ARMA 2 (OA) : DLC discussion thread

[Jelliz 10]

The domestic beer market is strong, and the current CEO, Jakub Vrána, is confident that, ultimately, the quality of the product will compensate for the lack of slick advertising

BIS answer to the people who thinks they are not advertising their product enough?

While other companies may boast to have the most realistic simulation of our product, there is no substitute for the real thing.

WIN.

EDIT: Good to see that BIS also recognises how wildly superior Czech beer is:shine:

Edited June 17, 2010 by Jelliz

[Muahaha 10]

We obviously need to look at different business models, and evaluate the most appropriate ways of getting our very popular product to market. Sometimes these moves can spark controversy; sometimes it's justified, sometimes it isn't. Ultimately, Our loyal customers need to appreciate that the company has always put the consumer at the heart of its business choices, and that is certainly not something that is going to change"

Seems like this statement is BIS's plight to us on their needs to counter piracy by producing DLCs to sustain their business...

Well... like it or not, DLCs seems to be the answer for BIS to sustain profitability.

Hope I am reading this right....:D

[CHB68 10]

I will pay what ever BI wants for a bug free, stable and smooth performing Armed Assault 2 or Operation Arrowhead version with an up to date graphic engine and netcode ! Honestly, I expected this already at the release of ArmA2 (aka Patch 1.16 final), but a least with the release of Operation Arrowhead.....

Let's face it; this will never happen ! :( Therefore I'm not willing to spend a single cent for any DLC. All "nice to have" DLC will utilize manpower resources badly needed to fix bugs or improve the game that we already paid for ! I fear that the more money they will generate with DLC the less support we will receive.

Take a look at UBISOFT's Silent Hunter V disaster. Seems that they were more interested to create a DRM and DLC system instead of creating a game. I returned my copy as I believe that quality has to be paid, and greed has to be punished. We pay for it, so we can affect it !

my2cent ;)

[jw custom 56]

Let's face it; this will never happen ! :( Therefore I'm not willing to spend a single cent for any DLC. All "nice to have" DLC will utilize manpower resources badly needed to fix bugs or improve the game that we already paid for ! I fear that the more money they will generate with DLC the less support we will receive.

Yes BIS is known for not supporting their products... :j:

[CHB68 10]

You should read my post carefully instead of becoming subjective. I did not say that "BIS is known for not supporting their products" !

[dm 9]

All "nice to have" DLC will utilize manpower resources badly needed to fix bugs or improve the game

Yes, because once again, the guys that make the new content - tanks, trucks, islands, weapons, people - are the same guys that fix engine/design bugs :j:

(Just in case you didnt get the sarcasm in that: the artists, whilst they may have to fix artwork bugs, have little to no other work to do after game release. They're not involved in bugfixing engine code, or mission design and scripting or whatever. They make artwork, its why they're called artists)

Edited June 17, 2010 by DM
spelling ::)

[jw custom 56]

You should read my post carefully instead of becoming subjective. I did not say that "BIS is known for not supporting their products" !

I never said you said that, those were my sarcastic words!

[TomatoArden 0]

Surely if the guys (who fix bugs) are earning extra income from dlcs etc, then theyll have more of an imputus to fix bugs so people are more likely to buy the dlcs

[Maio 293]

You should read my post carefully instead of becoming subjective. I did not say that "BIS is known for not supporting their products" !

If BIS is considering a DLC , it means that they have a plan that will not affect in a major way their patch development . It would be very risky to stretch to much and " drop support " for Arma 2/OA and BIS knows it . And even if the rate that patches come out slows down once the DLC is in the works , I'm sure BIS will include something in it to make up for it .

My 2 cents on the matter .

[That guy 10]

i would like to know the source you guys have for BIS buying models from the community?

[CHB68 10]

2:0 for sarcasm ;)

We obviously need to look at different business models, and evaluate the most appropriate ways of getting our very popular product to market.

They should have done this already prior to the release to ArmA2. As I said, quality has to be paid, and I'm willing to pay any amount for a stable and smooth performing Armed Assault 2 or Operation Arrowhead version with an up to date graphic engine and netcode ! After that, I will consider to purchase any DLC as I'm the customer and not responsible for any manpower surplus or planing at BI. One little example...

The actual BETA 71548 makes ArmA2 hopefully compatible with my 64bit OS and 8GB of RAM. Good to hear, two weeks prior to the relase of OA..... but when will ArmA2 or OA take advantage of 8GB RAM ?

Our loyal customers need to appreciate that the company has always put the consumer at the heart of its business choices, and that is certainly not something that is going to change"

Call me a naysayer, but I have heard the same from UBISOFT official when they announced Silent Hunter V. ;)

Don't get me wrong ! IMO BI should consider to improve the game instead of offering DLC....that all I wanna say.

[glowbal 13]

IMO BI should consider to improve the game instead of offering DLC....that all I wanna say.

No doubt they will do both. Improve the game, through patches most likely. Perhaps new features as well. And offering DLC.

[SASrecon 0]

i would like to know the source you guys have for BIS buying models from the community?

http://www.aan-online.com/en/europe/26-chernarussian-beer-export-market-stagnates.html

[jw custom 56]

Don't get me wrong ! IMO BI should consider to improve the game instead of offering DLC....that all I wanna say.

