Multi-optics support?

[BobcatBob 10]

I seem to remember seeing somewhere (maybe the OLD Arma3 website) mentioning this cool feature. Seeing as it has just appeared in VBS2 and that the whole catagorizing of weapons is now indipendant of their varying attachments I was wondering if anyone else has spotted this or not.

[roberthammer 582]

They mean multi optic feature from OA (for example - Acog with Doctor sight) - for VBS2 it is new feature ,because it didn't have it until 1.50 version

[BobcatBob 10]

Okay...I guess no "stacking" optics in A3 :(

[PuFu 4599]

what do you mean by stacking optics?

[BobcatBob 10]

what do you mean by stacking optics?

attaching multiple scopes onto the rail of a gun so that they work together.

[Smurf 12]

Stacking may be going too far:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/09/27/raytheon-elcan-specterhr-and-specterdr/

Alright, isn´t anything exceptional but it looks too much.

[metalcraze 290]

Stacking optics won't add anything to the gameplay that OA doesn't offer already (and ArmA3 will allow you to attach multirole scopes, both fit for CQB and mid-range combat) - it will be just an eye-candy - meaning BIS has other things to spend the time on.

[BobcatBob 10]

nonononoo. Thats NOT what im saying:) I mean you put one scope INFRONT of another so they work SIMULTANIOULSY LIKE AN ACOG AND A TWS so you get the enhanced zoom along with thermal vision. Just look at the VBS2 1.5 features list to know what im talking about.

Edit: Nice pic smurf, made me lol :D

[heroes maker 10]

Stacking may be going too far:

http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/elcan_specter_hd-tm-tfb.jpg

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/09/27/raytheon-elcan-specterhr-and-specterdr/

Alright, isn´t anything exceptional but it looks too much.

yo dawg i heard you like scopes ...

[da12thMonkey 1943]

Wouldn't simply modelling the TI/NV scope as though it's an ACOG with a clip-on sight on the front, achieve this result so long as you also have an option for the ACOG without the clip-on sight?

I've not seen anything in the VBS2 1.5 features that suggests you can clip electro-optics to any weapon sight you like - only that some of the weapons have an option to switch to the combined PVS-14+ACOG.

[CarlGustaffa 4]

@BobcatBob:

TI behind ACOG - you increase the size of the TIs screen pixels. You don't get increased optical zoom, you get a useless digital zoom that serves no purpose.

ACOG behind TI - the ACOG would block thermal input coming to the TI, effectively making it useless.

What would be the purpose of this? Or do I misunderstand the tech? In the case of something more sensible, like magnifier and red dot sight working together, I'm happy with giving the player access to both ACOG and red dot sights instead, especially considering the red dots doesn't provide the real world advantages it's supposed to in the first place.

[roberthammer 582]

On that VBS2 1.5 video - the rifle with thermal sight was L85

TI behind ACOG - you increase the size of the TIs screen pixels. You don't get increased optical zoom, you get a useless digital zoom that serves no purpose.

ACOG behind TI - the ACOG would block thermal input coming to the TI, effectively making it useless.

What would be the purpose of this? Or do I misunderstand the tech? In the case of something more sensible, like magnifier and red dot sight working together, I'm happy with giving the player access to both ACOG and red dot sights instead, especially considering the red dots doesn't provide the real world advantages it's supposed to in the first place.

Look here http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_6_18/254445_Elcanandapos_s_CT_Clip_on_Thermal_Weapon_Device_.html

It works without any problems

[BobcatBob 10]

I think I'll put this idea in the wishlist thread just in case!

[CarlGustaffa 4]

Ok. Guess they wouldn't have made it if it didn't work and serve its purpose :) Still find it a bit weird though, and horribly expensive :p

[Dead3yez 0]

In 2025 all weapon have thermal vision. lol.

I read the title as "multi-orgasm" support.

[roberthammer 582]

In 2025 all weapon have thermal vision. lol.

I read the title as "multi-orgasm" support.

nope - you will need special thermal optic

[Smurf 12]

Again, too far:

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/10/04/bundeswehr-g28-designated-marksman-rifle/

Is this something practical?

[dysta 10]

Is this something practical?

If it works as expected, it doesn't matters.

[roberthammer 582]

Is this something practical?

Yes it is , that additional NV Scope will be used only at night ;)

[da12thMonkey 1943]

Again, too far:

http://cdn5.thefirearmsblog.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/g28_k-tfb.jpg

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/10/04/bundeswehr-g28-designated-marksman-rifle/

Is this something practical?

lol, if you think that's 'excessive' you should acquaint yourself with the SIMRAD KN-200 series night vision system:

That's a big bloody thing to plonk onto your scope.

