Want 12 mbit/s ? move to japan

[Milkman 1]

@ mr. Duck: I pay about $30 american a month I believe.

I am trying to switch to DSL, but there is no service to my house, I am about 400m away from the line.

[Black Knight 0]

@ mr. Duck: I pay about $30 american a month I believe.  

I am trying to switch to DSL, but there is no service to my house, I am about 400m away from the line.  

sounds like you need to do a little spec ops mission at night.  (bring a very long wire with you)

Anyways i noticed my connection getting slower each day. This is really pissing me off since i play a lot of MP. It's supposed to be 1.5 Mbps download; 192 kbps upload but it doesn't seem like it  

[hellfish6 7]

Well a large part of the problem in much of the world is that only 15% of the demand for fiber-optic cable is layed every year. That's miniscule. Most people still have to connect via phone lines. Japan and Korea had the benefit of starting later than most of the Western countries in regards to the internet, and so had more of the infrastructure in place to handle so much broadband access. I mean, the fastest you could get in the smallish town (10,000 residents, 20,000 students) that I went to college in was 200k DSL, and only in certain parts of the town. They probably won't have access to anything more for about 5 more years because the deregulation of the phone companies, and associated monopolies have created a competition-free environment in the US.

[ale2999 0]

I want to cry.... Here in canada is better than the US get 1.5 mbps adsl for 35 bucks a month. 2.5 is 45 and so on. The maximum speed achievable here in canada through adsl is only 8 mbps, how is that there is some places where they can get 26 mbps dl with adsl? Do they use different type of equipment? Is there distance requirments also with the 26 mbps adsl?

[Necromancer- 0]

Japan?   Move to Sweden. I have a 100 Mbit/s line and I pay 20 €/month.

Quote[/b] ]Softbank, in Japan, has built a gigabit ethernet network to replace DSL over ATM, which costs peanuts to maintain and run

Gigabit net?   The basement of my building is hooked up by optical fiber to the base net that is 1,6 terrabit.

If your building isn't connected by optical, you can always get a 21 Mbit/s ADSL. That runs parallel over the phone and you can get it anywhere in Sweden. I think the cost is something like 25 €/month.

omfg.

<span id='ME'><center>Necromancer- drools</center></span>

[Pukko 0]

I want to cry.... Here in canada is better than the US get 1.5 mbps adsl for 35 bucks a month. 2.5 is 45 and so on. The maximum speed achievable here in canada through adsl is only 8 mbps, how is that there is some places where they can get 26 mbps dl with adsl? Do they use different type of equipment? Is there distance requirments also with the 26 mbps adsl?

There is a distance limit on Bostream's "Scream" that denoir talks about. One only get 26 mbps if closer than 300 meters (from telestation), and up to 1000 meters one can get 13 mbps.

I currently got Bostream "xstream", ADSL with fixed IP, 2,5 mbps down and 0.75 mbps up for ~40€. Everyone in small towns and up can get this connection in Sweden.

I'm going to downgrade soon (as I move some kilometers) to Comhem 0.5 mbps broadband for ~30€. Thats also something most swedes can have.

I dont think very many percentages of Swedish people can get 100 mbps, yet  

[joltan 0]

Damn, I just switched to a 1.5mbit/192kbit line, and I'm paying more than 100€ for this... I'm 500m from the main telecomunications centre of the town, and this is the best I can get (without volume or time limits and at a 'reasonable price'). There's a cheaper service offering 2mbit/256kbit for less (about 80€), but they have worse contract conditions (no shared connections, etc.).

[Tamme 0]

Later, when I finish college, if not then I'll move to the U.S. or another country. I'll imigrate anyway.  

If you're going to move to Japan, you'd better study the culture. It's a weird country. Showing your armpit to someone is the same as giving him the finger, sneezing is as rude as farting, you can buy underwear and booze from coke machine kinda thingys, old grannies reading porn magazines in public, and many many other things.

I've always wanted to visit Japan though. It just costs too much.

[mr. Duck 0]

Later, when I finish college, if not then I'll move to the U.S. or another country. I'll imigrate anyway.  

If you're going to move to Japan, you'd better study the culture. It's a weird country. Showing your armpit to someone is the same as giving him the finger, sneezing is as rude as farting, you can buy underwear and booze from coke machine kinda thingys, old grannies reading porn magazines in public, and many many other things.

I've always wanted to visit Japan though. It just costs too much.

I know , I've already made a start.

