agressor, I was just defending myself. He started pushing until he finally struck me square in the face. Luckily, I pulled my head back abit so he only struck me in the mouth and not the nose. It did cause some bleeding as my rather large canine teeth did cut my lipsfunny story about that, actually.). But meh. I turned then to face him with my left shoulder(my stronger), so that way I didn't give him a chance to hit me in my already upset stomach from the mornings burrito or anything else. He then swung twice with his arms, which left his left knee nice and open. Just moving out of the way, I kicked him in the back of the knee which dropped him to his knee. Without hesitation, I just used my foot to kick him in the back.

It was quite odd, but it did stop him. He was expelled, mainly for being under the influence with the added effect that he started a fight and had a concealed weapon on him(a small pocket knife that he didn't use thank god), and I was saved from any sort of punishment because I have one of the cleanest records in the school, good standings with all of the teachers and witnesses, and the fact that everyone said that I was only defending myself.

[Badgerboy 0]

Has anyone practised Wing Chun? I knew someone who had done it for years, and was pretty good at it. Small thin guy, but could snap anyone in half if needed.

(Wing Chun was used by Shaolin monks to beat the crap out of other Shaolin monks. Yikes! )

[IceFire 0]

You better be careful Darklight, I've known guys who carry knives and pistols and have used them before when in a state of rage.

I don't think your "badboy" fighting style would mean much then.

Like I said earlier, you may be in highschool right now, but you never know who the next guy may turn out to be.

[B-2-0 0]

Bruce Lee studied Wing Chun as a youngster, as well as Chinese Boxing.

You remember the wooden training apperatus he uses with many 'arms'?  That is for Wing Chun training.  The style concentrates on a lot of blocking manouvers and it was from this that 'Tao of Jeet Kune Do' (Way of the intercepting fist), which is based on a system of blocking and striking in one fluid movement, was heavily influenced.

Wing Chun was used a lot in The Matrix fight scenes.

[cozza 24]

Did you know: Bruce Lee had one leg shorter than the other?

Bruce Lee lived on a hill then.

*edit*-Useless garbege

I did Karate for 3 years. i got alot of fighting tactics off that

[DarkLight 0]

Seriously, it´s not good to hear that teenagers have fights with that dimensions on a regular base.

As i said, i don't fight a lot so saying that i fight on a regular base isn't correct.

Quote[/b] ]You better be careful Darklight, I've known guys who carry knives and pistols and have used them before when in a state of rage.

I don't think your "badboy" fighting style would mean much then.

Like I said earlier, you may be in highschool right now, but you never know who the next guy may turn out to b

Actually i'm rather sure my "badboy" fighting style (for your information, i'm not a badboy at all ) wouldn't help a lot. It's not like i fight on the streets everyday against strangers or something like that. When i'm in a fight it's always with people that i know, and i know who caries what around

Don't worry, don't worry, i'll be careful

And once again, i repeat, i don't get involved in a lot of fights, i never said that. Yes, it has happened but it's not like it happens every day or something like that...

[Placebo 29]

I do not think a "my best ever fights" thread is appropriate for this forum. I'll let the thread live a little longer but if it doesn't closely stick to the topic of martial arts then it will be closed.

[Tamme 0]

Actually i'd really like to learn how to fight with sticks and knifes. And i don't mean like grabbing eachother and stuff like that. I mean stick against stick or knife against knife.

I'd love to learn how to fight with weapons like that but sad enough i don't know any organisation that does stuff like that.

Kung Fu has loads of weapons. Or you could try Iaido which is all swords and knives.

[DarkLight 0]

I do not think a "my best ever fights" thread is appropriate for this forum. I'll let the thread live a little longer but if it doesn't closely stick to the topic of martial arts then it will be closed.

The thread is about martial arts, martial arts basically is about fighting. So why can't we discuss fights? Sure it isn't supposed to be the main subject but i don't really see a problem as it is now...

Quote[/b] ]Kung Fu has loads of weapons. Or you could try Iaido which is all swords and knives.

