Bad things about Arma2

[Zipper5 74]

what about making it compulsory to join a human squad?

No, because, again, that limits the creativity a mission maker can have.

People, please understand. The thing that makes these games great is their freedom. Sure, it causes people to screw around, but that's a small price to pay for such unprecedented freedom. Don't take that away from the game. It will losing something significant that distinguishes BIS' games from the rest of the industry.

[-RIP- Luhgnut 10]

To all those who tell me to switch off the crosshairs or play in a different server or join a clan or design my own mission or buy a new computer and run my own private server or stop complaining or only play singleplayer or people who think I'm a noob and think that ArmA2 is great the way it is....

I would like to hear why NO ONE'S PLAYING THIS GAME!

Here we go... NO ONES playing. You can't be even remotely serious. I have no problem finding a server that is up, and running as a team, in whatever style I feel like at the time. Again another generality.

[njmatrix 2]

I don't know there's servers up but not alot of players or various game styles to choose from.

[ProfTournesol 956]

- BIS is wasting their time concentrating efforts on AI development, the FUTURE is more HUMAN players on a server. Nobody WANTS to play against AI. It's just that the map is EMPTY.

Bad things about ArmA2 are new comers trying to teach us what this game should be about.

[Aelin 10]

bad thing:they provide good patches yeah but full of errors

[kklownboy 43]

bad thing:they provide good patches yeah but full of errors

i fixed it for you:

bad thing:they provide good patches yeah but full of errors for me

[Aelin 10]

i fixed it for you:

and I refix it for both me and you:

the patches are full of errors for me and for many other players,just search

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ah yeah and I add:which game is so crazy to work in such different ways on 2 ONLY lines of hardware and 1 only os?

[Thirdup 0]

Thank friggin GOD BIS doesn't actually listen to these "everyone should be forced to play it the way I want" people like the OP.

[Yoma 0]

Maybe the forums need a "Cry corner" where we can put threads like these.

And a setting, 'don't show "Cry corner"' in user profile.

Then put that setting on by default if user is member over 3 years.

[Aelin 10]

AHAHHAHAHAAHHA,are you crazy?or blind?there is a thread about the "satisfaction" with arma 2,look at the results,thank to God bis is old enough to listen to its customers..

[TheBigOne_014 16]

I've just read the 1st page,...

And i assume this is a joke,... allmoust everything mangoforlife is agains, are things he can change in his game configurations.

What is there more to say,... or he has an IQ lower than 0 or this is a joke. Seriouslly i'm not joking he is complainig moustly about configuration options, that he can change any time!!!! Like tuning off the crosshair...

Oh,... and if i don't have internet,... i'll go on a campain,... but i'll play agains some rabbits as cows,... and kill some cars,...

BIS is wasting their time concentrating efforts on AI development, the FUTURE is more HUMAN players on a server. Nobody WANTS to play against AI. It's just that the map is EMPTY.

Oh,... and if i have internet,... well i'll put a map on a server and wait for someone to appear so i can have some fun, and if i get killed 1st i'll have to reboot the server because i don't have unlimited lives,... its reality.

- Respawns/Lives should be restricted & limited. On all game modes. THAT'S Realism.

This must have to be a joke!!!!

Edited October 22, 2009 by Nuno Basto

[Thirdup 0]

The point is that ArmA2 can be played any way the customer WANTS to play it. If there are more people enjoying EVO/DOMI run-and-gun coop games, does that mean that EVERYONE should be forced to play run-and-gun coop? Nope. Same works in reverse. Just because somebody wants more realism doesn't give them the right to demand it be forced down everyone else's throats.

BI designed their game to be flexible.

They (nor the community) don't need the ego-shooters or reality-elitist coming in here and telling everyone else how the game should be played. If you want realism, load a reality mod. If you want to run-and-gun, by all means play it that way. That's the beauty of BI games.

Edited October 22, 2009 by Thirdup

[mrcash2009 0]

Something cryptic for you all ...

Ever watched the film Donnie Darko? Did anyone like the directors cut edition?

If you liked the directors cut then dont play Arma ... If you preferred the original version then Arma is for you :)

[Aelin 10]

ya cryptic..another movie?(maybe a better one now)

[BeerHunter 0]

I would like to hear why NO ONE'S PLAYING THIS GAME!

You my friend live in a fantasy world apparently.

Loads are enjoying the SP/Co Op aspect of ArmA2 with friends rather than the meandering idiots that populate online game servers now , and I'm NOT just talking about ArmA2 here..they infest everywhere. CS.DoD . BF2 . PRM . etc. etc. I'm thinking the golden years of online gaming have been and gone and now it's a steady decline into the abyss of hell.

Anyway , the majority of us don't have the time nor inclination to "squad up" in a clan and ArmA2 doesn't lend itself well to a one or two hour online diversion. The AI can be far more intelligent than a lot of human players so I for one will stick with them.

[-RIP- Luhgnut 10]

I don't know there's servers up but not alot of players or various game styles to choose from.

Then put one up! Make some missions and have a go at it. Don't wait for someone to just "come up with the perfect mission" you like.

I'm making a series of missions that can be played as a campaign or independently both co-op and single player. May do multi-but my scripting skills need work.

[lee_h._oswald 0]

Bad thing about ArmA2 is, that we have a little lan party today and we are NOT playing ArmA2.

Why? Because nobody has this game(just me..).

They don't even think about buying this game, and the more frightening thing, they don't even think about downloading a cracked version of ArmA2.

And this is not because of FADE(they don't know such thing excist), it's because of all the bad things they heard/read about this game.

Normally I would tell them about the good things and show them how good arma2 can be.

I did this with ArmA1 and failed...

Only the hardcore fans are willing to wait ~1 or 2 years to get a finished/working game and using community made fixes during this time.

MfG Lee :(

P.S. Instead I have to play battlefield2 and crysis ...

[Herbal Influence 10]

Oh .. I would really be pissed off to have to play other thing than Arma2.

I can fully understand.

I lost some coplayers due to the hardware intensiveness of Arma2.

They continue with OFP.

At last they will be "back" when they have new hardware in a year or so.

Perhaps get in an Arma2 - clan not to become childish? ;-))

And tell them: BI games are like good red wine: The longer they live the better they are.

I just recently asked a cogamer to install the beta-patches ... I still hear his enthusiasted voice ringing in my ears ... :-)

Let them drink limo all the time and see them avoiding adulthood ... ;-)

Edited October 23, 2009 by Herbal Influence
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[VanhA-ICON 11]

- Respawns/Lives should be restricted & limited. On all game modes. THAT'S Realism.

I don't need realism, that's what I have to endure with at job and so forth every day.A break from realism in moderate proportions, that's what I need.

In many coop missions one can choose amount of lives available so that should be fine for hc gamers.

Shit, I'm a father of a 3 year old boy... I can play scarcely once a week with my squad m8s. When I have that time, I want to enjoy it and not grind my teeth and start trashing the place 'cos missus won't like it. :rolleyes:

What I love about revives is that it gives your friends an option to show they care about you when coming to rescue you under heavy fire. THAT's friendship.

I'll choose friendship over realism.

[OH-58-FL-Pilot 10]

Its kinda funny, I play this "game" to get away from the realities of work and life.

I personally think BIS did a tremendous job at keeping it challenging, real enough and fun enough for those who have actually had a chance to fire the arms depicted in the game that we can enjoy it.

The AI is actually very smart and I prefer it over a lot of my online experience.

In fact with some of the small AI mods this game has become incredible in terms of pulling me away from life and the horrors that exist in it.

And lughnut - damn right about Jessica Rabbit :P

Edited October 23, 2009 by OH-58-FL-Pilot

[MangoForLife 10]

Suprisingly, another point I agree with. ;-) But that brings us back to an earlier question - apart from just stopping all the game types you think are 'wrong' what do you think is the most productive way to get more people to play the game ?

