Us rangers balance pack by orcs

[flaber 0]

One question for TigerShark, and all modmaker in general, i'm with you about asking for permision to the authors, but what we have to do when we are waiting for an answer from the authors, one week after another, and we don't have the answer after sent the emails.

We should not release the addon, or release it giving proper credits?

It's just a question, no critics

[ExtracTioN 0]

From their readme file

DISCLAIMER

THIS IS NOT THE OFFICIAL ADDON BLAH BLAH! Well you probably know all this stuff anyway so there's no reason for me to repeat it all over again. Should your house burn down - you're the only one to blame.

This addon is SHAREWARE. Files included cannot be altered or changed in any way. If you want to use something from this addon, contact yours truly for written permission.

They use everything from other authors without permission and if anyone else want to use some textures or otherthings they must ask them permission

Now that is some bullshit ffs you use work from various people without asking permission that is some lame shit

Dont understand you people you smoked crack guys(OCR)

[theavonlady 2]

One question for TigerShark, and all modmaker in general, i'm with you about asking for permision to the authors, but what we have to do when we are waiting for an answer from the authors, one week after another, and we don't have the answer after sent the emails.

We should not release the addon, or release it giving proper credits?

It's just a question, no critics

I would note that in the readme. Just say something like "requested permission but no reply was received after nnn weeks of waiting".

[MLF 0]

can we all just drop it, i see this turning into a flame fest.

[CanadianTerror 0]

People, behave yourselves.

The game becomes nonfun when this happens everytime.

I agree that there should have been emails sent in advance asking permissions but dont turn this into a mudslinging flamefest.

[dm 9]

It doesnt matte what anyone thinks, as each side will try and turn it to favour themselves.

Fighter, you've also gleaned over and missed the more obvious bits, like the gloves, floppy hats, ranger patches etc. And you've done that because you KNOW that they are the "incriminating" bits of "evidence."

Either way, whats doen is done. And what could have stopped all this? 1 simple email, just 2 mins to send an email, doesnt matter if its asking us if you can use our stuff, or informing us that you have something planned, and you might want to use our stuff. ALL they had to do was send 1 simple email. Now ORCS has a "history" of doing this kind of thing, its tarnished their reputation. Sad, but true.

@Fighter, you obviously dont read the readme's enough:

Quote[/b] ]Addon Name: MH-47E Chinook (for OFP v. 1.85+)

Version: 1.1

By: Ballistic Addon Studios (http://www.concept-5.com/ballistic)

OFP Ed Center Code: BAS

DESIGN TEAM

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Original Model: © 2000 Bohemia Interactive Studio

Also, we are one of, if not the ONLY addon team who has all the BIS 3rd party tools on our site. Go figure...

[laulau 0]

funny....when i saw the release of this pack on ofp.cz, i was sure that such discussion would happen on the official forum.

You don't want other people use your addons, well, binarize everything or keep it for yourself. Everybody can see the credits in the readme so the community can know what was just took from other addons and what was made by ORCS.

I usually don't post in such threads where people are complaining about someone stealing something from their addons. but now, i 'm really getting upset. It's like that some addon makers want to have the same control on their addons than BIS on the content of the game.

Do you hear some mission makers complaining because someone made modifications in their missions??? do you hear scripters complaining because someone modified their scripts to fit perfectly to their needs? I never saw such things. Such troubles are always created by addon makers.

So please, complain by PM and not on the forum.

an other fucked up thread........

[GoOB 0]

funny....when i saw the release of this pack on ofp.cz, i was sure that such discussion would happen on the official forum.

You don't want other people use your addons, well, binarize everything or keep it for yourself.

That's not the whole point, from what I understand BAS works for inter-mod-cooperation/inter-modmaker-cooperation and not the other way around.

That said this addons is really fun to play around with. Good job!

[Guest]

Also, we are one of, if not the ONLY addon team who has all the BIS 3rd party tools on our site. Go figure...

What's a BIS 3rd party tool?

[reconmercs 0]

I'm sick of hearing people bitch too...GET THE FU#K over it..this gaming community is the unfriendly gaming community I've ever seen..oh it's all good until someone releases work or a mod that may be better than someone else then it's "oh they stole it...no one is as cool as us..they stole it" get over it....

