Ballistic addon studios

[The Frenchman 0]

I think these guys are Rangers

It finally works, these are better pics. YAY HALO outfit

[PHY_Hawkeye 0]

Those guys are Irish Defense Forces Rangers, not U.S. Rangers.

[MLF 0]

Will the Pack include the Tow launcher Maarfy were creating.

[Tigershark_BAS 0]

To be honest...I dont know the answer to that one! Mmmm....not sure if Maarfy handed that over to us.

[EMAN 0]

reconmercs , yep sorry meant ST 2

[EMAN 0]

DeadmeatXM2 and EMAN, SEAL Team 2 is the ONLY artic warfare SEAL team..

http://www.specialoperations.com/Navy/SEALs/st2.html

[flame]

If you bothered to read my post, I stated that it was only a HYPOTHTICAL - i.e. MADE UP example of what might happen.

Also, if you bother to check out this page on the BAS Site, you would see that the BAS team is more than aware of what and where the SEAL Teams operate.

As you should all know by now, we do a hell of a lot of RESEARCH into our addons before we even begin to make them, so unless you ARE a SEAL, which I highly doubt, DON'T preach to us what SEALs do, use or wear, as we have researced them to death to make the addons accurate and realistic...

Rant over...

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Deadmeat,

Sorry if you took my comment the wrong way, did not mean that you guys don't do research.

thanks

[BronzeEagle 2]

BAS, the most important thing to do if you make Taliban units is to add that effect that the CodeBlue Marines have whenever they get shot, the ai writhe in pain on the ground using the "I'm laying down and healing at the medic" animation. There would be nothing more pleasing than having a Taliban unit that when he's close to dead he just writhes in pain there. Maybe you could add an action to the units that you walk up and put some of those zip lock brand plasti-cuffs on em that the deltas use and then when you put them on their hands are behind their backs. I'm sure that can be done. I've seen the writhing at least.

[Eviscerator 0]

BAS, the most important thing to do if you make Taliban units is to add that effect that the CodeBlue Marines have whenever they get shot, the ai writhe in pain on the ground using the "I'm laying down and healing at the medic" animation.  There would be nothing more pleasing than having a Taliban unit that when he's close to dead he just writhes in pain there.  Maybe you could add an action to the units that you walk up and put some of those zip lock brand plasti-cuffs on em that the deltas use and then when you put them on their hands are behind their backs.  I'm sure that can be done.  I've seen the writhing at least.

We arent making Taliban units.

[BronzeEagle 2]

Oh.

[ruff 102]

ur mercs and african rebels sound promising

though

[kikill 0]

what about torture too? c'mon man, what happen to you? ...some people really scare me...

[Guest DKM-jaguar]

I dont like the idea of writhing enemys. This just seems sick to me, a little kinda arcade game reject style.

BTW, landwarrior, that was not a result of research, that addon was very realistic. Why is it that all DKM flaming comes from the BAS IRC channel and forum thread? We have not insulted you... we do not intend on insulting you....

[Cpt. FrostBite 0]

jezus! I hope you people realise that in real-life war is NOT funny. I don't think it's funny to have "writhing enemys". In real-life you give the guy a mercy shot if he's not dead immediately. You treat your enemys with honer or else you're no better than the terrorists. Ofp is a game, but still.

DKM-jaguar/landwarrior:

I HAVE seen pictures of a tiger-stripe desert camo comanche. Those were pictures of an early prototype. So it is NOT an unrealistic cammo. So before you start flaming, DO YOUR RESEARCH FIRST!!

[Guest DKM-jaguar]

thanks Frostbite, i totally agree about the writhing enemies, it is not right to portray human suffering, it doesnt make it any more realistic, just sick to want to see it.

BTW; dont worry about landwarrior, he's got personal problems with my approach to US units so i guess this is his way of attacking DKM and [he thinks] me. Its a shot in the foot to critise a US unit though... that defeat the whole reason he said it

[Landwarrior87 0]

As you should all know by now, we do a hell of a lot of RESEARCH into our addons before we even begin to make them, so unless you ARE a SEAL, which I highly doubt, DON'T preach to us what SEALs do, use or wear, as we have researced them to death to make the addons accurate and realistic...