They are improving it all the time, you mentioned the latest beta patch so i doubt you have missed all the other patches and their change logs...

[W0lle 1052]

Call me a naysayer, but I have heard the same from UBISOFT official when they announced Silent Hunter V.

I see. Yes definitely you can compare the behavior and customer relations from BIS with Ubisoft.

Don't get me wrong ! IMO BI should consider to improve the game instead of offering DLC....that all I wanna say.

They improve the game already, or what do you think from where that beta patches are coming you were talking about in the same post?

It's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. But OK we taken note that you won't buy DLC until you get a new engine, that is no problem at all.

[That guy 10]

I have gone through the aan article, and cant find anything that can be interpreted as "we bought some gun/soldier/vic models from modders/community members" as some people have claimed with all the confirmed certainty the internet can muster.

Additionally, people have made that claim long before the article was published. I am just curious how some people came to that conclusion, or is there is some post somewhere on this form from a dev stating they made such a purchase.

The aan however, was a helarious, and insightful few into the way BIS is operated :D

[CHB68 10]

It's obvious you have no idea what you are talking about. But OK we taken note that you won't buy DLC until you get a new engine, that is no problem at all.

Yes Sir, thank you Sir !

Sorry, I thought this is a "DLC discussion thread" and not "shut the fuck up if you have an other opinion thread". Who made you the moderator ? The same man who wrote...

Our loyal customers need to appreciate that the company has always put the consumer at the heart of its business choices, and that is certainly not something that is going to change"

[Big Dawg KS 6]

As I said, quality has to be paid, and I'm willing to pay any amount for a stable and smooth performing Armed Assault 2 or Operation Arrowhead version with an up to date graphic engine and netcode ! After that, I will consider to purchase any DLC as I'm the customer and not responsible for any manpower surplus or planing at BI. One little example...

This right here tells me you have no idea what you're talking about. You demand a lot of work from BIS but then say you will not buy the DLC which is what will fund such development? You don't seem to understand that it's the DLC which is supporting further development of the game; not the other way around.

[maddogx 13]

Yes Sir, thank you Sir !

Sorry, I thought this is a "DLC discussion thread" and not "shut the fuck up if you have an other opinion thread". Who made you the moderator ? The same man who wrote...

Nobody told you to shut up. They just told you that your "opinion" is uninformed and based on false assumptions.

[Big Dawg KS 6]

Sorry, I thought this is a "DLC discussion thread" and not "shut the fuck up if you have an other opinion thread". Who made you the moderator ? The same man who wrote...

And with that you're not helping your situation... :j:

[CHB68 10]

And with that you're not helping your situation... :j:

What situation ? I'm not in trouble or am I ? :)

Originally Posted by MadDogX View Post

"Gentlemen, you can't have useless discussions here! This is the internet!"

[Fiya 10]

What situation ? I'm not in trouble or am I ? :)

*Responding to your other posts*

Yes we could all just stop supporting BIS through DLC, so that UNIQUE GAMES LIKE THIS, disappear. After all these are high risk low reward games and the mainstream 'genre' games have been the most successful business model known in the gaming world. They develop great engines for poor-average games that are all very similar and do not actually 'improve' much.

I support this game for a reason. You may say this engine is crap/netcode is garbage. Then again I haven't seen a another game pull off what this one can. DLC is welcome, and this sounds like it will improve the game aswell. Don't worry I'll keep punishing BIS to make more games with my monies if you leave. Games have problems, especially when it doesn't come from a ridiculously huge developer like R* or EA. Take a look at some of the STALKER games. Even more bug riddled than Arma. And they are some of the greatest games in the genre.

Go pay for one of those CoD games. I heard they improve each game a ton. Watch out though, since they change so much with each game there is alot of bugs.:rolleyes:

[ProfTournesol 956]

*Responding to your other posts*

Yes we could all just stop supporting BIS through DLC, so that UNIQUE GAMES LIKE THIS, disappear. After all these are high risk low reward games and the mainstream 'genre' games have been the most successful business model known in the gaming world. They develop great engines for poor-average games that are all very similar and do not actually 'improve' much.

I support this game for a reason. You may say this engine is crap/netcode is garbage. Then again I haven't seen a another game pull off what this one can. DLC is welcome, and this sounds like it will improve the game aswell. Don't worry I'll keep punishing BIS to make more games with my monies if you leave. Games have problems, especially when it doesn't come from a ridiculously huge developer like R* or EA. Take a look at some of the STALKER games. Even more bug riddled than Arma. And they are some of the greatest games in the genre.

Go pay for one of those CoD games. I heard they improve each game a ton. Watch out though, since they change so much with each game there is alot of bugs.:rolleyes:

Wise words :)

[W0lle 1052]

Yes Sir, thank you Sir !

Sorry, I thought this is a "DLC discussion thread" and not "shut the fuck up if you have an other opinion thread". Who made you the moderator ? The same man who wrote...

Tell me where I told you to "shut the fuck up if you have an other opinion".

All I told you is that we've taken note that you won't buy any DLC from BIS, not more not less.

Who made me moderator and why is definitely not your business.

[NoRailgunner 0]

Somehow there is only a very little info about what BIS are planning and like to release.

Imho it would be better if BIS could step out and say something "<A> stuff is intended for free DLC and <B> stuff is scheduled for paid DLC".