A few Project: UKF upcoming (Final) releases from myself.

[Pathy 0]

Hi guys.

Well, soon as there seems to be alot of rather unscrupulous people handing around ripped or beta kit, (even trying to claim it as their own!) and the P:UKF stuff is by now spread all over the net, I figure whats the point in fighting it. Might as well release it before someone else starts claiming its their work. So, in their unfinished states will shortly (1 to 2 weeks) be released:

Challenger 2

Higher Res

UK Weapons

Higher Res

These are my "personal" projects and as my motivation has been completely sapped by these selfish C*nts, I'll be releasing them as is; unfinished, bug ridden and low quality. That'll be the end of it, I just want to push em out the door so that the thieving bastards can't keep passing em off as their own. I was working on updates, future models, fancy scripted features, even plain old bug squashing, but I can't really be bothered anymore. Apologies to all those who did wait patiently that you're not getting a more complete package, and thanks to all those who've helped along the way. There were also a number of other projects that I was working away on getting into ArmA2 on behalf of absent UKF members, who I didn't think would want their work to go to waste; getting the Warriors, AS90, CVRTs and support weapons of various kinds into game, amongst other things, were on my 'to do' list. Alas, these too fall at the wayside.

I hope those who couldn't suppress their glee at having their hands on unfinished work realise they've missed out on something better through their own sheer stupidity and indiscretion, as we had some awesome things in the pipeline. For myself, i'm bowing out of the addon making game. I'll probably still make the occasional thing for my own pleasure, but thats it.

With regards to the rest of UKF, I can't really offer much more than speculation, as there are only three of us in any way active at the moment. I know Messy feels equally dismayed by the direction things have gone within the 'Community', however, and so against my better judgment i'm going to publicly speculate that you're going to see something similar from Messy (ie finishing up and dropping out).

I'm just going through the process of making sure they have basic function ingame so that they run, even with some minor bugs. Hopefully within the week i'll unload 'em off my hands, forget 'em, the nightmare will be over, and you lot won't have to pretend you don't already have them anymore.

[Simon C 0]

Yet again, idiots ruin addon making because they're greedy/impatient. Having said that however, that Chally looks very High Quality, can't wait to see it. I do hope you reconsider though and release an update. :p

[Prydain 1]

I do hope you reconsider though and release an update. :p

I don't, no fucker deserves it.

Thank those goons who pose other peoples property as their own, its as cheap as standing next to a Bentley pretending you own it. It is stealing.

[Guest RKSL-Rock]

Score one to the thieving bastards killing the community.

[Simon C 0]

I find it hard to understand why people would steal it anyway, there's surely not any money in it. I can only guess it's just impatience, which is a pointless waste of an addon maker's time.

[Callsign 128]

As much as I sympathise with you guys, I would definetly like to stress how much of a minority these dicks are in the community and say that not all of us are pretending we don't already have them.

I know I probably can't convince you otherwise to your decision (and don't really want to) I would like to thank you for your obvious hard work over the years (I really mean this genuinely, even your screens over the years have been a joy to see). I'm not sure what else to say really so I think I might as well say nothing.

[Guest RKSL-Rock]

I find it hard to understand why people would steal it anyway, there's surely not any money in it. I can only guess it's just impatience, which is a pointless waste of an addon maker's time.

sadly there are people who just cant wait until release so they join clans/teams or squads just to collect addons, then they hand them out to all and sundry just to get one over on the makers. They seem to think its a "big" and "heroic" to "give them to the waiting community" so they can play with them in their unfinished state.

What they don't seem to realise is that they are only hurting the community by doing it. These children are biting the hand that feeds them. Pissing off the makers of these addons is just stupid because it drives them out of the community. Which means less addons for them to play with.

Its selfish, dumb and just proves that they are children. Sad little shits.

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, there's surely not any money in it.

Oh there is for good models. As several people have found. A number of people have found their models from this and other games on sites like Turbosquid and the now departed Meshmart. We make them for free and people steal them.

Edited October 3, 2009 by RKSL-Rock

[dmarkwick 261]

I'm sorry to hear of your woes Pathy. As an ex-Brit serviceman I was looking forward to your weapons pack. I'm one of those that don't have it BTW, and I'll be sorry to see them never finished properly.

I hope to see you reconsider and release them independently and fully realised, and signed, that would surely be a great comeback :)

[Aelin 10]

pathy,im new here but i feel your post as an "SOS".I bet we can find a solution but I ask you:how is it possible that strangers can steal your data?

[JdB 151]

I find it hard to understand why people would steal it anyway, there's surely not any money in it. I can only guess it's just impatience, which is a pointless waste of an addon maker's time.

Passing yourself of as an addonmaker, boasting access to non-released files, sabotage (competing mods). Those are just three reasons that I could write down without even giving it any real thought.

Impatience has nothing to do with it. Impatience implies that you care for the addon and it's creator. In that case you wouldn't go around claiming it as your own and releasing it as such.

Sad to see this happen, but completely understandable. As I said to both Pathy and Rock before, create addons if you like to, but keep them restricted to your friends. The rest doesn't deserve them because of their lack of caring, or even support of such activities. The minority that speaks out against stealing has to suffer, but that's always going to be the case.

@Aelin, that SOS was already sent quite a few months ago. This is just the next step in the community's losing battle with theft.

Edited October 3, 2009 by JdB

[Pathy 0]

As Rock/John have covered the heavy stuff, i'll just limit myself to general answers.

@SimonC. Cheers, I'd wanted to remodel and retexture it, but it's alot of work to do, so in the end i'm settling for releasing it like it is. I'm not 100% happy with it but its not a mess either. The textures are rather low res unfortunately, which bothers me the most. Hopefully it'll tide people over till someone makes a better one. I'm abit gutted myself as I did have big plans for Fire Control Systems and whatnot, but other things than general idiots stalled those plans.

And yeah, lots of reasons why people want to grab addons early. Rock and John cover it really well.

@Callsign. Cheers, much appreciated. I agree, it is a minority, and i'm not trying to do a 'fuck you' gesture, nor spite the community, it's just, i'll finish what I can finish, after that it's a matter of motivation, and....bah long story short, lots of painful hours that end with someone "presenting" your addons on thier youtube video and offering to hand em out, without even a nod to you....going straight for my morale! You'll get to play with them soon, and I know i'm griping about them being bugridden and whatnot, but truth be told you're not actually going to be getting a bad package, it's just not the package you should have got. The perfectionist in me is wishing i'd been able to perfect 'em and add all the cool little things i'd had planned for ages. But all in all, i'm happy to push them out now, if for nothing more than to stop certain people claiming them as their own.

@Dmarkwick. Again, cheers. The only big thing you'll miss on the weapons pack is the new handguard and ACOG. We've actually got em modelled, they just need texturing, but again, thats beyond me at the moment. I could go two ways here. I could say that 'i'll include it in a future update' and get hopes up, or say 'it's unlikely i'll provide any updates'. The more truthful one is that it's taken me an age to do the very small amount of work remaining to do on the weapons, and if i'm realistic, I'll be glad to never look at them again. That ones not so much about idiots as it's about the 12 hour days I did for a month solid on those weapons. The idiots don't help, of course.

@Aelin, I'm already looking forward to my retirement! Think of the Chally and the weapons as my parting gift.

Edited October 3, 2009 by Pathy

[Cougar 0]

Score one to the thieving bastards killing the community.

That and self proclaimed addon elite kill the community. We need the old happy days of more free modding back.

I for one am happy to share my work if anyone wants it..

Back on tropic. Nice looking tank. Good work.

[Guest RKSL-Rock]

That and self proclaimed addon elite....

And who would they be?

Edited October 3, 2009 by RKSL-Rock
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[Cougar 0]

I dont want to start yet another mudfight. We had enough of them.

Btw Pathy whats that small SA80 ?

[Pathy 0]

It's an L22 Carbine. It's for tank crews.

I am, by the way apparently a member of the Self Proclaimed Addon Elite. That is to say, I like(d) to release my work when i've finished it and I take exception to people making off with it before it's ready, ie before i've released it. There are elements of the other side that likes to imagine they're 'sticking it to the man' and doing the community a service by infiltrating the 'elite' and 'liberating' the addons for the masses. Truth is, they just piss the people actually making stuff off, and they lose motivation to ever finish it, as has happened with me.

[aracore 10]

a big shame to see things go like this, i aint a addon maker myself and i been sitting here like a little kid waiting for x-mas morning waiting for these kind of addons. only addons im using are my community addons of 6thsense....

not sure what to say about this wish i could somehow change ur mind and keep up the great work u guys are doing for the community, but from the previous posts i read that seems highly unlikely.

hope u will one day miss the modeling and bless us with awesome addons once again, if not i wish ya all the best:)

[JdB 151]

hope u will one day miss the modeling and bless us with awesome addons once again, if not i wish ya all the best:)

It's not about missing the experience of creating an addon, it's the rest of the "experience" that bothers some, especially in the last few years.

[Defunkt 431]

Hang on, unless they actually broke into your house and removed said work-in-progress from your harddrive isn't this ultimately something you've given out? So maybe it's them you should be ranting at privately rather than here publicly. Which for me also raises the question, why give incomplete work to anybody? I could answer than but I won't other than to say that if people would just sit on things they're progressing until they're close to release then there'd be a lot less of this sort of drama going on.

[Cougar 0]

Cease fire?

Can anyone tell me what the small cute sa80 is ??

It looks like something you could have instead of a teddy and bring it to bed :D

Seen. Thanks Mr Centipede

Edited October 3, 2009 by Cougar

[mr_centipede 31]

@Cougar:

It's an L22 Carbine. It's for tank crews.

I am, by the way apparently a member of the Self Proclaimed Addon Elite. That is to say, I like(d) to release my work when i've finished it and I take exception to people making off with it before it's ready, ie before i've released it. There are elements of the other side that likes to imagine they're 'sticking it to the man' and doing the community a service by infiltrating the 'elite' and 'liberating' the addons for the masses. Truth is, they just piss the people actually making stuff off, and they lose motivation to ever finish it, as has happened with me.

[r3volution 0]

It sucks to see another great mod fall by the wayside. I was waiting patiently and hoping for a full release in Arma2 but I understand the reasons behind not doing so.

Well, at least the challenger & some guns will console me a bit.

[Pathy 0]

Hang on, unless they actually broke into your house and removed said work-in-progress from your harddrive isn't this ultimately something you've given out? So maybe it's them you should be ranting at privately rather than here publicly. Which for me also raises the question, why give incomplete work to anybody? I could answer than but I won't other than to say that if people would just sit on things they're progressing until they're close to release then there'd be a lot less of this sort of drama going on.

Ultimately, this isn't about what you think or feel, it's about what I think and feel. I think and feel that I can't be bothered to struggle with it anymore, therefore i'm doing some final releases then dropping out. It's as simple as that. I'm not trying to rant or make political points, i'm being open and honest about my actions, my reasons and my opinions, just as i've always tried to be. I speak my mind, don't try to hide anything, and I don't make apologies for that. I know some people can't take it at face value and will judge me for it as they always do, and usually incorrectly...but thats their problem, not mine.

Edited October 3, 2009 by Pathy

[Lhowon 10]

I think Defunkt's point is that presumably if modders didn't give out their work to essentially anonymous "testers" or what not it wouldn't come to this. I don't know the details but I assume that's basically what happened?

I wouldn't have phrased it like that because I am acutely aware of how disheartening it would be to have half-finished stuff you've been working on freely distributed. Creating something you put a heap of time and effort into means you want it to be as perfect as possible before publicly releasing it. That's totally understandable and I feel for anyone denied the right to do that, especially when a large number of people then won't even know who made it.

However trying to drag something constructive out of this, perhaps it should be made clear to all modders that giving out work to anyone they don't implicitly trust (and the proven experience to back that trust up) means there can be no guarantee that their work won't be distributed, without exception.

It pains me that that's the case as I would have thought people in this community would be better than that, and the idea of the community testing mods is one I very much support. But the reality is there are assholes in any large enough group, and the internet lends them the anonymity to go unnoticed.

Anyway I'm really sorry to hear that, I hope you regain some enthusiasm in the future.

[raikitsune 10]

I'm so sorry to hear about this Pathy I was one of those really looking forward to the top quality work you guys always seem to produce, i can't say i was even aware of it's stolen release. You're doing more than you even have to by releasing it yourself so even if it is a buggy half hearted release thanks for being good enough to still release it!

Such a shame when a few rogue arses ruin a good thing!

[Lightninguk 0]

I think Defunkt's point is that presumably if modders didn't give out their work to essentially anonymous "testers" or what not it wouldn't come to this. I don't know the details but I assume that's basically what happened?

I wouldn't have phrased it like that because I am acutely aware of how disheartening it would be to have half-finished stuff you've been working on freely distributed. Creating something you put a heap of time and effort into means you want it to be as perfect as possible before publicly releasing it. That's totally understandable and I feel for anyone denied the right to do that, especially when a large number of people then won't even know who made it.

However trying to drag something constructive out of this, perhaps it should be made clear to all modders that giving out work to anyone they don't implicitly trust (and the proven experience to back that trust up) means there can be no guarantee that their work won't be distributed, without exception.

It pains me that that's the case as I would have thought people in this community would be better than that, and the idea of the community testing mods is one I very much support. But the reality is there are assholes in any large enough group, and the internet lends them the anonymity to go unnoticed.

Anyway I'm really sorry to hear that, I hope you regain some enthusiasm in the future.

i do agree i feel sorry for the person that making these addon in there spare time ,but all you need to do is do not give your stuff out unless you trust them to test it .it that easy

but again a mod team stops making addons for arma2.

some times i wish players would name these players on a wall of shame,

or get they Arma 2 id number and pass it on to other mods team that way they get no access to any beta stuff , as the only way you get a new id number is by buying a new copy of arma2, ask them to join a server get they id number and pass it on if they screw you.

sorry for my english but i hope you see were i am coming from