Nogovan Armed Forces Project

[Supah 0]

Note that the model is FDF's as are various other textures The main part how ever has been retextured.

[stevevcb 3]

Looks spot on!

[ozanzac 0]

In that case then your final roundel is the smart choice. That will be the camo, yes? I love it!

[Supah 0]

Thanks for the compliments. This will be the final colourscheme if i get permission for the MiG-21. Other Aircraft might get different colourscheme's though i will attempt to maintain "unity" in them so that it doesnt end up looking like a rag tag bunch of aircraft

[ralphwiggum 6]

http://supah.chaotic.nl/nogova212.jpg

Note that the model is FDF's as are various other textures The main part how ever has been retextured.

am i the only one thinking that green circle gives away where enemy fighters are supposed to aim at?

[Imshi-Yallah 0]

While I'm intrigued by the idea I think if you're being realistic and I'm looking at real world examples here I think a country in Nogovas military and political state would not have maintained an independent air arm prior to independence, therefore taking it for granted that the good people of Nogova haven't got a deep trust of Russia and Ukraine the purchase of MiG or Sukhoi aircraft is somewhat unlikely.

In one campaign I have sitting on the shelf I found a perfectly realistic "modern" Nogovan army, the 1985 American troops equipped with Jeeps 5tons, M60A3s and M113s, plus a handful of light helicopters.

An airforce in this scenario would either purhcase or be donated more light aircraft (Cessna Skymasters and or Caravans are a very good idea whoever suggested them), and some trainers along the Lines of the PC-9 (probably only one or two, maybe up to 7), if US military aid was still forthcoming then some Bell 205s and AH-1Fs might be present (less than half a dozen).

If fast jets were operated they would be old but no on would buy Mig-17s, the few that remain in service were bough tin the 60s when they were only obsolete by 10 years, Chinese MiG-21s or US sponsored F-5s would be the low cost low maintenance fighter of choice for a country in Nogovas position, but only around 6-10 could realistically be supported.

Another option would be Alpha Jets or other armed trainers.

Good luck, and PM me if you want a list of some of the real world forces I'm basing this on and their ORBATS.

[The Frenchman 0]

Well lets see. In Resistance we learn that Nogova only has a Militia. But if it were to have an army, it might look like this:

Men:

200 Regulars(armed with Eastern bloc weapons)

400 Conscripts

100 Reserves

Armor:

10 T72

14 T55

4 rusty BMP

6 BTR-80

Airforce:

15 Mig 17

6 Su25

8 F-5

Navy:

Several small patrol boats

2 larger patrol boats

[Lenin 0]

Well lets see. In Resistance we learn that Nogova only has a Militia. But if it were to have an army, it might look like this:

Men:

200 Regulars(armed with Eastern bloc weapons)

400 Conscripts

100 Reserves

Armor:

10 T72

14 T55

4 rusty BMP

6 BTR-80

Airforce:

15 Mig 17

6 Su25

8 F-5

Navy:

Several small patrol boats

2 larger patrol boats

Maby some choppers?

2 Mi-24 or Mi-8 (-17)

2-3 Mi-2

Sorry, what are Conscripts??

[reconmercs 0]

Sorry, what are Conscripts??

it's just another term for draftees. on the whole nogova military thing I think it's a great idea..it would help breath more life back into the game...I love all these new addons coming out over the holiday but theres barely any missions for them especially the GREAT marpat pack...pity..I've started on some missions using some of the newly released stuff hopefully more users will too for a nogova airforce I would agree with keeping it old school...mig 21s and 17s two aircraft we have that would just need retexturing..I guess 23's and 27's would be ok too I'm sure footmunch would love to see his hard work used for SOMETHING...

[The Frenchman 0]

And artillery wise, I think Nogova would have WW2 era pieces. I read the book Red Storm Rising and it said that during the 80's, the Soviet Union still had WW2 artillery ready for use.

[EiZei 0]

While I'm intrigued by the idea I think if you're being realistic and I'm looking at real world examples here I think a country in Nogovas military and political state would not have maintained an independent air arm prior to independence, therefore taking it for granted that the good people of Nogova haven't got a deep trust of Russia and Ukraine the purchase of MiG or Sukhoi aircraft is somewhat unlikely.

Well, we were preparing for a war against the soviets for almost 40 years and during that period we didnt fly a single NATO aircraft, some neutral countries kept buying eastern bloc hardware to keep their relations warm with the ruskies, no way Nogova would have jumped on the soviet toes if they werent a full member of NATO (and since WW3 did not break out Nogova was not a member of NATO, at least back then).

And BTR-80 sounds too modern IMHO, BTR-50/60 would sound more appropriate.