[Steakslim 1]

@BobcatBob:

TI behind ACOG - you increase the size of the TIs screen pixels. You don't get increased optical zoom, you get a useless digital zoom that serves no purpose.

ACOG behind TI - the ACOG would block thermal input coming to the TI, effectively making it useless.

I think you got those backwards unless you were referring from the shooter's perspective and not the orientation of the weapon. Putting an Acog behind TI is doable, and there's actually types of TI made for that type of use. Here's some examples, most of them using Knight's Armament thermal optics since just about all of them are intended to be used in such fashion:

Simple one of an aimpoint comp m4 mounted behind of a KAC UNS-SR thermal sight.

http://www.knightarmco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/kac19.jpg

Rest are magnified optics mounted with thermal sights. Note: even ACE has this type of setup with one of their HK 416 variants as well using an ACOG, which one of these images also shows.

http://www.knightarmco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Jerome-1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/KAC%20Weapons/IMG_8450.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/IPSC_GUY/IMG_0822.jpg

http://i37.tinypic.com/24vv66x.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v193/EvilKev/KAC%20Weapons/IMG_8445.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/IPSC_GUY/032-3.jpg

http://i51.tinypic.com/flvyw4.jpg

http://www.defensereview.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/KAC_M110_SASS_Carbine_Compact_SR-25_EM_Carbine_NDIA_Small_Arms_Symposium_2011_DefenseReview.com_DR_1.jpg

Edited October 4, 2011 by Steakslim

[Beagle 684]

I do not exspect such flange on optics solution very practical nor Optimal.

Not only will you loose optical quality by all that lenses and air gaps, you can exspect lots of fogging and dusting to... just look at how close the front NV devices Objektive lens is to the muzzle flash diffusor.

In real military you don't need a jack of all trades, it's enough to have one or two special marksman in a group...and for sure I dont want to cary such a behemoth rifle around all the time.

You know, in the real world we add a second man when the job can't be done by one rifleman,..we don't add a second rifle to one man.

Edited October 4, 2011 by Beagle

[160thSOAR 10]

Actually, one of the prime advantages of the M110 SASS, the rifle that is scheduled to replace the M24, is its ability to mount multiple scopes just as the OP is suggesting.

The ability to do this gives operators an advantage that can't really be modeled that well in ArmA3, at least as far as I know. It allows you to just slap a thermal optic in front of the one you already have attached to the weapon, instead of having to exchange day/night sights like you had to with the M24. It provides a far higher level of adaptability to changing situations.

So Beagle, you are incorrect. It is far more practical to add a single scope in front of the first one instead of replacing the previous scope altogether. I believe you were with the Bundswehr (sp?), so you probably know that.

I support this idea and hope it is added into ArmA3.

[Beagle 684]

Actually, one of the prime advantages of the M110 SASS, the rifle that is scheduled to replace the M24, is its ability to mount multiple scopes just as the OP is suggesting.

The ability to do this gives operators an advantage that can't really be modeled that well in ArmA3, at least as far as I know. It allows you to just slap a thermal optic in front of the one you already have attached to the weapon, instead of having to exchange day/night sights like you had to with the M24. It provides a far higher level of adaptability to changing situations.

So Beagle, you are incorrect. It is far more practical to add a single scope in front of the first one instead of replacing the previous scope altogether. I believe you were with the Bundswehr (sp?), so you probably know that.

I support this idea and hope it is added into ArmA3.

Yes I was with the Bundeswehr (like the majority of service fit males back then, that already excluded 30% beeing not fit for service) and we had a lot of imperfect solutions and a lot of much to heavy gear compared to US soldiers in the same timeframe ('93-'95) but to change the Fero Z-24 with a Eltro B8-V does not take more time than flanging a NV or TI device onto the Weaver rail in front of the scope.

But BW gear was made to last, not to be very weight efficient since the BW was a conscript army until this year...so gear had to be as rugged as possible. My personal G3A2 I was isued in '93 had a manufacturng stamp from 1971...and was still in very good shape.

Edited October 5, 2011 by Beagle

[CarlGustaffa 4]

http://www.knightarmco.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Jerome-1.jpg

This setup doesn't work "in my mind" :p Doesn't the scope simply zoom into a TV screen, just making pixels bigger, and thus doesn't improve anything at all? Also, wouldn't the scope have to support some really extreme near focus capabilities to focus on that screen?

I'm not doubting that it works (wouldn't have made it otherwise), just find it a bit unnatural. So, how does it work?

Oh wait, maybe the IR resolution is quite bad, but you still get the other benefits from the sight? Like mil dot markings for range estimations etc, just with a bad IR image compared to what we're getting in Arma?