Doesnt every addon team do a lot of research? I dont think anoyne intends to release inaccurate addons...

DKM is very good for research, i have a load of research going at any one time, and i am not even tied to any one project..

where did you see a tiger striped Comanche? not flaming.. but ive never seen a tiger striped one in any photos. If you have any laying around id love for you to post them.

to frostbite, how is this flaming??? if you READ the got damn post you would see it says "not flaming.." all i wanted was a link to a pic with a tiger striped comanche.. and i couldnt even get that.

[BronzeEagle 2]

Oh please. Are you saying its not realistic to see enemies writhe in pain? Another thing, are you saying it'd gross you out to see enemies writhing in pain but it doesn't gross you out with blood addons, the shooting, the killing? What was that about honor you said, right, if the guy is there writhing we'll see who gives him a mercy shot. Why can't that realistic part of combat be put into this game? After all, this isn't an arcade game as you said. You're the addon maker though. It just goes to show you that OFP is not going to be as realistic as possible like you all claim you want it to be....

[Eviscerator 0]

Oh please.  Are you saying its not realistic to see enemies writhe in pain?  Another thing, are you saying it'd gross you out to see enemies writhing in pain but it doesn't gross you out with blood addons, the shooting, the killing?  What was that about honor you said, right, if the guy is there writhing we'll see who gives him a mercy shot.  Why can't that realistic part of combat be put into this game?  After all, this isn't an arcade game as you said.  You're the addon maker though.

Yes, it is unrealistic in the way it was described, and in terribly bad taste, on the realism side of things, if an enemy was dropped next to his rifle and you walked up to him, do you think he would just roll over? No! He would pick the gun up and shoot you, or throw a grenade at you, in ofp with this animation they would defenceless.

[The_Watcher 0]

Could we get back to talking about BAS, please? Thanks.

[Guest DKM-jaguar]

Not until some of the issues rasied here are answered....

Landwarrior, I'll use your rule and see how you like it: This is not flaming but all the work you have seen done in the last 6 months by your Mod team is just all wrong, i will never download your addons just becuase you are you and i dont like you.

I put "this is not flaming" before that, still is though. so, you did flame, and no ammount of covering it up hide it.

To the question of adding realism to the game by adding glorified killing animations. I dont know where to start with the wrongness here... for one point, you do not add anything to the game by adding a script that makes something move without directly influencing the actions of another unit. People who get shot and are dying are exactly that: dying. As such, it is a game and a dying unit is as good as a dead one, so the unit ends when it is dead. This would not add anything to the game as far as we can do it. As Evis said, it would add something if the dying enemy tried to have a last go at you with the AK, but that is going to be a lot harder as the AI would be diferent AFAIK.  By the way, it is not a good idea to question my commitment to making ofp more realistic, this is a bad idea and if you continue, you'll make me say such stuff that will A) make you cry B) get me a post restriction becuase that is probably the most insulting thing i have read so far, it attacks every beleif and aim i have for OFP. Thanks for that.

I think the ONLY way that this kind of gore would be at all realistic or useull would be if there were models for wounds which the player can bandage and treat. If these wounds and gore played a part in the game, then it would be worthwhile. As it is as you described, it is just a needless point to make OFP more like an arcade game.

And why is bloody deaths more realistic part fo combat? And what is the point in trying to say that i cannot cope with the horros of war? can anyone? Why do you think psot traumatic stress disorder is in existance? Trained soldiers being treated for the horros they have seen. OK, lets make ofp so "real" that you need help after watching it beucase you are mentally affected. fantastic...another plan well thought out...

[Cpt. FrostBite 0]

landwarrior;

you were kind of flaming. And you wanted a pic of a tiger stripe cammo comanche, well here it is;

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/rah-66-004.jpg

It's (as I said before) an early prototype.

Bronzeeagle;

I realize that in combat most people don't die immediatley after they get shot. I never said it was not realistic. It doesn't gross me out to see enemies writhe in pain, but I don't like the way he discribed it. The main thing that bothered me was that he wrote:

Quote[/b] ]There would be nothing more pleasing than having a Taliban unit that when he's close to dead he just writhes in pain there.

