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I see. So why not say so instead of talking in code. The term 'human pwnz0r' doesn't exactly say "People leaving AI behind to spawn into" to me. Well as you (i think) said before, the people who play on Zeus are good enough to not leave AI behind via a gentleman's agreement. We couldn't exactly enforce any kind of policy to combat it. I personally think that it is disadvantageous to leave your squad behind....(ok, your actual time playing the mission may be shorter)....and i would challenge anyone to try and locate then take out me and a squad of AI on their own.

All this talk of 'applying human pwnz0r'....It's hillariously ridiculous....what on earth are you all going on about?? The fact that it is easy for a human to waste a squad of AI? Well aside from having AI skill set to 1 and good command by their human commander (and i believe that with good command an AI squad can be very effective against humans) there is very little that can be done and setting up a 'no human pwnz0r' policy is absolutely ludicrous. You can't tell people how to play their game in that way. The main issue in my opinion, is that because people feel that the AI are not effective enough they leave them behind just so they can respawn into them when they die. This is lame and is what we should be stopping people from doing.

He's here all night ladies and gentlemen. Tell us another one Rho.

Indeed. I dissagree. Rossi is a real prospect and i would much rather see him playing first team football and plying his trade in a Premiership team than warming the bench....if he's lucky....at OT every week as he has Rooney, Saha and Ole ahead of him. I just hope he doesn't get too comfy in that barcode shirt and decides he wants to stay. If he wasn't fit to play, he wouldn't be playing. His performances in pre-season have shown he is still one of the best midfielders there is and i am sure he will be instrumental in this season's challenge. Just because this has been the case in the past, doesn't mean he will get injured again....then again he might....that's football. He got two goals against Norway last week and he got a few in pre-season. Ok he won't play many full games but he has never really done that anyway. Expect him to come on and drag us out of the s**t a few times this season. O'Shea is a good utility player to have. He can play anywhere across the back four as well as just in front of them to break up play which he does pretty well. Have always said he is not United quality though. What a joke!! VDS is only rivaled by Cech in the Premiership and is still the best keeper we have had since The Great Dane. Got a couple of good seasons in him yet. Gary Nev is the best rightback in England by far and if he can reign Ronaldo in and create some nice link-up play with him he will create goals. Again, still a good season or two left. Brazil's Dunga said after the Wales game that Giggs would easily get into the Brazil first team and he is right. Although not as quck on the ball as he was, he is now starting to read the game and move off the ball better and you still get the odd flash of wizardry every now and then. Should get 10+ this season. Scholes, well, as i said, there is still lots to offer from the ginger ninja. People talk about Gerrard and Lampard but Scholes would still put either one of them on the bench in the England squad. With him paired up with Carrick in midfield we have plenty of quality delivery to the front and i predict he will also score at least 10 this season. Did you watch The World Cup?? That was a lesson in how not to play Wayne Rooney. He is NOT an out and out striker!! Rooney likes to come deep to get that little bit of space and run at the defence or launch the thunderbolt. You can't do that with two big centre-backs down your throat. He also causes defenders to track him deep and allow the striker or wingers to move into the space. He has to be given a free role. True, but in the time Ruud was at OT we have been relying far too much on that type of play and IMO it is just not how United play. Think back to the days before Ruud. Pacy, flowing, interchangable football and goals from anywhere....opponents never knew if Giggs was gonna scorch down the left, skin two players, cut across the box and crack it in the top corner....or if Yorke & Cole would pull the ol' one-two-three out of the bag in the box....or if Keano would come screaming in at the edge of the box and power it home....or if Eric would leave two players stood still in midfield before storming to the box and playing it off Choccy before graciously chipping the keeper....'swhati'mtalkin'boutWillis!! Hmm....you have a point there. True to an extent....but there are a lot of factors to look at. It's not as easy as just going and picking the player you want and to be fair, there are not really many quality DM's out there and i would rather United buy nobody at all, and still have some cash left for the January window, than buy somebody just for the sake of plugging the gap. Really not very confident are you? Sure, it's early days, but have some faith!! Like nobody else has made a bad signing?? I think Rooney, Ronaldo, Ruud, Rio, Heinze, Saha, Solskjaer, and VDS make up for it though. How has he lost it?? Because we aren't winning the Premiership season after season anymore?? Get a grip. You can't expect half of what he has done from most of the top managers there has ever been so just because a few other clubs have started to catch up doesn't mean he has lost it. He is past his best, yes....but lost it, no way!! And who do you suggest we replace him with? SAF IS Manchester United and past his best or not, to lose him....especially in this rough patch we are in at present...would be a major blow to the club. You got a quote of SAF talking about playing 'patient football'? I can't seem to find one. It's well documented that we have always played attacking football....even before Fergie....this will never change. We play with a style where we soak up pressure....call it being patient if you like....then we hit opponents on the break with pacy, flowing football with a "if you score 2, we'll score 3" attitude. And we do it for 90 minutes. Compare it to the likes of Liverpool or the Italians you speak of who from what i have seen, put 10 men behind the ball and defend a 1 goal lead and then try and tell me that United play a 'keep ball' game that is behind what the rest of the world is doing. As you can probably tell, i am United through and through. For the record though....I am not, however suprised you may be, one of these United fans that think the team can do no wrong. It's just that some of these statements are not very well thought out, backed up or just completely absurd. Anyway, the banter is all part of the game and it's nice to see a few fellow football fans around here to share it with....most of the guys over at Zeus aren't into it....cretins!! Regards, B