Hmmm i'd love to try something like that...but i kinda doubt that i'll find any of those here

[RED 0]

Has anyone practised Wing Chun? I knew someone who had done it for years, and was pretty good at it. Small thin guy, but could snap anyone in half if needed.

(Wing Chun was used by Shaolin monks to beat the crap out of other Shaolin monks. Yikes! )

I have been learning Wing Tchun kung fu for just over 3 years now. Wing Tchun is the modern style of Wing Chun, takes away some of the less useful bits and adds others. Master Milan Prosenica of Wing Tchun teaches professional fighters (Cro Cop for example uses Wing Tchun footwork, watch his highlights video for some interesting fighting)

I hate fighting on the street, it achieves nothing and is generally boring to watch However I love to sparr with my friends under controlled conditions, it really raises your fitness and strength levels. In class we don't usually sparr hard, though I have come out with bruises and bloody noses more than once. I enjoy training with other martial arts and seeing how well I can do against their style.

It would be interesting if anyone else uses Wing Tchun or Wing Chun.

RED

[Placebo 29]

i don't really see a problem as it is now...

Which perhaps makes clear the reason that you're a forum member not forum moderator.

[DarkLight 0]

i don't really see a problem as it is now...

Which perhaps makes clear the reason that you're a forum member not forum moderator.

I hope you can forgive me

[Ninja_STO 0]

If you are interested in learning a form of martial art weapons, many of the various styles teach use of weapons. While most of these weapons forms are for competition use and for self-discipline and improving strength, concentration, and control, some of the weapons training does have use in real life such as self defense and security. For example, the Tonfa that is used in several Karate styles is almost the same as the PR-24 baton used by police. Many police officers learn the Karate Tonfa skills in order to effectively use their batons to subdue or restrain criminals.

First off I would see if your current style of martial art as some form of weapons instruction that interests you, as staying within your current art is usually easier. If not, then determine first the reason you wish to learn a weapons form. When you can answer this, you will be much better able to determine which style and weapon best suits you.

I have been studying many different weapons for a long time, ranging from swords, staff, knife, bow&arrow (Kyudo), to even shuriken and firearms. The martial arts world is full of weapons instruction of both modern and historic weapons, just depends on what you desire.

[InqWiper 0]

Is it just me or do kids who learn karate think they can kick everyone ass? I think most kickboxers can beat most people who learn karate. If you are a kickboxer you can kick and punch hard and you are good at taking kicks and punches and block. If you are learning karate I think you can only do a few fancy moves with not much power behind unless you are very good at karate.

I trained ju-jutsi for about 2 years and I only used it once, it was not in a real fight. I had been teasing this guys just for fun and told him not to take it seriously because I was only kidding. He ofcourse said he was going to kick my ass and didnt care what I said. He grabbed be around the throat from behind, I took his arm with both hands, pulled it down, turned around and tripped him to the ground(very basic move ), then I repeaded that I didnt want to fight him and that was it.

I have been in more serious fights but I dont feel like going into detail because none of them were really nessesary even if it was other person who started it most times.

I belive martial arts are not useful in real fights unless you are very good at it. If you have been training for only 2-3 years it wont make much of a difference.

[ran 0]

martial arts

enough said

In my opinion, most of the techniques called martial arts aren't really efficient in "fights" or were you have to defend yourself from an aggression.

My experience and skills in this domain are pretty limited, but to my knowledge, techniques covering all the main aspects of hand to hand fighting are quite rare and most of the time followed with a lot of folklore (which is normal considering their origins).

Martial arts should in my opinion only be used in a sportive background and occasionally as self defence if ever some aspects of the technique applies(answers) accordingly to the aggression.

For all the rest, the other applications, you've got a large ammount of different close combat techniques which appeared and evolved throughout the recent decades

Just look at the basic teaching of hand to hand combat in the different armies around the world, and other more "hardcore" techniques such as the Krav Maga or close combat practice of the Spetsnaz.

[BoweryBaker 0]

inq wiper, you have to understand that when you provoke somebody its like turning a stove onto boil. What if i tied you up and made jokes about your personal life n stuff like that? You'd have to listen to it and would eventually feel bad about yourself until you get angry. It naturally makes people angry to hear some guy off the street just making fun of him because he thinks its funny. Yeah that'd make me angry too. You were giving him trouble. In some places if you provoked someone to fight you you are found guilty and not them because you knew he'd get angry. You can't just turn off someones anger by telling them "don't get angry, now here go some jokes about your life". I feel alot of anger towards people who do that to others, especially over the net where they know they can escape the punishment of a face beating for running their mouths off. Where I was raised you couldn't talk trash to anyone without catching a blow, we always had hard feelings no matter who it was. If they even heard off the street that you were running your mouth about them or their family they'd come after you. I used to be just like you but changed into a better man after what i been though and i hope that you become a better man as well or have become one. Anyways no more fight stories but what im trying to say is martial arts teaches respect and part of that is not provoking people to anger.

[ran 0]

Everything bows down to the same basic things in my opinion:

-notions of human anatomy (vital points and areas, articulations breaking point)

-various hits and blows (with your hands and your feet)

-catches and blocking (block somebody after you caught him, you get what I mean)

-dodging and avoiding (blocking or dodging) a blow

[SpecOp9 0]

Well baker you will be happy to know Red Ascendancy will have martial arts animations

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]are quite rare and most of the time followed with a lot of folklore

Haha , on the point. All that jumping and other nonsense...

For sure the most efficient techniques are developed for military, but as I already said those base on a mixture of techniques, even ancient ones.

Mu Sa Do is best example for it. No jumping or "Huh !" "Hah !"´s but effcient method to stop any close combat in a really short time.

[Baphomet 0]

My martial art is called "Shooting a guy in the eyes with pepper spray and hitting him repeatedly with a telescopic baton".

Personally. I think most martial arts have no practical real-life application. I took Kenpo for a while as well as Boxing when I was younger. The boxing was mostly just to get me in shape. Kenpo did teach you some fundamental ideas about what not to do, however a lot of it was just bullshit.

Pretty much the same with Tae Kwon Do as well as various other types of Kung fu and Karate... etc. It's great for tournaments, but when someone's running at you with a baseball bat. 95% of all martial arts practitioners are -not- going to know or have the presence of mind to deal with it effectively. Regardless of how many hours you've practiced kata or sparred in a ring.

Yes you can get good at it. Then again someone could get good enough at Capoeira and kick someone's ass if they trained hard enough. That's not the point however.

I think largely it's an ego thing. I don't care who you are. Unless you're on PCP or something similar, or you have an innate resistance to certain noxious substances such as pepper spray. You're going to be in trouble if you get hit with it.

Personally I don't consider dealing with some idiot who wants to attack me for some reason a matter of ego or honor. It's about stopping the person from doing it and getting on with my life.

I think mostly martial arts are good for keeping fit but aside from that, it's horseshit.

[InqWiper 0]

Quote[/b] ]inq wiper, you have to understand that when you provoke somebody its like turning a stove onto boil. What if i tied you up and made jokes about your personal life n stuff like that? You'd have to listen to it and would eventually feel bad about yourself until you get angry. It naturally makes people angry to hear some guy off the street just making fun of him because he thinks its funny. Yeah that'd make me angry too. You were giving him trouble. In some places if you provoked someone to fight you you are found guilty and not them because you knew he'd get angry. You can't just turn off someones anger by telling them "don't get angry, now here go some jokes about your life". I feel alot of anger towards people who do that to others, especially over the net where they know they can escape the punishment of a face beating for running their mouths off. Where I was raised you couldn't talk trash to anyone without catching a blow, we always had hard feelings no matter who it was. If they even heard off the street that you were running your mouth about them or their family they'd come after you. I used to be just like you but changed into a better man after what i been though and i hope that you become a better man as well or have become one. Anyways no more fight stories but what im trying to say is martial arts teaches respect and part of that is not provoking people to anger.