In real-life it's not fun shooting people, and it's not fun to let them writhe in pain. That's what I meant.

About realism, It should be something like this;

when you get shot and take a certain amount of dammage, you drop to the ground and you are no longer able to move/shoot. You have to wait for a medic to save you before you bleed to dead (you slowly take more dammage; like in HL: Firearms mod). This is a completely different approach to the same thing. (and a lot less "sick")

btw; I don't use the blood addon (it's not very realistic unless you get hit by a .50 caliber gun). And I'm not an addon maker; I'm just a beta-tester for suchey's marines.

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well, DKM-jaguar beat me to it. I was writing my post when he posted his. I agree with it, althoug the "dying-addon" the way I discibed it, may be a nice addon for team-playing in MP, where you really want to save those "dying soldiers". This would also make the medic a much more important unit.

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[redliner47 0]

There is a fine line between "realism" and "bad-taste". Sure shrapnel rips through peoples flesh in real war, but to you want to see the individual little fleshettes of metal pierce a soldiers skin? no, i didnt think so. The same thing goes for wounded people. There is a difference between a game and reality. OFP is a game, therefore it doesnt need screaming in pain, writhing in agony. Dont you have fun playing OFP without all this stuff? If you are, why do we need it added?

Back on topic: I really really want the SEAL's lol

[Bambi 0]

Quote[/b] ]About realism, It should be something like this;

when you get shot and take a certain amount of dammage, you drop to the ground and you are no longer able to move/shoot. You have to wait for a medic to save you before you bleed to dead (you slowly take more dammage; like in HL: Firearms mod). This is a completely different approach to the same thing. (and a lot less "sick")

Well i like this idea better than the enemy writhing in pain, atleast you wont have to witness the enemy laying there holding his neck or whatever.

anyways bas whats your take on this idea:

Quote[/b] ]Quote (Landwarrior87 @ June 05 2003,23:13)

Quote (Bambi @ June 05 2003,23:03)

Sorry if someone asked this before, but are you guys by an chance going to make a gaurding animation for the next update on the deltas or rangers?

oh yeh... didnt see this earlier.. guess ill jump back on topic. this is a good question.. id love to see new animations from you guys. as far as the updated rangers... you will be removing handguns from them right? i know the real life rangers prolly all have them but.. when you are in close quarters they always take out their guns and miss the hell out of their target.. and this is really annoying could you only give the sidearm to the officer? this really gives the edge back to the East units, because theya re not all equipped with sidearms.. and when they engage at close ranges u get full auto out of an ak74 against 9mm's... this is really unrealistic. please take the handguns away.

and.. havent seen any new pictures of the Delta's.. i hope you've got some kind of trick up your sleeves. because id love to see a new and improved Delta Unit.. maybe some with short sleeves... (Like on black Hawk Down)  and wait before you start flaming me about it being 10 years ago.. im sure some Desert Delta's roll their sleeves up when its hot... you could use like what the SEB team did.. since well.. their on your team anyway. And if you dont use shorten sleeves for all the units.. please atleast use them for the Delta Sniper.

thanx alot just for reading my post BAS... and I LOVE YOU if you plan to do any of these things.

[reconmercs 0]

Well, I REALLY want the promised MH-60's but we all can't get what we want when we want it can we hopefully they'll release before I go back to school in sept....not being sarcastic

[Landwarrior87 0]

Not until some of the issues rasied here are answered....

Landwarrior, I'll use your rule and see how you like it: This is not flaming but all the work you have seen done in the last 6 months by your Mod team is just all wrong, i will never download your addons just becuase you are you and i dont like you.

I put "this is not flaming" before that, still is though. so, you did flame, and no ammount of covering it up hide it.

ummm.. not sure what the hell u r talking bout.. u lost me around the 6 months and my mod team.. and not downloading any of my addons.

Landwarrior87 is officially lost.

[Guest DKM-jaguar]

That was the litteral meaning of your disguised flame post, written from your point of view at me.

Trying to say DKM had invented a Tgirestripe pattern for the RAH66 and had not done it's research, trying to have ago at DKM with ever little detail you can find, but you do not scrutanize other mods like this. You ignore the faults on thier addons.