[sniperuk02 0]

i think this would be a good airforce

CAS:

cessna strikemaster

cessna skymaster

hawker hunter

mig 27

Bucaner

Air surpirority(?):

mig 21

mig 23

f 5

Transport:

cessna caravan

shorts skyvan

L 410 turbolet

Helicopters:

mi 8

mi 17

mi 24

mi 2

bell 206

uh1

maritime:

cessna caravan

L 410 turbolet

Reccon:

EE canbera

[sniperuk02 0]

maybe even a mig17 and drakken thrown in

but thats my idea

[Milkman 1]

Are we just talking Airforce right now? Because I would to see a complete mod for the NDF (Nogovan Defence Force) or whatever it is decided the name of the army should be. It might be a good idea to include Everon in the mix. All they would have different would be the roundels and markings and would probably share weapons and armor. Malden would not need an army, since it is under NATO protection right?

[the_shadow 0]

as the swede i am i certenly wouldnt mind to give the Nogovians some drakens (draken is the dragon in english btw) ;)

and maybe even a couple of J29 Tunnan (barrel)

a plane of the same era as the Mig 17 and F86 Sabre (looks quite similar to the Mig 17)

[Imshi-Yallah 0]

Quote[/b] ]Well, we were preparing for a war against the soviets for almost 40 years and during that period we didnt fly a single NATO aircraft, some neutral countries kept buying eastern bloc hardware to keep their relations warm with the ruskies, no way Nogova would have jumped on the soviet toes if they werent a full member of NATO (and since WW3 did not break out Nogova was not a member of NATO, at least back then).

And BTR-80 sounds too modern IMHO, BTR-50/60 would sound more appropriate.

Sorry I was working on the basis of a post insurgency to modernity scenario, as I said I doubt the USSR would have left any aircraft in a nation so small.

My post was made on the basis of a post Troska Nogova, which would most definitely be in the American Sphere of Influence.

Look at the examples of Estonia, Latvia and other Nogova-like states they all use large quantities of hand me down or surplus US equipment, including uniforms and personal equipment.

As to the size of a proposed NDF, we'd need to know roughly the population size of Nogova, however we can rule out large fighter forces since the Island couldnt possibly cater for a population of much over a million.

On the other hand, a battalion or brigade strength army isnt going to deter anyone, in fact given the proximity of the traditional "main enemy" and its size, a system of universal national service is likely to be in place.

This would place the active (i.e. Full time and serving conscripts) military personnell required at around an eighth of total population.

If we look at it in terms of logisitics and realistic strategic aims, this would mean a highly mobile force with a functioning early warning sytem; if jets where to be employed they would have to be of an extremely robust nature from a storage and maintenance point of view.

Add to this the huge logistical tail involved in operating jet aircraft (more so on some of the types mentioned than modern designs like the F-16), it would suggest a very very limited jet capability since the Nogovans could not match the Russian or any other serious AF in air combat or attrition and a larger jet force would be kept on the ground by the lack of maintenance hours etc.

To defend against this kind of threat the best response is evasion and lateral thinking, this would depend on affordable low maintenance early warning systems like maritime and border patrol flights, which could well include some jets in the latter role, but probably Trainers (like the Excellent FDF mod Hawk).

Beyond that army co-operation would be the main function of any small air arm, therefore observation and resupply by both fixed and rotary wing aircraft (i.e. Cessna Caravan, Bell 206, Robinson R.44) would be required, effective fire support is cheaper on rotary wing aircraft), troop transport and casualty evacuation require medium lift helicopters (elderly ex-ANG AH-1s and UH-1s are being offered to poorer allies as we speak).

Then a fast VIP transport would be required for getting the government out in times of trouble.

The remainder of AF strength would be taken up in, Technician personnel, Airbase security, Logistics, Comms and ATC personnel.

Personally I think a pack like this would be a much faster and and interesting addition to OFP.

Orbat:

NDFAF:

1. Ops wing

N01. Ops Sqn:

7x Cessna 172 (Army Co-op, pilot training)

4x Cessna 408/Skymaster (Utility, Army Co-op)

2.Ops Sqn.

1x King Air 200 or DC-3 (Maritime patrol,Photo recce, Utility)

1x Gulfstream IV business jet (VIP transport)

Police aircraft.

3.Support Sqn.

130x Ground and security personnel, patrol vehicles, trucks and support vehicles (including agricultural tractor for towing).

2. Ops wing:

4. Ops Sqn.

4x MD.500 (pilot training, observation, army co-op)

3x Bell 206 (Casevac, VIP transport)

5. Ops Sqn.

6x UH-1H

2x AH-1F

6. Suppt Sqn.130x Ground and security personnel, patrol vehicles, trucks and support vehicles (including agricultural tractor for towing).