Jesus christ you are so far off. I did not make fun of some guy on the street who I didnt know. I was just joking with someone at my table in the cafeteria at school, he was a friend of my friends and we were sitting at the table eating and I made a joke or two. It was nothing personal and had no connections to reality. A normal person would just have punched me on the arm and called me asshole and smiled or something. I am not a guy who goes around and makes fun of people.

And that thing you mentioned about people who act tough over the net because they know noone can touch them, I hate that too. I have never provoced someone on the internet because I knew there was nothing they could do to me. Maybe when I am mad at someone on the internet I yell more and use more not so nice words but thats because IRL I wont have to do that. I would control myself IRL and they would realise that I was serious and they would see I was mad. Over the internet people cant see you so they dont realise how you feel unless you really express it, IRL you can hold it back and they understand anyway.

[Scrub 0]

Wow, Denoir.. Ninpo-Ikkan!  Who did you study under?  I started under Shidoshi Hayes in Ohio for my first few years, and then moved over to Richard VanDonk's line of teachers. It's been, (wow, haven't counted lately) 17 yrs since my first seminar. (I'm 35)

As far as martial arts being no good,  Well, you have to have a few things.

First, an end goal. I do mean end, like how far are you willing to take it, and why. Needs to be serious, and balanced.  If you do it for excercise, you might get bored and not progress very far. A benevolent, or just defensive, reason will take you far in the right frame of mind.

Second, a teacher who 'transmits'.. There are those who demonstrate waza well, those who describe techniques well, and then there are those who may do something inbetween, but give something else.  When they are done showing the technique, your body already gets the movement. It's as if they 'gave' you the spirit of the movement.  I've only found 2 in the Bunjinkan in my area that can do this, only one well.

And third, get a style that fits you, don't try to cramp yourself into only what's available.  As much as it is true, "There are no great martial arts, only great martial artists", I have to say that there are exceptions.  Styles that are stuck on tradition (most 'Do' styles) have vulnerabilities because of the lack of adaptation and the rigid structure of engagement.   The groups that try to 'hobcobble' different techniques from different schools, hamstring their students with extreme changes in body positioning and flow (i.e. body movement going from formal Tae-Kwon-Do to Aikido). The styles are nothing alike, even though they may cover inadequacies of both, and cause openings and ineffectual techniques as the practitioner changes mindsets to fit the movement. (had 2 yrs of this type of training before Ninpo, had a feeling something was wrong when the kata was to side kick the attacker and then grab and throw him down into a submission hold.  Even the Sifu eventually had to agree it didn't work at all)

Most are great for personal growth, and you get some fantastic friendships out of it too.

Just my opinion based on my experience.  

[BoweryBaker 0]

what is red ascendancy?

[B-2-0 0]

You guys really think that a martial art isn't useful in you average 'street fight'??

Well, most techniques or moves (mostly from fixed positions) are of little use....but it's not all about technique, strength or moves, it's about control of the mind....lemme explain.

Anyone can become good at martial arts....great for fitness, discipline, attitude etc etc.

For martial arts to have a real effect you need to allow yourself to progress to the level where it's more about state of mind rather than the moves you have learned or the strength you have gained....then it becomes an unformidable tool in everyday conflicts and everyday life itself.

Someone gave the example of a dude running at you with a baseball bat.

Well your average person's instinctive reaction in the heat of the moment, even someone who knows martial arts techniques or moves, would be to move out of the way or just run.

A person with martial arts knowledge who has trained to the extent that they can relieve themselves of all emotion and can empty the mind of all 'unnecesary'(typ?) thoughts will be able to react to the situation with ease and defuse the threat in a matter of seconds.

As a great man once said "Don't think, feel. It's like a finger pointing away to the moon....concentrate on the finger and you miss all that heavenly glory"....

That's what it's all about.  Getting to that higher level of conciousness.  Freeing the mind.

"Empty your mind, be formless. Shapeless, like water. If you put water into a cup, it becomes the cup. You put water into a bottle and it becomes the bottle. You put it in a teapot it becomes the teapot. Now, water can flow or it can crash. Be water my friend." - Bruce Lee