West Ham in Tevez & Mascherano transfer shocker!!! West Ham are tonight putting the finishing touches to the spectacular double signing of Argentinian World Cup stars Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano. The Hammers are trying to complete negotiations to take striker Tevez and midfielder Mascherano on a season-long loan from Brazilian club Corinthians - and from under the noses of Premiership rivals Arsenal, Manchester United, Chelsea and Portsmouth. A West Ham spokesman said: "Things are happening but there are still a few details, such as work-permits, to be tied up and we can say no more until that is resolved." But Tevez issued a statement on his personal website saying that a move to West Ham for himself and his team-mate Mascherano had already been sealed. Corinthians sent a delegation of officials to London on Tuesday to meet with investment group MSI, who own the players' rights, in a bid to negotiate the exit of Tevez, 22, after he signalled his desire to leave the Sao Paulo club following a falling-out with home fans. London-based MSI, who featured in reports of a takeover at Upton Park last season when Å30million was apparently on offer for the recruitment of new players, appear to have decided that Upton Park is the best possible destination for both Tevez and Mascherano - despite the interest of a string of rivals in the Premiership and Europe. West Ham would have to raise upwards of Å15million apiece - plus their huge wage demands - to secure a permanent move for the pair who both played starring roles for Argentina in the World Cup finals in Germany this summer. But a substantial loan deal is an attractive option for the ambitious Hammers who have lost Å7.5million striker Dean Ashton for much of the season with a broken ankle sustained while training with the England squad earlier this month and are also missing winger Matthew Etherington and new Å1million Ghanaian signing John Pantsil with knee injuries. Mascherano's future with Corinthians has been in doubt after he missed training on Tuesday following his sending-off in a match at the weekend. And both players are in London for Argentina's international friendly against Brazil at Arsenal's Emirates Stadium on Sunday. Corinthians president Alberto Dualib has admitted that talks with MSI are likely to clarify the situation of the two stars on Wednesday, with the Argentinian media suggesting that the duo are expected to make their way to England. Former Boca Juniors marksman Tevez has been linked with a number of clubs across the continent ever since it became clear he was desperate to leave Brazil, with Roma, Manchester United, Chelsea, Milan, Bayern Munich, and Real Madrid all believed to hold an interest. Aston Villa were also linked with him following the arrival of new American owner Randy Lerner's millions. And yesterday reports in Argentina suggested Arsenal boss Arsene Wenger was leading the chase for the powerful forward. The duo's agent Adrian Ruocco is believed to be personally involved in negotiations with West Ham to complete the deal before tonight's transfer deadline. Whilst Tevez had been expected to leave Corinthians after staying away from the club for the past week, Mascherano - also 22 - has now also gone AWOL with arguments continuing over his availability for the glamour friendly against Brazil. Corinthians are not keen for the midfielder to travel for the tie, even though he is suspended domestically, and relations between the parties have reached a new low after coach Emerson Leao confirmed Mascherano had skipped training earlier this week.

Just read this on their forums.... Lmao....guess it isn't what it was made out to be....there is no MP mode either i believe.

well during the world cup match against portugal i was watching down the pub, like any self respecting england fan. And its hard to explain, but i woke up the next morning hating ronaldo . best manager in the premiership was steve mclaren, did wonders with middlesborogh, glad hes the england manager. lol....i was supporting England in the World Cup too but without the rose tinted specs that most England fans see their national team through. So you hated Ronaldo for protesting to the ref....which, i might add, ANY other player would have done and i'm sure Rooney would have done the same for Ronaldo if the boot was on the other foot....but you love Rooney who's foolish antics got himself sent off in the first place?? Typical England fan. Makes about as much sense as Steve McClaren (who learned his trade under Sir Alex btw) being the best Premiership manager Trezeguet is staying a Juve. We offered Å17m and Juve refused. I'm glad, he would be a bad buy imo and at Å17m would be a disgrace seeing as we only got Å10.3m off Real for RVN. I don't think Trezeguet has what it takes to play in the Premiership and wouldn't suit our style of play. He doesn't have the pace and he's getting on a bit now ain't he? No thanx.

What is the point of having an exact (if somewhat less talented) copy of Wayne Rooney? Injuries are one thing, but wasting money on what could have been Rooney's brother is not going to solve anything. Someone with some height that can hang onto the ball and support the midfielders and wingers seems like a higher priority to me... Chelsea is probably going to win, they can form 4 squads that are easily capable of winning the league. Injuries don't really matter to them, if someone is out of form, they just take someone from their reservepool of over 50 players... Tevez is not a carbon copy of Rooney at all. Sure, he is not an out and out striker like Ruud, which is what we really need with Roo playing off him, but they would still work well together as Tevez plays a wider game than Rooney, likes to drift left a lot....kinda like Henry's style. Plus, the type of free flowing, interchangable football we are starting to play at the moment would accomodate two strikers playing off eachother. And if nothing else, it gives us another world class forward....of which we have only one at the moment. We seem to think Rooney is invincible and as your comment about Chelski explains, strength in depth helps. Saying that though, you can have all the top class players you want....if they don't play well together then they ain't worth jack....and rotating the squad every week to accomodate all those big egos won't help them to gel. Why is that? SAF is one of the greatest managers of all time. Manchester United are the most succesfull English club in the last 20 or so years. Ronaldo is without doubt one of the best natural tallents in the Premiership and still only 20. Anyone with an unbiased eye for the game can see this. Do i detect a little jealousy there fellas? Nobody likes a bitter hater True, but our fans are nowhere near as bad as some now. In fact, we are now labeled as some of the best in the world.

Yeah, an excellent start compared to our usual, early season form. If i am totally honest, i....and most United fans....have had some major concerns over the last few months....what with Ruud leaving, the whole Rooney & Ronaldo issue, not winning anything major last season and us not looking like resolving our midfield problems. Then you have Chelski buying their success and Liverpool have made some good moves in the transfer market and look a strong side....but things are looking good at the moment. Carrick was a good buy, if a little expensive. Ronaldo looks better than ever and he really thrives on the boos he gets from the other fans. Scholes and Solskjaer are back and the lads look really up for it this season. Hopefully we will get another signing in before the deadline. Tevez is looking like a strong possibility. I would be very suprised if Liverpool won the league though. It takes much more than just having a good squad to win the Premiership. They will be up there but it will be either us or Chelski.

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Heh....Placebo stuck a sly thumb in the eye of BF2 there

I know....got a warning for it too. Meh....i ain't got a clue what the addons are. The pic is over a year old....found it in the Zeus forum.

Sorry Jinef. I had to go for fantasy football because i couldn't find a fantasy politics game.

If anyone is interested i have just set up a Zeus fantasy football league on the Premier League website and as there aren't a great deal of football fans at Zeus i'll extend the offer over here. All details can be found here If you are going to post on the Zeus forum and aren't already registered, please register first so we know who you are. You can be in upto 10 leagues i think so even if you want to set up your own private league, join us too. Regards, B