andreas1183 10 Posted September 10, 2011 its nice but im not sure about that with the enemy's but it's nice in multiplayer to get a more nice uniform than a rambo uniform in multiplayer! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JakeWed 10 Posted September 10, 2011 Well, if you already know Arabic, then that's a Plus to you, its just that everyone else has to learn some basic stuff in Arabic, Basic Questions could be taught in a Tutorial (I mean, your Special Forces, Why wouldn't they teach you some basic's of the guys your going up against?) Of course, A New Iranian Dialect could be made, just adaptions of Arabic to be used, so Arabic Speaking people dont have so much of a advantage But Race of your guy will be essential the way I see if, Being some really White guy in a crowd of Tanner Iranians, I think they would notice pretty fast. This could be Counted by just having faces Locked to each Side, so in the Player Options, a NATO, Iranian and Greek Face/Voice can be chosen The weapons would also have to be factored as, as Previously Said back a bit. Having a Modern M16A5 or whatever NATO will be using in a crowd of Militia will raise an eyebrow or two Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Archosaurusrev 12 Posted September 10, 2011 Seems a bit stupid and uneccessary to me. I agree. It seems too...un realistic. I dunno, maybe some super secret SF organisation really does this... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roberthammer 582 Posted September 10, 2011 I agree.It seems too...un realistic. I dunno, maybe some super secret SF organisation really does this... Why you think it is unrealistic? This method was used in WW2 many times - to fool the enemy Of course the enemy should somehow detect the "Spy" - maybe with talking with you or something like that (heh hitman style xD) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rye1 22 Posted September 10, 2011 Look a Brit SAS in North Africa, they did it to the Germans - even stopping at checkpoints with a fluent German speaker. And look at IDF SF and other agencies that still do it. Who cares. :p It'll be fun, if you don't want to use it, then don't. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Archosaurusrev 12 Posted September 10, 2011 Why you think it is unrealistic?This method was used in WW2 many times - to fool the enemy Of course the enemy should somehow detect the "Spy" - maybe with talking with you or something like that (heh hitman style xD) I thought using enemy uniforms is just a movie/ omg super 1337 speshul forcas thing :/. I have never heard of a confirmed case of using an enemy uniform, propably why I thought its stupid... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rye1 22 Posted September 10, 2011 Read books. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sidney_Reilly Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
icebreakr 3159 Posted September 10, 2011 American & UK special forces use the civil clothes all the time to act undercover... and its much easier in the world where you can wear a head scarf ;) Same goes for undercover police, Croatian investigators usually wear a "havaji" shirt and shorts when working at the seaside. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
paecmaker 23 Posted September 10, 2011 This is taken from wikipedia about the laws of war Impersonating soldiers of the other side by wearing the enemy's uniform, and fighting in that uniform, is forbidden, as is the taking of hostages. link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_humanitarian_law But I doubt that they would work as its a ww and chaos. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rye1 22 Posted September 10, 2011 Lol. So? Rules are for breaking. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Caselius 94 Posted September 10, 2011 Using enemy uniforms ain't SF only thing, German SS troops were disguised as American soldiers in WW2 and they even had a tank brigade with US vehicles and modified Stugs and Panthers looking like American vehicles. The name of the operation was "Operation Greif" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daniel 0 Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) I think there's a bit of a line between real world examples of deception and what we saw happen in the Arma 3 video; almost instantly swapping all clothing and equipment for that of a dead soldier before waltzing into an enemy camp unmolested. I'm sure it will become more complex a feature, but I can't say I like the concept. For example, Special Forces might choose to wear indigenous clothing to gain more respect from the locals and to draw less attention to themselves than regular soldiers - not necessarily so that they can walk among their enemy undetected. The same goes for using enemy uniform and vehicles - it's done to give you an element of surprise, to make your opponents hesitate. If Arma 3 can do this then fair enough, but I don't like the idea of walking around undetected, especially for multiplayer purposes. I never really saw the series as an espionage based one and i'm not sure I buy the idea of "additional tactical flexibility" in stealing enemy uniforms. Edited September 10, 2011 by Daniel Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Beagle 684 Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) I don't want to spoil your party, but article 39 of the genve convention does not allow the use of signs or uniforms a a enemy or even neutral nation. Doing so means you will loose the status as regular soldier and you can be persecuted as spy...meaning the geneve does not work for you and you clearly broke an article. Edited September 10, 2011 by Beagle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Archosaurusrev 12 Posted September 10, 2011 American & UK special forces use the civil clothes all the time to act undercover... and its much easier in the world where you can wear a head scarf ;)Same goes for undercover police, Croatian investigators usually wear a "havaji" shirt and shorts when working at the seaside. I know civilian clothes are used all the time but I didn't know enemy uniform use was so common. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b101_uk 10 Posted September 10, 2011 I know civilian clothes are used all the time but I didn't know enemy uniform use was so common. But if it is done in a country you do not occupy in full thus make the rules then you lose your rights as regular soldier and thus are a spy if the wrong side gets you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nodunit 397 Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) Pardon but why are we still using OUR rules in the armaverse? Sure we are bound by generva convention but this is a game and an alternate universe entirerly. I do hope they add detection mechanics though, having to say strangle an opponent to get a clean uniform over bloodying it up would be great, as well as a proximity detection similar to what MGS 2 had..if you strayed too close to a guard or patrol he would notice something off and start examining you closer, after a certain time they would realise you weren't one of them and sound the alarm. A few other possible mechanics to add to the mission tension and depth would be great too, not necessarily always there but the ability..imagine having to "relieve" a few certain people of uniforms, certain ones allowed in certain levels of security area or vehicles, where anything below would be denied. Likewise running recklessly would rouse suspicion pending on awareness, afterall why would one guy just be running around like a crazed madman when there is no combat at hand. Edited September 10, 2011 by NodUnit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
b101_uk 10 Posted September 10, 2011 Pardon but why are we still using OUR rules in the armaverse? Sure we are bound by generva convention but this is a game and an alternate universe entirerly. :rolleyes: Some of us are planning ahead to ArmA 7 where we may be captured and placed in a POW camp (rather than summarily executed as a spy), then we spend 6 months planning our escape, 2 years digging tunnels etc whereupon we escape causing inconvenience in attempts to recapture, some of us will make it hundreds of km back to our own lines before reequipping and fighting back and its all done in real time in a persistent armaverse! ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Archosaurusrev 12 Posted September 10, 2011 The geneva convention states that .50 caliber ammunition can not be used. Who gives a fuck about that, or using enemy uniforms anyway? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
[asa]oden 0 Posted September 10, 2011 The geneva convention states that .50 caliber ammunition can not be used.Who gives a fuck about that, or using enemy uniforms anyway? Man, you're so awesome. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
viper[cww] 14 Posted September 10, 2011 If you take the uniform of an enemy officer you should be able to order enemy units around. ;) aha now that would be funny, you there jump of that cliff, 2 moving, 2 dead LAWL +1 ODEN.. he is awesome... :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Archosaurusrev 12 Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) Do I sence sarcasm? :p Anyways, I meant using .50 caliber ammunition against people. No one even follows that rule. :L Edited September 10, 2011 by Archosaurusrev Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmarkwick 261 Posted September 10, 2011 Seems like almost any new feature is met by hostile suspicion :) Completely agree. I'm actually disappointed in this feature for two reasons:1) This is a MilSim game. Why not leave the gamey features to Call of Duty and Modern Warfare. Hate to break it to the developers, but sneaking around an enemy installation wearing a stolen uniform is mostly a Hollywood gimmick. In the past (and occasionally in the present) when enemy uniforms were used the teams would already be wearing them or at the very least carrying them with them into the mission. They didn't go into the mission with the plan being "We're going to shoot these guys and take their uniforms and hope no one notices the large amount of blood, holes, and quite possibly improperly fitting boots, trousers, and so forth". The meat of ArmA is never the campaign. The campaign is always a game. 2) This is a the feature you choose to highlight and show off? Just about any scripter from the ArmA 2 community could have had that scripted and bug tested within a day. If that is rated amongst the most revolutionary features BI has to offer with the third installment I feel we're in for what amounts to another add-on with a graphics boost. If you feel any scripter can make this happen, then you're not understanding it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
HyperU2 11 Posted September 10, 2011 Do I sence sarcasm?:p Anyways, I meant using .50 caliber ammunition against people. No one even follows that rule. :L It's not really on the list. That's a long standing myth. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Archosaurusrev 12 Posted September 10, 2011 It's not really on the list. That's a long standing myth. And you know that from? Sauce, nao. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites