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  vilas said:
like Jblack said, look at video, they all scream "Allah Akbar" , immam calling to kill Somali Africans who converted to Christianity is the same, also shout Allah Akbar , guys who behead people shout Allah Akbar too , the root of problem is Islam , so how can you say it is not conected to IS, while IS is ISLAMIC state, which want to build CALIPHATE basing on Quoran ? this is connected, IS is ISLAMIC state, Sharia state, not Jewish, not secular, not Catholic, but ISLAMIC state

guys who beaten and attacked people in European cities demanding Sharia, guys who set "Sharia zone" are connected, all is connected by Islam

Just like Klansmen killed lynched, burned, flayed innocent black people everywhere "In Jesus Name!". That Catholic Church has a MAJOR problem with child rape and their Preachers call forth their Altar boys "In Jesus Name"....

Problem isn't the religion, it's that there are fucked up people in every religion and atheism .

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  MistyRonin said:

The fact that the perpetrators of the Canada's attacks had sympathies with IS, doesn't mean they were ordered by IS./QUOTE]

Uh, ya they were and many more are volunteering.

Like I said, ISIS is the MTV of terrorisms, their like popstars for jihadist wannabes.

Young, well funded, lots of cool weapons, young women volunteering to spread their legs for them.

unlike Al-qeada which is a bunch of tired old men hiding in caves and safe houses reminiscing of the days fighting the Soviets in Afghanistan.

They've captured tanks, rocket launchers, scud missles, jets., it does not matter if they can actually use all of these weapons

it's the propaganda value of driving through a captured town with these toys, people watching it look at it and go "WOW!!!!. I wanna be a part of that!"

In WWII most Germans were not Nazi’s,

but the Germans started a war that killed 60 million people,

the peaceful Germans were irrelevant.

In Russia during WWII most Russians were peaceful,

yet Russia killed over 20 million people,

the peaceful Russians were irrelevant.

In China most Chinese are peaceful people,

yet Mao killed over 70 million people,

the peaceful Chinese were irrelevant.

In Japan most Japanese are peaceful people,

yet Japan marched through SE Asia killing over 12 million people

mostly with bayonets and shovels,

the peaceful Japanese were irrelevant.

On Sept 11 2001 19 muslims killed almost 3000 people in the U.S.,

the peaceful muslims were irrelevant

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  jblackrupert said:
Uh, ya they were and many more are volunteering.

So you are trying to say that Abu Usamah Somali was the one who perpetrated the attack in the Canada's Parliament?

And you believe his crazy propaganda?

Besides there is no connection in that video with the attacks in Canada.

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  MistyRonin said:
So you are trying to say that Abu Usamah Somali was the one who perpetrated the attack in the Canada's Parliament?

And you believe his crazy propaganda?

Besides there is no connection in that video with the attacks in Canada.

ISIS released several videos calling for people in several western countries to use ANY weapon they could find including cars to kill non-believers.

The soldiers in Quebec were run over and killed with a car.

The guy in Ottawa killed the soldier and stormed Parliament with an old rifle that is common in Canada.

ISIS called for people to do it, they did it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ri2WE9R_5As

The CBC is a left as you can get, even they admit the reality.

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Since you like simple things :

As long as there isn't a serious investigation that proves there is a link between IS and the attacks in Canada, all this propaganda won't be believable!

One can just tell you that those guys were paid to do such videos! and honestly, those murderers making videos on social media about killing infidels are just not convincing.

@vilas

i was talking to a friend lately, and asked him about gays beheading in islam: he said that there is nothing in quran that justifies that, but he pointed me to Leviticus 20:13 (bible)

Enjoy!

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  Xalteva said:

i was talking to a friend lately, and asked him about gays beheading in islam: he said that there is nothing in quran that justifies that, but he pointed me to Leviticus 20:13 (bible)

Enjoy!

Yeah pretty telling how people say that Christianity/Judaism "evolved" out of ancient traditions (which were probably more tribal then anything) yet state that there is "no evolving out of Islam". That somehow that it is the one Abrahamic religion that is inherently evil.

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The old testament is a brutal book, more brutal in a lot of ways then the Quran and the Hadith, that's where it ends...

I don't see Westboro church members running around chopping off heads and stoning their kids because they failed to obey them.

they are offensive as fuck, but you don't have to worry about them blowing you up or stabbing you in the street.

In Africa, well that's a lot different and it all goes back to the bigger problem. You cannot have a first world nation with a third world population

many of those places are living in the 7th century, even biblical times..... We are importing people who simply cannot or will not live in the present.

they bring their 1000 year old battles with them and scream bloody murder if you dare tell them to integrate and change their ways.

And yes the Quran does order the chopping off of heads, it doesn't say specifically to do it to gays, as the Bible doesn't say anything about women sleeping with women

but at the end of the day, it is there.

[Remember] when your Lord inspired to the angels, "I am with you, so strengthen those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieved, so strike [them] upon the necks and strike from them every fingertip."

http://quran.com/8/12

You can interpret it all you like, but it sure as hell ain't talking about giving someone a Judo chop to the neck with your hand.

Kill non-believers

4.89 : They desire that you should disbelieve as they have disbelieved, so that you might be (all) alike; therefore take not from among them friends until they fly (their homes) in Allah's way; but if they turn back, then seize them and kill them wherever you find them, and take not from among them a friend or a helper.

The Old testament has similar passages about killing non-believers but only in Third world countries do they actually carry it out.

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I am not a theologist, and probably don't have your knowledge :) but my point was that violence is not only Islam specific! as the guy said in one of the videos i posted above, Islam is not a religion of peace nor a religion of violence! people make of it what they want, and it sounds logical actually.

And this is the whole problem, when human being believes in anything, there is always a risk that his belief could bring him to violence. Hitler was influenced by nietzsche and his superhuman theory + his hatred for the jews ... Stalin too had non religious beliefs, but managed to kill millions, and there are many examples i can come up with.

Now politically speaking, i think that this massive media war against Islam is not coincident, it is closely related to what's happening in the middle east, and the important interests there. Some parties with their media try to seize this opportunity to get more votes because they have nothing to give to people except chasing out "terrorists" out of the country.

Keep in mind that before sending soldiers to the war, local population should be convinced first! Fortunately, many people are aware of this, but sadly a lot think it's a conspiracy like those in "House of cards" (i recommend you watch this one btw).

This said,i don't deny extremism in some western countries due to marginalization and lack of integration processes! The most important is to avoid generalizations and quick conclusions.

Back to the middle east, you have to keep two things in mind when dealing with this subject : Israel and the Petrodollar ... nevermind forget it, it would take me a long time developping, and you will most likely start talking about immigrants after anyway.

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Good post jblackrupert.

Funny as I cant see some "mystical god" whom supposedly created us would "write" or have someone write that.

Sounds to me much a depiction of the thinking of those times, among anything the delusion in their beliefs.

I'd like to know where the 72, or 70 virgins come in, I mean who came up with that, is it actually written somewhere?

Has there been someone whos been there and back that said hey, when you die theres 72 girls who are virgins for each man that makes it, has anyone confirmed this

God their all talking about? until I see for myself what your talking about how am I supposed to take you seriously, so basically your telling me that people just blindly accept what another person

says with any evidence or anything to back up their description.

So how about them ISIS guys? what were their exact plans to take over the whole middle east?

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Breaking news

The guy who shot the soldier on Parliament hill and charged the building made a video which the RCMP now possess

and they say it was ideological and political..

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/canadian-press-newsalert-ottawa-shooting-driven-ideological-motives-225731654.html

http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/gunman-prepared-video-prior-to-ottawa-attack-rcmp-1.2071640

Can't wait for it to be released, that should put to rest the argument that he was just a kook.

but I'm sure the liberal apologists will be mashing their brains to come up with some new way to paint him as a victim.

Unlike Obama, our Prime Minister isn't afraid to call these events and people for what they are.

I'm sure he'll make sure the RCMP release the video.

Ahhhh, social media. gotta love it.

A Prime example of this desperation of the left to paint it as chocolate and roses.

CBC Ideas: Is Islam the 'green' religion?

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/cbc-ideas-is-islam-the-green-religion-1.2810850

Wow, just wow!

Turns out a guy who shot and killed 14 women at a school in Montreal in 1989 was also a Muslim

with a muslim father who was fanatically anti-women.

Good ol Mark Lepine was actually born "Gamil Rodrigue Liass Gharbi"

http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/mass/marc_lepine/index.html

Thanks to the internet all these old stories are getting opened to the light of day

no more hiding the inconvenient truth to support a leftist narrative.

I always knew there was something more to that story when it broke.

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  Günter Severloh said:
Good post jblackrupert.

I'd like to know where the 72, or 70 virgins come in, I mean who came up with that, is it actually written somewhere?

I've read the Quran many times, it's not in there, the number being 72 and all but there are descriptions of what you'll receive when you die.

http://wikiislam.net/wiki/72_Virgins

According to Islam, you won't be needing Viagra, that's for sure, LOL.

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Qur'an was not written by Allah or revealed to the Prophet Muhammad in Arabic during the 7th century, but was in fact written by

Christian evangelists in Syro-Aramaic during the 8th century.

According to that page.

Sounds like a bunch of horny teenagers let their dick think for them.

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Small notice.

From this point onward, only news linked directly to ISIS will be allowed. You can also discuss said news in an objective manner.

Anything else will be deleted and the user will be banned from the thread.

Edited by Maio

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  MistyRonin said:
That piece of news doesn't make any sense.

Indeed! and really, their videos are really so well made, especially that drone flying section.

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- LINK REMOVED -

News report showing LA gang members fighting for the Assad Regime.

I'm sure ISIS will welcome them with open arms if they already haven't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Did5NhrY4nU

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  MistyRonin said:
That piece of news doesn't make any sense.

What about it doesn't make sense?

It's a brilliant piece of work by ISIS, Goebbels would be proud.

It's also very possible that ISIS may stop the beheading's because they've realized that all it does

is make support for the bombings of their members even higher.

Beheading aid workers and journalists just doesn't look good at all even to ISIS supporters

after the beheading video appears then western media will just trot out the videos of people

like David Haines and Alan Henning feeding and caring for Muslim children.

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Alan Henning especially, He's just not someone who looks like a threat to anyone. He's just a likable looking guy.

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Accoding to this

http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/peschmerga-auf-dem-weg-nach-kobane-101.html

80 peshmerga fighters got into Turkey via Turkish airlines. A Convoi of jeeps and Cargo Trucks crossed the Turkey-Iraq border. According to a Peshmerga commander the convoi carries 70 fighters and heavy weapons. What difference can 150 fighters make?

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Depends on what (and how) those 150 fighters strike.

Terrorism was never about superiority in numbers.

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What difference can 150 fighters make?

The question is how many ISIS fighters are in the area for real... but 150 doesnt sound much thats true.

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Fennek, i think you gonna make this thread interesting :D grabbing my pop corn bucket !

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  Fennek said:
The question is how many ISIS fighters are in the area for real... but 150 doesnt sound much thats true.

Almost a month ago the Washington Post did write that around 3000 Kurds are fighting up to 10000 IS militants in Kobane.

http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?183555-Islamic-State-%28ISIS-ISIL%29-Discussion&p=2790742&viewfull=1#post2790742

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  Tonci87 said:
Accoding to this

http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/peschmerga-auf-dem-weg-nach-kobane-101.html

80 peshmerga fighters got into Turkey via Turkish airlines. A Convoi of jeeps and Cargo Trucks crossed the Turkey-Iraq border. According to a Peshmerga commander the convoi carries 70 fighters and heavy weapons. What difference can 150 fighters make?

Take 150 fighters with a basic knowledge of IED's and you let them roam a city. A small amount can do a lot of damage.

Exactly like JonPL said. It's never about numbers, it's what you can do with those numbers that counts.

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( The Guardian ) Obama doubles US troop levels in Iraq for war against Isis

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Pledge to avoid ‘boots on the ground’ strained as 1,500 additional US troops ordered to Iraq to bolster Iraqi and Kurdish forces fighting Islamic State

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( Al Jazeera ) US to deploy 1,500 additional troops to Iraq

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US President Barack Obama has authorised the deployment of up to 1,500 additional troops to Iraq in order to help train and advise government and Kurdish forces fighting the armed Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) group, the White House has said.

"As a part of our strategy for strengthening partners on the ground, President Obama today authorised the deployment of up to 1,500 additional US military personnel in a non-combat role to train, advise, and assist Iraqi Security Forces, including Kurdish forces," the statement said on Friday.

The Obama administration will ask Congress for $5.6bn for the operations in Iraq and Syria, which includes $1.6bn for the new "Iraq Train and Equip Fund," the White House Office of Management and Budget said.

The deployment will roughly double the number of US troops in the country.

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