Islamic State (ISIS/ISIL/Daesh) Discussion

[mistyronin 1181]

Nope but Syrian Army probably has lot of AK-47s. Maybe they got all those Humvees when they reached the Iraq this year?

Are you serious? But if they have been fighting in Iraq for a whole decade... why do you say "they reached Iraq this year"??? In fact it's structure is mainly filled with former Saddam army officers and members of Saddam's Ba'ath Party.

BTW Iraq is full of AKMs, AK-74s, etc. Check photos from the 2003's Coalition Invasion or from the Gulf War in 1991; what weapons did the Iraqi used?

Edited December 3, 2014 by MistyRonin

[batto 17]

Are you serious? But if they have been fighting in Iraq for a whole decade... why do you say "they reached Iraq this year"???

Well not on such scale as today I suppose (=> not enough manpower). Or media just didn't care back then. Why do they care now?

BTW Iraq is full of AKMs, AK-74s, etc.

Yeah. But Syria was full of US supported extremist scum just recently (until they were renamed to ISIL).

[mistyronin 1181]

Yeah. But Syria was full of US supported extremist scum just recently (until they were renamed to ISIL).

The groups the US supported in Syria were mainly attached to FSA which is at war with IS ( former ISIL/ISIS ). So you don't make much sense.

[batto 17]

The groups the US supported in Syria were mainly attached to FSA which is at war with IS ( former ISIL/ISIS ). So you don't make much sense.

Look, what I'm saying is that last year in Syria the extremism threat was already very very real. It was real not long after beginning of so called Arab Spring in Syria. And it took long time to be acknowledged by "official channels". By that time a non-negligible army of extremists was fighting in Syria. All of sudden ISIL starts to dominate parts of Iraq and Syria. That same group that was formed in 2003. That same group that was considered negligible by western media (spokesmans of politics) until now. Suddenly it became problem. If you fail to see the major problem here, the last year's problem, then you just don't use enough of common sense.

Edited December 3, 2014 by batto

[Xalteva 10]

Very interesting

So US is a terrorist country ? or was ruled by terrorists ? :P

Edited December 3, 2014 by Xalteva

[ProfTournesol 956]

(BBC News) Islamic State: Kerry says any Iran strikes 'positive'

The reported Iranian air strikes against Islamic State targets in Iraq underscore that while Iran and the US are not exactly on the same side in this struggle (due not least to the Iranians' support for President Bashar al-Assad in Syria) they do at least share the same enemy in IS.

Saudi Arabia rulers must eat their Ghutra (=Keffieh) :popcornsmilie:

[mistyronin 1181]

All of sudden ISIL starts to dominate parts of Iraq and Syria.

IS has dominated big parts of Iraq for a decade, even when the US still had troops there. They got bolder when the US left. That fact was minimized by certain US media to make it easier for Obama to order the coming back.

That same group that was formed in 2003. That same group that was considered negligible by western media (spokesmans of politics) until now.

Again you do confuse what's on the media with what's happening. Just read US soldiers biographies and books about the last years of the US presence in Iraq and the Surge.

Suddenly it became problem. If you fail to see the major problem here, the last year's problem, then you just don't use enough of common sense.

It has always been a problem. Just that last year it reached certain key points. But obviously IS didn't appear out of the blue. They had been training and preparing for a lot of years to intervene in Syria.

You don't seem to know much about logistics and the military, even with all the gold in the World you don't create big military operations in weeks nor months, it requires time, years.

[SpookyGunship 10]

Just saw that some british convert who married a 16 year old just died fighting for ISIS. And as so many times people just don't get it why things like that happend. Found that post on Page 25.

Dude, very short story: I have muslim neighbours and muslim friends. They all think that the ISIS guys are evil crazy people. If Muslims I know say to me that some other Muslims are fucked up in their head then I believe them.

Let me tell you also a short story.: Your story is meaningless. Your muslim friends are most likely born into muslim families and define their "muslimhood" just by that. These people don't read the Quran, the Hadith, or any other of these scriptures and than bore everyone around them with this "oh ISIS is not Islam, i should know because i'am a born muslim when i actualy don't read any scriptures." Worst case they start preaching some watered down whitewashed version of a few phrases from the quoran they heard as a child. I have also a "muslim friend" who converted half a year back to christianity. But this wasn't some spiritual decision, was more like a over all more practical reason. Before that we had also some debates where more and more came out, that he didn't read any scriptures and that i had to show them. But whats whit the people who convert the other way around?

If i would convert to Islam, i would become a wahabist or salafist or whatever you call these extremists, because they are basicly the just honest people practicing a pure form of Islam. A convert is most likely to be a extremists than one of these born-into people who never read the scriptures, because converts realy had to read them. This or their dawa Brothers feed them with selective verses to decieve them, which is allowed in Islam. Thats why i basicly don't give a dime about what any Muslim wants to tell me about Extremists. The biggest problem is that these born-into people are some sort of meat shield of the honest muslims around the core of the problem, which is islam itself. Just a few of them will see what is realy going on and escape the cult. For them there is no reason to call themselfs Muslims when they ain't even true believers and do herecy by the definitions in their own scriptures.

The only people who seem to enjoy ISIS seem to be those who mentally still live in the middle ages.

Short sighted way to see things. Its also what you read most of the time in the Newspapers writen by people who don't know about these things and are more shocked than able to understand it.

The Quran isn't even a religious book, its a Field Manual for conquest. That is what people do, they conquer each other. We see a flow of western fighters to ISIS, because ISIS is exactly what these mostly young man wanna be a part of: A Warband.

A bunch of Barbarians with beards and weapons who say they will conquer the world, take slaves and so on. Most societies are still running on these priciples. Not so much against other nations, but through war within the societies. Class warfare for example. When you see the socialists movements in europe you have a similar case. Throwing stones, banging the young women who show up their for "social" reasons, which means they want a piece of the redistribution of property. ISIS is just another Model of Society scale Survivalism. The spiritual, social, or whatever frames these models give themselfs, are just anaesthetic.

Pro Tip No.1: Movements following a cult leader (because this is ISIS) are never good if the cult is OK with using violence to impose their will on others. Such movements are always evil, missguided and destined for doom.

Germany was founded by Barbarians who sacked rome. England is a nation born from the settlements of saxon mercenaries. Don't make the mistake to bring some kind of "moral" in this.

Pro Tip No.2: Groups and Movements waving around black flags are also mostly evil.

Black Flags are "evil" in our cultural sphere, not in theirs. The black color has a bit different meaing for them, especialy in the context of religion. In the muslim teachings, at the end of all days Jesus will come back dressed in black and fight with the Muslims against Jews and Christians. While Christians most often picture Jesus returns as this long haired hippie guy in a white nightgown.

Also, the VICE Talkingheads Video is most about blameing america for everything. Always easy for some preaching professor guy who doesn't have to burden himself with decisions in these things.

We just see the same thing happen as during the vietnam war, when the US Military was bad organized and wastefull, but winning the war against the north. It was constantly sabotaged by incompetent personal and enemies back home. And when they finaly withdrew from the south, the north waited a bit and then striked again. Just as the North knew that they would win when Nixon was leaving office, the Islamists thought they would win when the troops are gone and this "ISIS is not islamic" BS Artist President is still in charge of things.

[Tonci87 163]

I totally agree that converts seem to be more radical and more susceptible to extremism than the people who were born into it.

[mistyronin 1181]

( Defense One ) Islamic State Is On the ‘Defensive’ As a Coalition Builds in Iraq

– The war commander for the international effort against the Islamic State said the group is on the “defensive†and that coalition nations will soon be pledging to send hundreds more troops to join U.S. forces in Iraq.

[mistyronin 1181]

( Al Jazeera ) Russia's burgeoning ISIL problem

As many as 2,500 people from Russia's restive North Caucasus region have become fighters in Syria and Iraq.

With plunging oil prices, economic sanctions, the ongoing conflict in Ukraine and a weakening ruble, the Russian government already had a lot to worry about.

Now ISIL has joined this list of concerns. The Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) has released videos with threats to liberate Chechnya and the broader North Caucasus region, and Russia is waging an online war against the group.

"We will … liberate Chechnya and the Caucasus, Allah willing. The Islamic State is here to stay," said an ISIL fighter in the first such video, released on August 31.

[ProfTournesol 956]

(BBC) Jihadist violence 'killed 5,000 in November'

The four worst-affected countries were Iraq, Nigeria, Afghanistan and Syria, accounting for 80% of all deaths.

The investigation - co-ordinated with the International Centre for the Study of Radicalisation (ICSR) - recorded a total of 664 attacks in 14 countries.

It aims to quantify the human cost of jihadist violence in one month, and to offer a snapshot of a complex movement.

The investigation showed that nearly seven people died every hour in November as a result of violence attributed to al-Qaeda, its offshoots and groups that subscribe to a similar ideology.

The study recorded a daily average of 22 such attacks and 168 fatalities. Islamic State (IS) militants - operating in Iraq and Syria - were responsible for more than 2,000 deaths.

[surpher 1]

(Channel4 News) Unmasked: the man behind top Islamic State Twitter account

The most influential pro-Islamic State Twitter account to be followed by foreign jihadis - Shami Witness - is shut down after a Channel 4 News investigation uncovers the identity of the man behind it

He has until now been able to remain anonymous, avoiding questions about his motives and his central role in the Islamic State's propaganda war, but a Channel 4 News investigation can today reveal that the man operating the account is called Mehdi and he is an executive in Bangalore working for an Indian conglomerate.

[taro8 806]

I just watched a combat video recorded by ISIS. Now I think that any mods, that will feature Islamic types, needs to have every single radio protocol phrase replaced with "Allah Akbar", as they seem to be unable to communicate in any way, except for these 2 words. Might actually sound pretty funny ingame.

[sgtsev3n 12]

Alex talks with WND journalist and New York Times best-selling author Aaron Klein about how the ISIS terror group now rampaging through Iraq was trained by the U.S. military in Jordan back in 2012.

US opposes ISIS in Iraq, supports them in Syria

Elite donors of American allies in the Persian Gulf region have poured an immense amount of resources into rebel groups like IS in efforts to advance on three general goals: opposing Iran, its ally Bashar Assad and his government in Syria, and fomenting the Sunni-Shia divides in the region.

[Xalteva 10]

ISIS selling human organs to fund its operations

[ProfTournesol 956]

ISIS Executes 100 Foreign Fighters For Trying To Flee Syria

One hundred foreign fighters who joined the Islamic State group were killed for attempting to flee the extremist group’s headquarters in the Syrian city of Raqqa, the Financial Times reported Friday. Some jihadists who were drawn to Syria have now become disenchanted with the grueling fight, but the leaders of the militant group formerly known as either ISIS or ISIL won’t let them return home, Agence France-Presse reported.

[ProfTournesol 956]

(BBC) Rare Islamic State visit reveals 'brutal and strong' force

Very interesting testimony of a German writer that spent ten days among ISIS fanatics :

"They are so confident, so sure of themselves. At the beginning of this year, few people knew of IS. But now they have conquered an area the size of the UK."

"I don't see anyone who has a real chance to stop them," he said. "Only Arabs can stop IS. I came back very pessimistic."

"They are planning the biggest religious cleansing in history. They want to kill all the people that don't belong to the three books religions, hundreds of millions of people, they don't care".

[Xalteva 10]

(BBC) Rare Islamic State visit reveals 'brutal and strong' force

Very interesting testimony of a German writer that spent ten days among ISIS fanatics :

And ofcourse they told him all the truth :)

[oxmox 73]

Not directly about the IS, but donno where to post this anyway..

Al Qaeda Claims New Butt Bomb

Al Qaeda claims to have come up with the perfect recipe for a deadly bomb, it’s just too embarrassed to tell its legions of devoted followers where they are supposed to place it: inside their rectal cavity.

Rectal bombs are a touchy subject and Al Qaeda members aren’t the only ones afraid of talking about it.

The jihadist magazine claims to have been conducting recent experiments to identify easy-to-find materials for its rectal bomb (eggs, vinegar and nail polish are involved), and includes specific techniques for avoiding explosive detection screenings. “

While avoiding the practicalities of placing a bomb inside one’s posterior, the magazine does offer some helpful advice to the would-be lone Mujahid butt bomber once seated 0n the plane: “Relax, do not become tense.â€

https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2014/12/25/al-qaeda-claims-perfected-hidden-bomb/

[oxmox 73]

ISIS Claims Attack On Saudi Arabia Border, Signals Strategy Change In Militant Infiltration

Four militants, one wearing a suicide vest, attacked a border fortification Monday, killing three Saudi border guards.

The militants' official media wing for Iraq’s Anbar province published a photo essay taking responsibility for the attack, which is the closest ISIS has come to breaching the coveted Saudi Arabian border since it declared the existence of a caliphate in June. The suicide attack signals a change in the group’s strategy to conquer the kingdom. It was both the first direct attack on Saudi armed forces and the first documented attempt by the militant group to infiltrate the country. Despite the government's past efforts to quell extremism, Saudi Arabia has become increasing vulnerable to ISIS advances.

Saudi Arabia is an active member of the U.S.-led anti-ISIS coalition and a longtime U.S. ally.

Whether the recent attack was the result of direct orders from Baghdadi or of a lone-wolf group of ISIS sympathizers, the threat to Saudi Arabia remains strong.

http://www.ibtimes.com/isis-claims-attack-saudi-arabia-border-signals-strategy-change-militant-infiltration-1773754

[vilas 477]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/super-rich-sultan-brunei-bans-christmas-1482577 < tollerance ;)

[mistyronin 1181]

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/super-rich-sultan-brunei-bans-christmas-1482577 < tollerance ;)

Vilas I fail to see the connection between the Sultan of Brunei and IS ( ISIS, ISIL, whatever ).

Besides that Brunei is an majority Islamic country and not precisely a democracy, so it's quite logic the action.

[sudayev 27]

http://www.almasdarnews.com/article/3000-fsa-fighters-defect-isis-qalamoun-mountains/

So called "mild" rebel groups, the ones armed and supported by president Obama have finally joined the Islamic State. Three thousand men overall.

[Gunter Severloh 4067]

Alright! more of them to bomb!

You know if the USA, and Great Britain, and whomever else would mind their own dam business and concentrate on their own countries, then groups like this wouldn't showup.

If these guys want to rape, kill,and terrorize and turn their lands over there into some state then let them do it, until you step on our soil and decide to do the same here

then we have a problem, otherwise I dont see why we should be concerned.

Surely i do feel very bad that the terrorism or acts of violence is occurring over there but this isn't anything new, their always been some marauding party, army, empire, or someone

who wants to rule, or invade someone else since ages past, why is this any different, maybe because USA has both its hands in the pot, and the people over their dont like it.

If some peoples call for our aid to defend them or protect them then thats something, but has anybody really called the USA and Allies to fight ISIS or did

they take it apon themselves to do so because of the beheadings, i dont recall.