nodunit 397 Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) Agree with DanL2mx, FLIR, countermeasures and other systems by default and I've got no second thoughts to get it. It would be great to see this system used on the M1A2 tusk...Hmmm...I wonder who the Allied forces will be...first bets on British. By the way is that a Czech Mi-17? Edited August 21, 2009 by NodUnit Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GI-JoE 0 Posted August 21, 2009 ...Secondary i hope that there will be some kind of automatic integration of arma 2 content... Yep i hope that too (like in CoH for example), it would be very disapointing if not, it would cause a real mess...Hope that Bis will "solve" this "issue", because other than that, news about OA are very exciting so far. :crossingfingers: Excuse my bad english ;) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
da12thMonkey 1943 Posted August 21, 2009 who the Allied forces will be...first bets on British.By the way is that a Czech Mi-17? Yes it's a Czech Mi-17, hence my bet on the allied force goes to it being the Czech Republic... Very happy about the thermal imaging feature; from what I've been told by VBS2 owners it's a very good simulation. Makes the price BIS expect us to pay for the expansion well worth it in my eyes since the alternative is very expensive. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanL2mx 10 Posted August 21, 2009 Yep i hope that too (like in CoH for example), it would be very disapointing if not, it would cause a real mess...Hope that Bis will "solve" this "issue", because other than that, news about OA are very exciting so far. :crossingfingers:Excuse my bad english ;) I believe that has already been answered. Expansion will alow to integrate arma2 content in to it, so if you will have expansion and A2 you will not need to run arma2 exe. http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=83717&page=13 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GI-JoE 0 Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) Yep i know but : Will they somehow automate the inlcusion of ArmA II content for those that have it to encourage people who own it that Arrowhead will be just a huge expansion pack for them?Jennik: This is difficult to say now, as Arrowhead will feature a newer and enhanced version of ARMA 2 engine. Quite confusing he ? Well, maybe my poor english makes me jokes...I would prefer that ;) Edited August 21, 2009 by GI-JOE Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Dawg KS 6 Posted August 21, 2009 Yep i know but :Quite confusing he ? Well, maybe my poor english makes me jokes... I dunno, that question is very confusing too. I don't think Jennik was talking about integration of ArmA 2 content... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ainigma 10 Posted August 21, 2009 I too join in the excitement of promising new features, however... I find it disconcerting that people aren't voicing more concerns with what this "expansion" might do to the current community. We should encourage BIS with their endeavors, but as the A2 community we need to provide them with worthwhile criticism and let them know what WE want. They paying customer. PC games have been around for a long time. We've all seen the destructive power of a bad development/marketing decision. (regardless of brainpower) And while Zothen has some serious issues with expressing his concerns, he raises some great points that everyone should be wary of and not so critical. As great as Arma2 is, AND I LOVE ARMA2, it plays like a beta. Plain and simple. 50% of my gaming experience is frustration due to game errors and not optimized coding. Some of it can't be helped but they have a long ways to go before I would consider it a polished product. And as a paying customer and a fan I want more people to be attracted to our community. That's hard to do if the game play is more frustrating then a bad day of golf. And with regards to splitting the community. This is absolutely unacceptable to let happen! And while it's not certain one way or the other, it is our obligation as BIS supporters to ensure that there is no chance of it happening. The game is not popular enough to support that kind of split. Whether or not previous games have done it, it is damaging. Arma2 has barely been out a couple of months and the prospect of paying for more when I can barely enjoy what I have already payed for is aggravating and worrisome that I don't hear more similar voices. I don't want to start a flame war. I don't want people to pick apart my post to point out every time I made an error. I make opinions and I make mistakes. These are my serious concerns that remain unanswered and should be at the top of everyone's mind. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
spooky lynx 73 Posted August 21, 2009 Will the future patches/expansions include other parts of Chernarus?Jennik: Interesting question, I don't know honestly Still I hope that after some time I'll get the whole Chernarus to have aircarfts larger than choppers, Harrier, Su-25 and Osprey really useful. The same goes to artillery. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jw custom 56 Posted August 21, 2009 I too join in the excitement of promising new features, however...I find it disconcerting that people aren't voicing more concerns with what this "expansion" might do to the current community. We should encourage BIS with their endeavors, but as the A2 community we need to provide them with worthwhile criticism and let them know what WE want. They paying customer. PC games have been around for a long time. We've all seen the destructive power of a bad development/marketing decision. (regardless of brainpower) And while Zothen has some serious issues with expressing his concerns, he raises some great points that everyone should be wary of and not so critical. As great as Arma2 is, AND I LOVE ARMA2, it plays like a beta. Plain and simple. 50% of my gaming experience is frustration due to game errors and not optimized coding. Some of it can't be helped but they have a long ways to go before I would consider it a polished product. And as a paying customer and a fan I want more people to be attracted to our community. That's hard to do if the game play is more frustrating then a bad day of golf. And with regards to splitting the community. This is absolutely unacceptable to let happen! And while it's not certain one way or the other, it is our obligation as BIS supporters to ensure that there is no chance of it happening. The game is not popular enough to support that kind of split. Whether or not previous games have done it, it is damaging. Arma2 has barely been out a couple of months and the prospect of paying for more when I can barely enjoy what I have already payed for is aggravating and worrisome that I don't hear more similar voices. I don't want to start a flame war. I don't want people to pick apart my post to point out every time I made an error. I make opinions and I make mistakes. These are my serious concerns that remain unanswered and should be at the top of everyone's mind. Regarding ArmA2 and the problems it have.... READ THE DAMN FORUM, it has been stated 1000 times that because there's a new expansion in the work ArmA2 will still be fixed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sniper pilot 36 Posted August 21, 2009 What's confusing?! Ohara already pointed out that if you have ArmA 2 installed it will work seamlessly with OA! Just exactly how Resistance worked seamlessly with OFP! I would be worried to but with what ohara states I'm not. I know come release date, I will be able to play with OA US Army forces on Chernauserous(sp?) and ArmA2 forces on the OA's maps and vise versa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Radnik 18 Posted August 21, 2009 IMO 2010 is good release date, at least to have time to taste vanila ArmA 2 and get into it deeply. Patches will come, fixes and improvements too so why rush for Expansion? Can't remember exactly when Resistance came after OpF but it's not less then one year after. Just sit tight, relax and injoy current game :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ainigma 10 Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) Regarding ArmA2 and the problems it have.... READ THE DAMN FORUM, it has been stated 1000 times that because there's a new expansion in the work ArmA2 will still be fixed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Relax. Reread my post. You are missing the point by a mile. I say what I say to help. Not strike up useless emotional outbursts such as this. PLEASE. I would be worried to but with what ohara states I'm not. I know come release date, I will be able to play with OA US Army forces on Chernauserous(sp?) and ArmA2 forces on the OA's maps and vise versa. Perhaps you are right. I guess my concern is having to commit to buying more than 1 game to play on half the available servers. Just sit tight, relax and injoy current game You make a good point here. It has crossed my mind that much of this new content will not take up valuable developer time that could be used on more pressing issues. Is this consistent with BIS' track record? This is the first of their games I have played. Edited August 21, 2009 by ainigma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
abs 2 Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) I too join in the excitement of promising new features, however...... Perhaps you are right. I guess my concern is having to commit to buying more than 1 game to play on half the available servers. Everything will be fine...just wait and see. Abs [edit: It's not like there won't be any servers left on ARMAII when OA comes out. Also, OA players will be able to play on ARMAII servers, so it's not a big deal. Those that don't get OA will be unable to join OA servers. Are you honestly telling me that you're not going to buy OA anyway?] Edited August 21, 2009 by Abs Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jw custom 56 Posted August 21, 2009 Relax. Reread my post. You are missing the point by a mile. I say what I say to help. Not strike up useless emotional outbursts such as this. PLEASE. People keep posting like ArmA2 is obsolete and abandoned just because a expansion is in the work... it's been said over and over that BIS are working on the issues. Well you was worried about the expansion because ArmA2 has a lot of bugs... ... it's been said over and over that BIS are working on the issues. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vultar 0 Posted August 21, 2009 Regarding ArmA2 and the problems it have.... READ THE DAMN FORUM, it has been stated 1000 times that because there's a new expansion in the work ArmA2 will still be fixed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is the first time I am not satisfied and as a customer (owner of Flashpoint, Resistance, Arma, QG) this should be important to BIS because possibly I'm not the only one. Before Arma2 release I heard about many patches that will help Arma. Now we are stuck with 1.16 beta, but most servers prefer non-beta so they use 1.14. Whatever, Arma is abandonned, just like OFP was and just like Arma2 will be after OA release. Is Arma a stable game? No, it's not. Disconnecion, laggs over the internet... Now 2 months after release BIS announce new game/expansion/you name it (which is still not needed, Q3 2010 perhaps). Look at Arma, where are promised patches? Look at Arma2, every community, every press is yelling about Bugs of Arma2, ratings are poor. I remember Flashpoint had 9.5/10 or 10/10 while Arma2 reaches maximum of 7.5. Bohemia! What happened? Were Arma2 sales poor? Is it because of lack of time? Maybe sales are poor because of low ratings? Maybe Arma2 was released too fast? What I want to see, firstly, a new non-beta patch for Arma. Secondly, patched and enjoyable Arma2. You can blame me or you can understand me. By the way, Operation Arrowhead is awesome name. Way better than Arma :D Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ainigma 10 Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) Are you honestly telling me that you're not going to buy OA anyway? My concern isn't myself. As an Arma2 hopeful I will probably buy it. But I know many others who would be great assets to this community that will not blindly make that purchase. Or even the purchase of Arma2 because of the issues it has. It troubles me when I know multiple people who would otherwise jump at the opportunity to play this game if it weren't for the numerous problems and frustration. I feel like the community, us, is who suffers because of this. BIS suffers too. We are all intertwined, however they are getting paid. We are doing the paying. And perhaps this is what sparks my confusion: Will they somehow automate the inlcusion of ArmA II content for those that have it to encourage people who own it that Arrowhead will be just a huge expansion pack for them?Jennik: This is difficult to say now, as Arrowhead will feature a newer and enhanced version of ARMA 2 engine. Well you was worried about the expansion because ArmA2 has a lot of bugs... Wouldn't you consider that a valid concern? The problems are still here. I would rather hear about fixes before new expansions that I have to pay for. Look at Arma2, every community, every press is yelling about Bugs of Arma2, ratings are poor. I remember Flashpoint had 9.5/10 or 10/10 while Arma2 reaches maximum of 7.5.Bohemia! What happened? Were Arma2 sales poor? Is it because of lack of time? Maybe sales are poor because of low ratings? Maybe Arma2 was released too fast? I realize BIS are developers. Not politicians. But it's this kind of news that makes me hope BIS would come out and be upfront with it's fan base rather than cryptic answers and such. We need to rely on each other. Developer and Community. PC games are sadly giving way to console games. That's obvious when a large amount of big name developers put out games on the PC as a port. (generally crappy ports at that) Edited August 21, 2009 by ainigma Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Alex72 1 Posted August 21, 2009 Your a distributor? I dont get your concern about BIS business. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jw custom 56 Posted August 21, 2009 Wouldn't you consider that a valid concern? The problems are still here. I would rather hear about fixes before new expansions that I have to pay for. Again... read the forums, there's even a thread where you can download a beta patch and help testing... now stop all that nonses about ArmA2 not being fixed...ffs. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ainigma 10 Posted August 21, 2009 Your a distributor? I dont get your concern about BIS business. I'm a paying customer... Anyone with a desire to see Arma2 flourish should be very concerned. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
foxtwofive 10 Posted August 21, 2009 I assume the US Armys' going to be based on a SBCT, HBCT, and IBCT...? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jw custom 56 Posted August 21, 2009 I'm a paying customer... Anyone with a desire to see Arma2 flourish should be very concerned. I play Arma2 on daily basis and yes i do experience bugs from time to time but live with them till they get fixed which they without doubt will be...... i'm not concerned why should i be that :confused: 1. BIS have stated many times that Arma2 will get fixed and they are working on it. 2. Now i can look forward to new goodies in the expansion :cool: Yeah right i'm concerned lol. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ainigma 10 Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) deleted Edited August 21, 2009 by ainigma It's not worth the response... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Vultar 0 Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) Again... read the forums, there's even a thread where you can download a beta patch and help testing... now stop all that nonses about ArmA2 not being fixed...ffs. Okay then Mr JW and everyone who thinks this way, but you're not helping, stop ordering people to read forum as they already did. And Do Read my previous post. There's a small example why Arma2 is likely to be abandonned just like Arma. You know why Operation Flashpoint was absolutely great and so high (but not over!) rated? Because it was stable, no bugs, no errors (at least I haven't experienced ANY) and it has long, climatic and moving story (Cold War Crisis). And that's the secret. I downloaded Arma2 demo and I'm not sure of the future. 10 hours of gameplay and countless bugs not mentioning those over the Net. I heard that SP campaign in Arma2 is seriously bugged and even unplayable. Voice acting is just insult. If Harvest Red is really unplayable/bugged I am not buying Arma2.... ....for now. Edited August 21, 2009 by Vultar Some corrections. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jw custom 56 Posted August 21, 2009 (edited) You are starting to flame when I specifically asked for your cooperation against that. If you took that as flaming you must be really sensitive.... sorry... :confused: I downloaded Arma2 demo and I'm not sure of the future. 10 hours of gameplay and countless bugs not mentioning those over the Net. I heard that SP campaign in Arma2 is seriously bugged and even unplayable too. Voice speaking is just insult. If Harvest Red is really unplayable/bugged I am not buying Arma2.... ....for now. Yes these problems will never get fixed because a expansion is under development :cry2: P.S. i've also heard that none has ever completed the campaign :eek: Edited August 21, 2009 by JW Custom Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Undeceived 392 Posted August 21, 2009 Release dateW0lle: When it's done ;) Jennik: Exactly :) So please make it "done"... Arma 2 (like also ArmA) wasn't done at release! Both games were pretty unfinished. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites