ARMA 2 (OA) : DLC discussion thread

[Herr_kalashnikov 10]

To bad it seems there can't be a decent discussion between different point of views in here, without posting lame pictures and resorting to power terms like retarded etc.

I thought this was a so called mature community.

Doubt BIS is waiting for this kind of feedback

[Zipper5 74]

I think there's a difference between giving feedback and posting exaggerated, superlative-filled posts claiming that it could be the end of modding for these games. To be honest we don't need either the pictures or said exclamations, but what else are we going to do to combat such idiocy? Simply saying "that's not going to happen because of x legitimate, fact-based reason" doesn't seem to work anymore, there's always someone else who comes along to start it all up again...

Edited June 16, 2010 by Zipper5

[Tonci87 163]

Many of you know the Total war series. Creative Assemblys Games have been very modding friendly until Empire was released. Why did they change it? Well they had the brilliant Idea of releasing DLCs, so they cut modding. This has happend to almost any company who started this crap.

Youst to say "Come on, this is BIS, they will never do something like that" is stupid

This is exactly the same what for example the Total war Community said when CA told them about releasing DLCs for their next game (Empire). YOu can´t imagine the giant shitstorm after Release

I doubt that this will happen to OA, but im unsure about Arma 3

[pathetic_berserker 4]

To bad it seems there can't be a decent discussion between different point of views in here, without posting lame pictures and resorting to power terms like retarded etc.

I thought this was a so called mature community.

Doubt BIS is waiting for this kind of feedback

Looks like quite a reasonable discussion to me, its usual for banter to go back and forth till all opinions are understood, and this forum has a LOT of opinions.

[Schancky 10]

Shall we steer this thread back to DLC?

[dm 9]

Shall we steer this thread back to DLC?

Sadly it sort of is. Theres 3 camps:

We're ok with it and will accept it.

We hate it because it will kill modding (zomg no MLODs)

We hate it because we have to pay for it and it will "divide" the "community"

All of which are quite vocal about things.

[pathetic_berserker 4]

Till we see what BIS has to offer we wont know which camp is right.

Personaly I hope they make any real features part of the paid DLC. People are more likely to pay for features.

And it would be a shame to have free features paid for by a few folks buying great addons or campaigns wich are not actually used because the rest of the community cant be bothered a'la QG.

[DaveP 66]

I'm going to wait and see what they add; If it's just units and some missions I probably won't be so sure (but likely buy it anyway), but if each also added in some kind of gameplay feature (eg. firing out of vehicles, expanded HC module) then I'd definitely buy.

That's a bit optimistic though.

No doubt that the community has been somewhat spoiled by the huge range of free content that's been offered to us either directly from BIS in their patches, or indirectly through their opening up of the game to modification

[SnR 1]

Where can i pay to download these great face palm picures :p

[Pain0815 10]

I think too they could handle that like vbs.

They bring out content patches like usual and from time to time they realease big modules.

Modules include maybe new factions and islands

or there will be a modul only for modders and mappers with a better 3d editor or better tools to make stuff for arma.

That way users can decide what they need for themselves and this way the community can still bring up mods, missions campaigns and stuff.

[STALKERGB 6]

Yeah if the DLC added gameplay features I'd be more inclined to buy it than if it was just new infantry, tanks, airplanes and so on.

I'd be happy with say, a free helicopter and tank but then pay for DLC which had new gameplay features that complemented those new units (as well as the old ones if applicable). Either way I reckon its just gonna be a case of waiting and seeing.

We hate it because it will kill modding (zomg no MLODs)

Lol true that!

Where can i pay to download these great face palm picures

I can sell facepalm pictures for many many $$$$'s

[Engioc 10]

My only comments with regards to DLC is that I believe its often just a poor excuse for holding back content and I hate that. Having said that clearly BI have not held anything back as its a new idea for them. If your going to offer DLC make it worth while, pay attention to R* because I believe they offer worthwhile and reasonable amount of content in their DLC......also pay attention to companies like Ubisoft and their laughable attempts at DLC for Assassins Creed 2, it's so small and clearly they just held stuff back in AC2 so they could make people pay a bit extra. Ubisoft and other companies who jumped on the DLC band wagon, after R* started it with GTA4, are a joke and little more than a poor attempt to screw their customers a second or third time over.

So make it worth while if you go with making some DLC.

[cossack8559 10]

I would happily pay for a British Challenger 2 tank... i know we have a mod out but its quite poor in quality to be honest... and i would love a Brit tank and some decent troops for the desert terrain.

Make it happen BIS :bigglasses:

[EBass 0]

As far as I'm concerned the only thing I'd be interested in paying for would be British troops, or a new campaign with a decent length.

I'd pay £10 for a full British forces mod with another 5 for a mini British campaign or 10 for a full campaign.