No 3. Ops Wing:

1. Fighter Sqn

4x Hawk (Advanced training, CAS, CAP)

2. Fighter Sqn.

2x Hawk

4x YAk-52/PC-7 (Intermediate trainer, Army co-op, comms relay, recconaisance, border patrol).

7.Suppt Sqn.

200x Technicians, emergency and logs vehicles, Tractors.

[sniperuk02 0]

go nogova defence force

[Stag 0]

If you look to the real world for comparisons, there's no way a place the size of Nogova could maintain thoroughbred warplanes; even dedicated gunships like the Mi24 would be stretching it.

Take Madagascar as an example: In the late 70's their front line fighter was the Mig17 (eight of them). The rest of the airforce consisted of transport and survey platforms, with 1 Britten-Norman Defender for COIN.

Granted Madagascar doesn't have the trouble Nogova has, but even so, think about it; any airforce that Nogova could possibly support wouldn't last 5 minutes against any enemy with the capability to invade.

Better to invest a limited defense budget into weapons Nogova can maintain. Once the enemy have landed, MANPADS would be enough to make the stay uncomfortable. Perhaps a couple of gunships in dispersed positions to add leverage when needed.

Of course, you could just say "Bugger reality" and bung in whatever you want for gameplay.

[blackdog~ 0]

Keep in mind that Nogova only has lets see... I think 9 aircraft hangars.

[supersheep 0]

I like the sound of Imshi-Yallah's, but i think it's too big. I doubt that the whole island of Nogova could support more than ten thousand people as it is in-game, and that's pushing it (from what I remember). So the biggest an active-duty army could sensibly be is about a thousand, and that's probably only in times of emergency. And most of that would have to go on the army. If we're talking island chain, with Everon Malden and Kolgujev, maybe we could up the population to thirty thousand, so three to four thousand soldiers. Which makes Imshi's still a bit big, but not too much. It's possible to have an airforce that big, but how is Nogova gonna pay for it? I'd say they're only gonna have maybe four Hawks or similar for fighting, a maritime patrol aircraft, a few light aircraft like Cessnas for liaision and a helicopter or two for SAR. So cut one of the fighter wings, the government jet (they can use the maritime patrol thing) and one of the helicoopter squadrons is my idea. It still leaves you with a very air force oriented military though. I'm not sure, you might need to cut it down a lot more.

[bmgarcangel 0]

Nogova was pretty small island ya know. Wouldnt you guys say military wise it wouldnt have as much as must of us think or else 1/4 of there popullation would be enlisted

[CanadianTerror 0]

Wouldn't anything on Nogova be based on what the Czech army uses(which includeds Russian aircraft) as opposed to anything western?

[Imshi-Yallah 0]

Keep in mind that Nogova only has lets see... I think 9 aircraft hangars.

Correction HAD 9 aircraft hangars, a hangar building addon is no big deal.

Quote[/b] ]If you look to the real world for comparisons, there's no way a place the size of Nogova could maintain thoroughbred warplanes; even dedicated gunships like the Mi24 would be stretching it.

Cyprus Air National guard,(2003)(Defense against Turkey)

2x PC-9, 1x BN-2B (Beechcraft style aircraft for utility or maritime patrol)

4x SA 342L (Gazelle)

2x MD500

3x Bell 206L

2x Mi-35

2x Kania.

El Salvador: (counter insurgency)

8x A-37B (Jet powered CAS aircraft)

13x O-2A

4x AC-47 (Puff the magic dragon, grandaddy of the AC-130)

7x T-41 (Cessna 2 seater)

1x IAI-201 (STOL utility transport)

1x DC-6 (Ditto)

4x C-47 Turbo

8x T-35B (Trainer aircraft in same class as the Yak-52, SF260 or Bulldog)

4x T-34 (older US made trainer)

7x MD500

27x UH-1H/N

1x Merlin IIIB

5x Ralleye 235.

Eritrean Air force:

5x Mig 29

5x MB-339FD (Italian advanced trainer contemporary to Hawk 127)

4x Y-12 (Stol utility plane)

1x Mi-35

4x Mi-17

2x Mi-8

1x Do 228 (transport, seats around 35 passengers, probably used for VIP role)

I can give more examples of very small countries airforces if you want.

I'd be quite keen to be part a NDF mod based on a western alligned post cold war Nogova, but I think the idea of Eastern equipment will just duplicate the FIA mod.

[-SOC-S--Griffon26-2lt- 0]

well we have Hawk armed trainers, MD-500's with Tow missles

F-5's and F-20's you just have to look at the make up ..and revenue of the country ...lets not forget ..per capita.

Quatar has the worlds most powerful airforce ....

[blackdog~ 0]

I remember in the CWC campaign that they said there were ten thousand people in a town on Everon :]