Go Hardcore. As long as you have all these things available (MHQ, Endless Respawns, Unlocked Versions, Imaginary Crosshairs etc' etc' etc') MOST players will be using them. That's the way the game is today - And NOBODY'S PLAYING IT!

I think the way forward is to make the game more CHALLENGING. I don't think that if all these silly things that i've mentioned were removed it would hurt the freedom of the game . Mission makers will still make missions, and people will still be able to find ways to have their Run & Gun fun.

People LIKE a challenge. I've had the opportunity to be on servers that were full of people, playing on an easier setting, which then was switched to a harder setting. 99% of the players were like - "Oh! This is so much more fun! We don't have an MHQ now, we need to rely on eachother!" or "Lets work as a TEAM and Revive eachother!"

Going into specifics with you guys, as i've learned, just confuses the issue. What balances could be made, what could be kept & what for sure needs to be gone I agree is a matter for detailed analysis, ok not everyone wants it as hardcore as me. But imo the way forward is DEFINETLY to make ArmA HARDER and more CHALLENGING. If we WANT more people to play this game...

And all you guys who think things are fine the way they are now, who ENJOY being part of this small exclusive community, or who think that ALOT of people ARE playing ArmA2... You and me just have a different outlook on life.

Edited October 23, 2009 by MangoForLife

[-RIP- Luhgnut 10]

Oh .. I would really be pissed off to have to play other thing then Arma2.

I can fully understand.

I lost some coplayers due to the hardware intensiveness of Arma2.

They continue with OFP.

At last they will be "back" when they have new hardware in a year or so.

Perhaps get in an Arma2 - clan not to become childish? ;-))

And tell them: BI games are like good red wine: The longer they live the better they are.

I just recently asked a cogamer to install the beta-patches ... I still hear his enthusiasted voice ringing in my ears ... :-)

Let them drink limo all the time and see them avoiding adulthood ... ;-)

Someone was commenting on one of my videos, and said he loved Arma2 but his machine couldn't handle it. He sent me his specs. Very close to mine, and I have no trouble with a little Athlon 4400+ overclocked, and Nvidia 9800GTX+ overclocked.

With a little guidance, he got his up and running and smooth. No change in hardware, just a little PC maintenance, latest patches and drivers, and he says it's night and day. He's now only playing Arma2. What I find interesting, is that many people complain that it takes steep hardware to play but I think that many of these machines just aren't "tuned" up, or have other issues besides the game. I've found that if you're machine is not up to speed with drivers, malware removal, defragging, cheap memory, etc....Arma2 WILL find it.

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Go Hardcore. As long as you have all these things available (MHQ, Endless Respawns, Unlocked Versions, Imaginary Crosshairs etc' etc' etc') MOST players will be using them. That's the way the game is today - And NOBODY'S PLAYING IT!

I think the way forward is to make the game more CHALLENGING. I don't think that if all these silly things that i've mentioned were removed it would hurt the freedom of the game . Mission makers will still make missions, and people will still be able to find ways to have their Run & Gun fun.

People LIKE a challenge. I've had the opportunity to be on servers that were full of people, playing on an easier setting, which then was switched to a harder setting. 99% of the players were like - "Oh! This is so much more fun! We don't have an MHQ now, we need to rely on eachother!" or "Lets work as a TEAM and Revive eachother!"

Going into specifics with you guys, as i've learned, just confuses the issue. What balances could be made, what could be kept & what for sure needs to be gone I agree is a matter for detailed analysis, ok not everyone wants it as hardcore as me. But imo the way forward is DEFINETLY to make ArmA HARDER and more CHALLENGING. If we WANT more people to play this game...

And all you guys who think things are fine the way they are now, who ENJOY being part of this small exclusive community, or who think that ALOT of people ARE playing ArmA2... You and me just have a different outlook on life.

Do you even read your own posts and the follow ups of others? You're waiting for BIS to dictate exactly how the simulator is supposed to be played. If you have all the answers, it's obvious, that you can set up a server, (Like you have been told endlessly), make the settings hard, soft, flaccid, hot, cold, warm, whatever. NOBODY IS STOPPING YOU. Not one person is saying you're right or wrong. They aren't defending the games mechanics. They are defending the fact that they do not want to be dictated on how the game is supposed to be played. There is no right or wrong way for the game to be played. As it's been pointed out over and over to you, that is the beauty of having openness. To allow anybody to create whatever they desire. That means you too.

Get a server. Find the missions you want. Set the settings to whatever you're little heart desires. You can do that, simply because nobody like you came along and dictated how the game is supposed to be played. And if people like how you dictate how the game is supposed to be played, then they will come back, fill up your server.

But to get on here, and state that people are weak, and don't know what they are talking about, because they don't adhere to you're mandate to change the game to you're liking. Smells like Troll to me.

[Herbal Influence 10]

@Lughnut: you r completely right.

@Mango and all new to forums:

Why does this thread have quite an angry tone overall?

Though we are all cogamers and want more and more mature gamers to be fascinated as we are?

- Threads with titles like this one are an offence to the BI games committed gamers by the very wording of the title. It's provocating.

- Posts that hit the core of it all, which is freedom and openess, are likely to arise an angry debate.

- There is, after all, a bit of tiredness over having to explain again and again, what this milsim is about and that it shouldn't be compared to simple FPS (first person shooters). And it is not easy to explain with words for you have to "feel" it. Once you felt it, you get addicted to it.

[-RIP- Luhgnut 10]

@Lughnut: you r completely right.

@Mango and all new to forums:

Why does this thread have quite an angry tone overall?

Though we are all cogamers and want more and more mature gamers to be fascinated as we are?

- Threads with titles like this one are an offence to the BI games committed gamers by the very wording of the title. It's provocating.

- Posts that hit the core of it all, which is freedom and openess, are likely to arise an angry debate.

- There is, after all, a bit of tiredness over having to explain again and again, what this milsim is about and that it shouldn't be compared to simple FPS (first person shooters). And it is not easy to explain with words for you have to "feel" it. Once you felt it, you get addicted to it.

Everybody get on my server because I mandate that there isn't any AI, and it's everybody has to be a real person. Cause if you don't you have no business playing this game, I know how EVERYBODY is supposed to play this game. You see, I'm all knowing, and I have to be correct because NOBODY is playing this game.

:p

I mean, isn't that basically what he said?

[MangoForLife 10]

- Threads with titles like this one are an offence to the BI games committed gamers by the very wording of the title. It's provocating.

- Posts that hit the core of it all, which is freedom and openess, are likely to arise an angry debate.

- There is, after all, a bit of tiredness over having to explain again and again, what this milsim is about and that it shouldn't be compared to simple FPS (first person shooters). And it is not easy to explain with words for you have to "feel" it. Once you felt it, you get addicted to it.

There's nothing wrong with my title. Criticisem is a GOOD thing. And you are right, my post DOES hit the core of it all.

Everyone here saying - "Well, open your own server.. or go on 1 that plays hardcore" - There are none! (1-3 servers/clans does not count in my eyes..) + I'm not opening my own dedicated server.

ArmA will lose NOTHING of it's freedom and openess if such things as MHQ or endless respawns were taken away from it (or silly ass imaginary crossahairs!)... On the contrary, it would push towards more TEAMWORK, it would only make the game better, and the players more dedicated.

This is not a military simulator. It's a shooter. Ok, the map is big. So you use the MHQ, ok the AI is good, so what?! U just respawn right back were you were. It shoulden't be this way.. where people are telling me - Open your own server, or join our clan.. Public play, which comprises 90% of what's being done online with the game, should be as challenging and team oriented as any exclusive hardcore clan of gamers. But I guess people HAVE GOTTEN USED to things the way they are... they can't imagine how much better it COULD (AND used!) to be...

P.S - NOBODY'S PLAYING THIS GAME!.............(Any ideas why this is?)

Edited October 23, 2009 by MangoForLife