[dm 9]

Also, we are one of, if not the ONLY addon team who has all the BIS 3rd party tools on our site. Go figure...

What's a BIS 3rd party tool?  

Its a BIS tool that 3rd party users use to make addons

[Ironsight 1]

Also, we are one of, if not the ONLY addon team who has all the BIS 3rd party tools on our site. Go figure...

What's a BIS 3rd party tool?  

Leone, you know what he means

BTW quit discussing about it, it is just a matter of respect asking people to you use their textures. One PM and there would be no discussion

[dm 9]

I'm sick of hearing people bitch too...GET THE FU#K over it..this gaming community is the unfriendly gaming community I've ever seen..oh it's all good until someone releases work or a mod that may be better than someone else then it's "oh they stole it...no one is as cool as us..they stole it" get over it....

*cough* remember a thread I started a little while back? *cough*

This is EXACTLY the sort of thing I was on about. Its not a case of "oh no they might be better than us" but one of "oh look, the hat, gloves, camelbak, and butpack our ours... I don't remember anyone asking if they could use it..."

[Guest]

Also, we are one of, if not the ONLY addon team who has all the BIS 3rd party tools on our site. Go figure...

What's a BIS 3rd party tool?  

Leone, you know what he means  

Actually I didn't, but I'll blame it on my lack of sleep

[Ironsight 1]

Also, we are one of, if not the ONLY addon team who has all the BIS 3rd party tools on our site. Go figure...

What's a BIS 3rd party tool?  

Leone, you know what he means  

Actually I didn't, but I'll blame it on my lack of sleep  

Working hard on OFPGWC mod Leone?

PS: Excuse my curiosity but is there already a release date set?

[CanadianTerror 0]

@reconmercs

Quote[/b] ]this gaming community is the unfriendly gaming community I've ever seen

Quote[/b] ]GET THE FU#K over it..

How can you say both of those in the same post?

[reconmercs 0]

well, in this board it seems to be the norm...I just wish people would congradulate people on jobs well done and leave it at that...no, they have to accuse them...it just annoys me alittle..maybe the F#ck comment was alittle over the top..but have u seen other forums for other gaming communities...people are nice there and they respect each other..it seems like everytime I come here..some else is arguing or accusing someone..it's just a GAME...sorry if I flipped out alittle earlier...lol

[Laser 0]

To cut that bullshit... sorry for a dirty word... can't help it...

I hereby state that BDU, RACK and SPEAR body armor textures are made by me and I CAN PROVE IT. I have spent HOURS (if not days) to handpaint these patterns and even more time to map'em onto the models and now you are really bringing me down, people.

I have all the .TGA files drawn (note the word "drawn", not "edited") in Photoshop, all of them are untouched by PAA compression if someone would want to see them.

Mag pouch and boot textures are taken from Ghost Recon game (for which Red Storm Ent. got their credit) and the MICH helmet was made using photos from WWW.SPECWARGEAR.COM website (they also had the credits given).

The textures i've borrowed from BAS are Camelback, buttpack, gloves and a boonie hat. I thought that line in the readme file for that was enough, since the newspost (which was quite a while back, at the time BAS was residing at concept-5.com) at BAS site said that addonmakers should not bother with e-mails asking for permission. Instead they should state in the readme file what was taken from BAS. Prove me wrong if I'm missing something.

And Mr. Tigershark... I hate to say that... I thought you were more reasonable person. Was it possible to resolve that question without bringing it out for the public? I think the answer is "yes". Instead you preferred to bring me down completely before the entire OFP community. Did you ever happen to think that someone can make something as good as BAS? I say again, I'd hate to say that.

I think that I've deserved an apology, haven't I?

P.S. BTW, I recall a post about our VDV 1.5 pack where people agreed that readme credits are enough... anyone wants to comment this?

P.P.S. Sorry if I have offended someone. I'm not in a good mood, as you can plainly figure.

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

Topic temporarily closed. Will be opened shortly again.