[Big Dawg KS 6]

I'm shocked that nobody mentioned new islands/terrains. IMO that's the one thing that BIS can really do a lot better and more efficiently than the community.

Here's to hoping that the majority of paid DLC is nice new quality islands.

[CarlGustaffa 4]

Oh I do, believe me I do. You have no idea how many missions I trashed because either I was not happy with them or because they were no more working (or even loadable) all of the sudden.

Hehe, was kind of expecting that response :p

[DaveP 66]

I'm shocked that nobody mentioned new islands/terrains. IMO that's the one thing that BIS can really do a lot better and more efficiently than the community.

Here's to hoping that the majority of paid DLC is nice new quality islands.

New islands are nice, but really all you need is one or two big, high quality ones and the needs of almost any mission are fulfilled; I know personally I'm still using Chenarus for any number of different scenarios and it fulfills them well; put together with the new OA maps almost any need that you could want (apart from jungle combat, but the game just isn't suited to fighting in built up vegetation) will be fulfilled by the vanilla maps.

Forest, desert, mountainous, temperate, towns, villages, western style cities, middle eastern style cities, ports, islands, airfields, forward bases

If I had any specific want for what to be making, it would be less new units, more game 'expansion', like gameplay modules and the like; the community can make new guns and units and vehicles and planes until the cows come home, but we can't add any of the big functionality that we've been wanting for

[Big Dawg KS 6]

New islands are nice, but really all you need is one or two big, high quality ones and the needs of almost any mission are fulfilled

I guess I just have a bigger imagination than you. :)

I love Chernarus, but imagine the fun we'd have if we had 10 different islands of the same caliber.

[dm 9]

imagine the fun we'd have if we had 10 different islands of the same caliber.

Also imagine how long it would take to make 10 islands of that caliber.

Sahrani took a team of 5 - 10 guys, working 8 hours a day, 5 days a week, well over a year, as did Chenarus.

Its a cool idea, but I wouldnt get too excited about DLC's containing lots of new islands, they're just too big of a project to take on quickly.

[Big Dawg KS 6]

Its a cool idea, but I wouldnt get too excited about DLC's containing lots of new islands, they're just too big of a project to take on quickly.

I realize this, and 10 is not a realistic number. But if they do plan on releasing islands as DLC they could potentially charge quite a bit more for it and I'd still be willing. As you said, a lot goes into BIS making quality islands. I'd be happy just for 1 or 2 new islands over the course of the next couple of years. Islands last longer too, that is they have the most potential use out of any new content, so people wouldn't "get bored" of them as quickly as new units (though maybe BIS wants that so they can sell more DLC).

Edited June 16, 2010 by Big Dawg KS

[Elric de Melnibone 10]

I don't mind DLC for ArmA and will most likely buy it - As long as the compability online is guaranteed.

One thing they could really screw up is splitting the already not so gigantic (Judging by servers, correct me if I'm wrong) multiplayer community with DLC that won't work with people that only own the retail game.

But I'm in a positive mood, so I'm willing to believe that BIS will not screw that up.

[SASrecon 0]

I don't mind DLC for ArmA and will most likely buy it - As long as the compability online is guaranteed.

One thing they could really screw up is splitting the already not so gigantic (Judging by servers, correct me if I'm wrong) multiplayer community with DLC that won't work with people that only own the retail game.

But I'm in a positive mood, so I'm willing to believe that BIS will not screw that up.

lmfao a perfect example of what BIS shouldn't do is the 'Infinitiward-style screwing-over the people who didn't buy the map-pack'.

[Elric de Melnibone 10]

Precisely.

[W0lle 1050]

One thing they could really screw up is splitting the already not so gigantic (Judging by servers, correct me if I'm wrong) multiplayer community with DLC that won't work with people that only own the retail game.

And one more time we have the "oh that will split the community zomg zomg" discussion.

If a server is using (paid) DLC in one of his missions, how should BIS achieve that a player who does not have this (paid) DLC is not screwed? Automatically give him the DLC without paying so he is not screwed and can join the server?

Of course people will be screwed if they don't have a (paid) DLC a server is using. Paid DLC most probably will come, no matter how many here complain about "splitting the community".

[sander 14]

If the distribution costs of an expansion disc are prohibitively high, paid for DLC would in my opinion be a good alternative. The preference remains for a shiny DVD in a box, but if the DLC can be put on a data device of my own and allows reinstallation after changing PC I would be happy to get extra content from the developers. The inclusion of at least some extra free goodies with a patch is a tradition that ought to be upheld as well.

As for splitting the community and preventing missions from being played it is the same as for the use of addons in a mission. It takes little extra effort to turn any mission with addons into one using the default units. Differences in camouflage pattern, pouches and type of assault rifle are unlikely to make or break a mission.

Regards,

Sander