[Tigershark_BAS 0]

Later, when I finish college, if not then I'll move to the U.S. or another country. I'll imigrate anyway.  

If you're going to move to Japan, you'd better study the culture. It's a weird country. Showing your armpit to someone is the same as giving him the finger, sneezing is as rude as farting, you can buy underwear and booze from coke machine kinda thingys, old grannies reading porn magazines in public, and many many other things.

I've always wanted to visit Japan though. It just costs too much.

*sighs*

Another victim of mass media singling out small anomalies and making them bigger than they appear.

Anyway, yes...BB is here is pretty awesome...although not the worlds only source as our friends from the Scandanavian countries have suggested.

I just got fibre optic BB installed at my place for about 100USD and enjoy incredible speeds at low cost.

Sent a 4Mb file down to Nagual in Australia in around 1m45s. Pretty awesome.

[Tigershark_BAS 0]

Well a large part of the problem in much of the world is that only 15% of the demand for fiber-optic cable is layed every year. That's miniscule. Most people still have to connect via phone lines. Japan and Korea had the benefit of starting later than most of the Western countries in regards to the internet, and so had more of the infrastructure in place to handle so much broadband access. I mean, the fastest you could get in the smallish town (10,000 residents, 20,000 students) that I went to college in was 200k DSL, and only in certain parts of the town. They probably won't have access to anything more for about 5 more years because the deregulation of the phone companies, and associated monopolies have created a competition-free environment in the US.

This is spot on Hellfish. When I came here 5 years ago, Japan was EMBARRASINGLY behind the rest of the world in Internet household penetration and in BB. Dial up was even tough to organise.

The government committed a ton of money into making Japan a "wired" country and as a result many players stepped into the market with government grants and began building the infrastructure. As you mentioned....without the legacy of poor infrastructure they have now become the world leader in BB and Internet service.

Someone mentioned a stat to me the other day, but I can't recall it. But they are among the best in the world now for BB services. Not saying fastest BB, but best in infrastructure and household take up.

[FSPilot 0]

i get 1.8 mbit/s for $40 a month

i guess that means im getting ripped off

[Supah 0]

I fail to see what on earth you need that fast an connection for as a end user other then mischief. It will only benefit drone network runners and copyright violators. Joe Public simply does not need nor does he utilize that kind of connection to its fullest.

[Tigershark_BAS 0]

I fail to see what on earth you need that fast an connection for as a end user other then mischief. It will only benefit drone network runners and copyright violators. Joe Public simply does not need nor does he utilize that kind of connection to its fullest.

Aaaah...interesting point...however this is merely because BB hasn't reached critical mass and therefore has a little application other than for "power" users.

Your statement did bring back to me a memory of a lecture I attended in university which contended in the future world poverty will not necessarily exist on monetary terms. In the future there would be the concept of information "rich" and information "poor" and those with access to information would have better opportunities and standard of living.

By insisting that Joe Public doesn't need it, it reminded me of the business elite who claim that their control of the markets keeps Joe Public happy ;-)

[denoir 0]

Quote[/b] ] fail to see what on earth you need that fast an connection for as a end user other then mischief. It will only benefit drone network runners and copyright violators. Joe Public simply does not need nor does he utilize that kind of connection to its fullest.

LOL. That's an interesting point of view, but rather flawed.

Far from all large file transfers are of copyrighted material. Why sit and waste time waiting for some download to complete? Ideally it should be instantaneous.

I rely very much on having full access to my computer's disk from anywhere. I also run a number of servers ranging from ftp, web to pcanywhere.

For instance right now I'm squatting in my parent's house while they are on vacation. I largely depend on a fast internet connection to remotely use my computer in Stockholm. I also remotely use my disks, which demands a high bandwith.

I have not had the need to use any form of removable media (such as CDRs) for several years now, thanks to the good internet connection.

[Supah 0]

I fail to see what on earth you need that fast an connection for as a end user other then mischief. It will only benefit drone network runners and copyright violators. Joe Public simply does not need nor does he utilize that kind of connection to its fullest.

Aaaah...interesting point...however this is merely because BB hasn't reached critical mass and therefore has a little application other than for "power" users.

Your statement did bring back to me a memory of a lecture I attended in university which contended in the future world poverty will not necessarily exist on monetary terms. In the future there would be the concept of information "rich" and information "poor" and those with access to information would have better opportunities and standard of living.

By insisting that Joe Public doesn't need it, it reminded me of the business elite who claim that their control of the markets keeps Joe Public happy ;-)

I am saying that technology gets out of peoples hands and often people are sold things they dont need by unscrupulous salesmen. Having a country on insanely fast connections (which they have no realistic legitimate use for) makes it very easy for a miscreant to install a backdoor or trojan horse and use this for flooding purposes. one is not a problem, 3000 of them are .... and they are going to be specifically target by drone net runners. Also, what do you use a 12 mbit connection for? What technology requires such a fast connection? HTTP, IRC, MSN and other technologies dont need 12 mbit per second. The only reason you need that fast connections is to transfer loads of data (ie files) .... now what are those going to be? Is someone really going to transfer the movie of their daughters 8 birthday that much? No, its going to end up being used as FTP servers for transferring copyright protected materials illegally. If you have a legitimate use for a 12 mbit connection, go right ahead and get it. However Joe Public doesnt have that and thus it should not be offered to them ATM.

This does keep Joe Public happy in a very simple way, the internet remains operational. If you have a fast DSL connection you wont even notice the difference with a 12 mb connection. At those speeds your PC, HDD and Browser become limiting factors. Its is going to cause nothing more then grief just as scandinavian countries and many campusses with their cheap ultra fast connections are doing now, they are a They are grossly abused for flooding and copyright violations.

Denoir: I sincerely doubt you would qualify as The Average Home PC USer (TAHPCU for short )

[FSPilot 0]

I fail to see what on earth you need that fast an connection for as a end user other then mischief. It will only benefit drone network runners and copyright violators. Joe Public simply does not need nor does he utilize that kind of connection to its fullest.

i can download french conspiracies and flight sim demos at an amazing rate!

[denoir 0]

supah, what you call "copyright violations" has also a full legitimate use. There are (at least here in Sweden) services where you can rent movies over the net. It's in a special format and has a time limit.

Now, there is no way in hell that I would download 1 Gb of data over a slow connection. With my 100 Mbit/s it's only two-three minutes of download time and it makes it usable.

Since the service provideders don't have any costs storage and handling, it's significantly cheaper than renting it in a shop.

Not to mention that there is plenty of streamed TV on the net which requires bandwith. In the future this will become more common.

[bn880 5]

Yes and the same service you mention for movies was in the works for games. It's not doing all that great, well because the connections in North America are not usually upto the task yet either.

[Renagade 0]

not all movies are  copywrited

not all mp3s are copywrited

catch my drift.

With that kind of bandwidth u could run ur own tv show,grab linux distros in seconds,new mega online games with battles running into thousands and everything  else denior said.

The only problem with all these super connections is how will all the switching affect latency?Won`t loads of cables and switchboards affect ur ping for gaming.

Do any of ur telecom commpanies have v.92 for ppl still stuck in hell... on a 56k.

I think here only telewest have upgraded to v.92

[ralphwiggum 6]

I rely very much on having full access to my computer's disk from anywhere. I also run a number of servers ranging from ftp, web to pcanywhere.

For instance right now I'm squatting in my parent's house while they are on vacation. I largely depend on a fast internet connection to remotely use my computer in Stockholm. I also remotely use my disks, which demands a high bandwith.

I have not had the need to use any form of removable media (such as CDRs) for several years now, thanks to the good internet connection.

oh. yeah...reminds me of one time when you set your firewall level kinda wierd and you had to wait for your ex-girfrielnd to actually goto your PC and fix it up.

back on my connection.......

512kb down, 128 up (i think)

and pay 50USD for this

reason?

fucking monopoly. My ISP owns all the backbone system here in Los Angeles coutny, so they can fuck us how much they want. not tomention last week the connections were fucked up due to "maintenance"

[SpeedyDonkey 0]

Quote[/b] ]Japan? Move to Sweden. I have a 100 Mbit/s line and I pay 20 €/month.

And exactly how many percent of the swedish people can get this deal?

[iNeo 0]

I've had 10 Mbit/sec for $20-25 since 2-3 years ago

[RaptoR-Swe 0]

10mbit/sec connection       had it a very very long time aswell   have worked pretty flawless since i got it

company name is BBB  (stands for in english  Broad Band Company)    u pay about   20-25 for it

why move to japan  when u got heaven in a small cable in sweden ;)

btw Denoir  whats the company that provides u with 100mbit?  

[DestroyerX 0]

Damn.... All those fast connections...  I want that too. We don't have that here (yet). Gotta do it with cable broadband. (15-25 kb/s upload / max of 500 kb/s download). But I'm statisfied. It's cool.