[Placebo 29]

Okies time to open this, we moderators have been discussing it, firstly we cannot set any rule that people must ask permission to use somebody else's work, personally I wish we could because it seems to me a standard level of courtesy, however that is a matter external from the forums and therefore outside our jurisdiction and influence.

We also cannot say that people should not discuss on the forums ownership of "stolen(borrowed)" textures and addons and mods etc. We can and will however strongly suggest that such discussions be dealt with away from the forums, that way it protects the reputation of both parties involved, as well as stopping it from becoming an issue to divide the community, which I'm sure everyone agrees is something we should do our utmost to avoid.

If someone posts a stolen(borrowed) addon saying "look at this great addon I made", the person who it was stolen(borrowed) from has the right to be able to say in public "hey wait a minute you stole(borrowed) this from me", else the public gives the wrong guy the credit and when credit is the only reward that's not fair, however it would always be best if the person is contacted by the real creator in private, then try to resolve it in an amicable way, such as the person then edits their post and adds something along the lines of "I'm sorry I forgot to mention that the helmet textures were in fact the great work of <insert name here>", then the thread can continue on its merry way with very little harm done.

The way things were dealt with in this thread were I believe handled a little unwisely, however no rules were broken, a couple of posts (not by the two main parties involved I hasten to add) were verging on flaming/flame baiting, however on this occasion there is no need for action I would simply advise caution before sending a post to make sure you haven't stepped over the line when discussing contentious issues

Any questions comments please PM myself or another moderator, beyond that try to either get this thread back on topic with discussions of the addon in question, or let it die its natural death

[Pappy Boyington 0]

@reconmercs

the correct statement is "if you dont like it, cry a river, build a bridge, and get the fuck over it"  

i here by copyright that saying. noone is allowed to say it without express writen consent from me   lol

my opinion on this. is give credit where credit is due. honeslty. check ofp.info. whats the #1 need in mods? a texture maker. textures are hard to come by. if theres a texture out there that fits your needs. rather then have 9000 ppl spaming your email going "when are you gonna release them" and then 80,000 more going "what do u mean u cant release them omg u scamer u liar u cheater" i think if u use someones textures. u should ask first. but if u dont (and im not condoning this) give the athor credits. thats all.

if i made an addon. if i put in some 10 years on marfy like textures. and someone else made a decent looking model and used my say camo textures for a soldier. would i be upset they didnt ask? perhaps. if i download it and look at the readme and it says "thanks to Pappy Boyington for his camo textures" id be happy. and glad that someone else was able to use my work. id be happy and id get over it. giving credit is most important of all.

[ebud 18]

Laser. Why not just use the Ghost recon textures? You used them elsewhere and they are better than the current BAS textures? I think it would also have helped create a more unified look for the units.

Just my opinion. I think that if you just use the GR textures for it all it will make them look much tighter.

[CanadianTerror 0]

Ok, back on topic for a sec.

Are those the same helmets from a prior Laser Russian pack?

And arent those GR texed boots used mostly on East units(as in they arent what the Rangers use?)

[akm74 1]

Strange, what happen to OFP community?  Check the topics for last year. We have add-on announcement, then 80% of follow posts was about this add-on, and 20% about it real Life prototype…. And what happen now?

70% of the following post about “who give credit to whomâ€. Is it something wrong with us?

Ironically, more then half of the peoples talking about credits, don’t related to original add-on maker at all. They act like free layers….

I am doing add-ons for fun and for community. If someone take my add-on and change it or improve it, I will be happy (personally, I don’t need any credits at all) If peoples will like it, they will download and play it, if not, well, then don’t download it.

If someone use part of your texture/model (after all we all use 90% of BIS work, we just trying to improve it, when we can)  it only show then you did a great job. Is this not a best REAL credit you can get?  Instead of small line in readme file (which no one read anyway)

[Placebo 29]

Instead of discussing “stolen part of nails texturesâ€. Better go much deeper. Ask add-on makers to give credits to original gun makers. For example to made M16 or AK47, we have to give credits to engineers who made it. You can go even deeper, and ask about credits to every worker who was involved in productions (by names). Same apply to all Tanks/Aps’s/ Helos.

Enough already, do not take this further into the realms of pedantic debate please.