Patience is a virtue

[galzohar 31]

The original ArmA1 maps are no official maps but 3rd party imports. So please stop judging the game by using inoffial stuff, thanks. :rolleyes:

If it wasn't for unofficial stuff, this game would've died 2 days after its release. The only thing keeping it playable is the user-made content. So if I would judge this game based on official stuff only, I'd probably give it 3/10. 99.9% of the time I play on user-made missions and when ACE2 comes out I'll probably play with it as much as the servers choose to support. So I think it's in BIS's best interest if people DO judge this game based on unofficial stuff ;)

[Scrub 0]

That's a bit exaggerated, but ok. There were what 2-3 addons a week later? But to stop splitting hairs, what W0lle is talking about is the care taken and details in the official maps to judge the AI by. And as V3 isn't out for A2 yet, chances are that the A1 ported maps are not full of A2 features.

Edit: There are a HELL of a lot of new people here pissing and moaning with impatience. Some call the old timers 'elitists' cause they won't settle for less gameplay, and counter to that, they are acting like ignorant snobs who won't settle for less then their version of perfection in this one of a kind game.. Patience is surely a virtue, and greatly needed.

Edited August 8, 2009 by Scrub

[mils 10]

I agree patience is a virtue and most people here will wait for patches. But if Op flash comes out of the gate in much better form with a decent set of tools to do most of what you can in arma, people will start to forget to play it and down go the numbers. (not that the dev cares as you already paid! :P)

[no use for a name 0]

I agree patience is a virtue and most people here will wait for patches. But if Op flash comes out of the gate in much better form with a decent set of tools to do most of what you can in arma, people will start to forget to play it and down go the numbers. (not that the dev cares as you already paid! :P)

then why have they released 3 patches if they didn't care? And I highly doubt OFP2 will compare to Arma2's unique gameplay and "feel". I'll still probably buy OFP2 just because it does look sweet and pretty fun, but I'll turn to Arma2 for the mods, gameplay, and customization. And there's a 99% chance that BIS will get this game in order...just when is another matter

[lee_h._oswald 0]

then why have they released 3 patches if they didn't care? ... And there's a 99% chance that BIS will get this game in order...just when is another matter

I'm sure they care, but there is something going terribly wrong since ArmA1.

=====

OFP in the last days had a very strong community and the most talented MOD Teams/Addon Makers I have ever seen in any game.

Me and my mates had an own linux ofp server, playing a self made custom CTI with tons of addons close to every day. Huge mission with hundrets of enemys, on the ground and in the air!

=====

Then ArmA1 came..

Released full of bugs, all the old OFP bugs and with the new features a lot of new ones.

Only ~3 of ~20 player could play the game, even after some patches, so they left ArmA1. There was a horrible linux dedicated server support, with every new patch we had to wait "weeks" for a the updated linux dedi..

We tried everything to keep the ppl playing.

After some time we had to cancel our server cause no one was willing to pay for it anymore if they couldn't play on it.

=====

Then the pay-addon came, "Queens Gambit" splitting the community in half..

"Queens Gambit is required for this addon!"

More players left, very few mod teams, much of trying to get the game running, less playing -> loosing the interest in this game more and more.

Then with the latest updates, ArmA1 runs very well on most pc's but there was "no one" left to play and most of the talented addon makers went away.

=====

And now we have ArmAII..

Released in a better shape then ArmAI but also full of old and new bugs.

But there was hope.

"They must have learned their lesson with the ArmAI desaster!"

Do they?

I'm not sure, for me It looks like the same procedure we had with ArmAI.

If this is the case, this games series is [d]DEAD[/b]!

=====

Look around, where are all the old players?

Where are the big mod-teams/addon makers?

Where are my old OFP playmates?

Where is the FUN we had playing CTI on our good old linux server?

===========

Look at the "Patch 1.03 Satisfaction Survey" thread.

44% voted "BAD".

This forum has Members: 59,252 but only 324 voted.

Let's face it, good times are over and BIS isn't doing a great job at the moment.

Yes, it's nice to see all those patches/bugfixes, but how about releasing a game without all the well known bugs!

---

Bah... again too much energy wasted on this game, writing this text which is forgotten/never read in about ~15minutes....

MfG Lee :(

[Thunderbird 0]

The most frustrating thing is to know that BIS is able to fix the current major bugs and issues within ArmA II but they don't do it.

They instead focus on secondary/less important bugs.

But the game needs to be playable first, otherwise, things won't get better and to reach this, it is necessary to seriously focus on the following aspects:

- Performance on all PC users hardware/Get ride of the 8 GB and ATI issues forever.

- Fix that sh... textures loading/streaming issue.

- Ensure that the campaign will be 100% playable.

If these 3 aspects receive the necessary attention, then it will be a first solid step to get further.

Regards,

TB

[DJH 10]

It wouldn't be too bad if you could uninstall the patches without uninstalling the game, I appreciate it'd be difficult or impossible to have a rollback feature, but it does mean that you get pretty annoyed when each new patch comes out and you have to look at the fixes vs new bugs and decide which version you'd like! [i'm currently doing my 5th install of Arma, patching to 1.02 again because 1.03 and my machine really don't get along well!]

That said, patches at least show a willingness and effort to fix the problems, and that should always be applauded.

[kklownboy 43]

It wouldn't be too bad if you could uninstall the patches without uninstalling the game, I appreciate it'd be difficult or impossible to have a rollback feature, but it does mean that you get pretty annoyed when each new patch comes out and you have to look at the fixes vs new bugs and decide which version you'd like! [i'm currently doing my 5th install of Arma, patching to 1.02 again because 1.03 and my machine really don't get along well!]

That said, patches at least show a willingness and effort to fix the problems, and that should always be applauded.

In the patch release thread they stated that you should COPY and SAVE your whole ARMA2 game folder before you update...

[Swartz 10]

I'm sure they care, but there is something going terribly wrong since ArmA1.

Look around, where are all the old players?

Where are the big mod-teams/addon makers?

Where are my old OFP playmates?

Where is the FUN we had playing CTI on our good old linux server?

===========

Look at the "Patch 1.03 Satisfaction Survey" thread.

44% voted "BAD".

This forum has Members: 59,252 but only 324 voted.

Let's face it, good times are over and BIS isn't doing a great job at the moment.

Yes, it's nice to see all those patches/bugfixes, but how about releasing a game without all the well known bugs!

---

Bah... again too much energy wasted on this game, writing this text which is forgotten/never read in about ~15minutes....

MfG Lee :(

One of the best posts in the whole forum!

It's quite obvious to me too that this is going nowhere and will die a "not so slow death" come October. It's dying already, after the shoddy patches to the already shoddy game. Just from reading here for the last weeek or so I can realise this. I have a brand new machine sitting there with Arma II on it and I'm still struggling with Arma I. This obviously can't go on any longer. 8 years is enough for me now!

The moderators in here all live in denial. It's quite funny reading some of these "wait till the next patch" or "it'll be in the next patch" threads. The same bullshit over and over from the last few defenders of this atrocious piece of garbage.

If fixing broken games is your thing, well good for you, but it should be obvious that 99.9% of people won't enjoy this. Yet the game is marketed alongside all the other "playable" ones.

It is a rip off of the first degree to begin with. ...and, please don't tell me that it's my responsibility to know that I would need to fix the game after purchase (as I've seen someone suggest)! That's absurd!

So I hope all 324 of you enjoy making BIS richer by giving them VBS2 content!

It's quite funny when you go tot the Arma II website it is all about VBS2!

Oh....as far as I can make out, VBS2 = BIA (Bohemia Interactive Australia) and have nothingto do with the BIS that you know here!

BIA is a totally different kettle of fish. The real brains are the guys there in Oz doing the quality stuff for the military.

We are stuck with the braindead left overs!

This is such a piss poor implementation of a brilliant idea.

This remains to be seen...but it seems to me that CodeMasters won't have to work too hard to come up trumps here.

BIS is going to "FADE".

Chow.

[Katrician 0]

I'm sure they care, but there is something going terribly wrong since ArmA1.

=====

OFP in the last days had a very strong community and the most talented MOD Teams/Addon Makers I have ever seen in any game.

Me and my mates had an own linux ofp server, playing a self made custom CTI with tons of addons close to every day. Huge mission with hundrets of enemys, on the ground and in the air!

=====

Then ArmA1 came..

Released full of bugs, all the old OFP bugs and with the new features a lot of new ones.

Only ~3 of ~20 player could play the game, even after some patches, so they left ArmA1. There was a horrible linux dedicated server support, with every new patch we had to wait "weeks" for a the updated linux dedi..

We tried everything to keep the ppl playing.

After some time we had to cancel our server cause no one was willing to pay for it anymore if they couldn't play on it.

=====

Then the pay-addon came, "Queens Gambit" splitting the community in half..

"Queens Gambit is required for this addon!"

More players left, very few mod teams, much of trying to get the game running, less playing -> loosing the interest in this game more and more.

Then with the latest updates, ArmA1 runs very well on most pc's but there was "no one" left to play and most of the talented addon makers went away.

=====

And now we have ArmAII..

Released in a better shape then ArmAI but also full of old and new bugs.

But there was hope.

"They must have learned their lesson with the ArmAI desaster!"

Do they?

I'm not sure, for me It looks like the same procedure we had with ArmAI.

If this is the case, this games series is [d]DEAD[/b]!

=====

Look around, where are all the old players?

Where are the big mod-teams/addon makers?

Where are my old OFP playmates?

Where is the FUN we had playing CTI on our good old linux server?

===========

Look at the "Patch 1.03 Satisfaction Survey" thread.

44% voted "BAD".

This forum has Members: 59,252 but only 324 voted.

Let's face it, good times are over and BIS isn't doing a great job at the moment.

Yes, it's nice to see all those patches/bugfixes, but how about releasing a game without all the well known bugs!

---

Bah... again too much energy wasted on this game, writing this text which is forgotten/never read in about ~15minutes....

MfG Lee :(

Excellent post I think OFP was so ahead in is time! that bugs were not so important since the concept was so big and immersive, the campaign was extraordinaire and you never knew what to expect next, also you have feelings of being lost, surrounded by ennemies, hope to make it thru to rejoin friendly forces; I remember walking into the night watching stars to direct myself, and so on...

I didn't played ARMA I at the time because of my PC specs, and the bad feedback after its release.

Like many here I waited for ARMA II thinking of another revolution in terms of gaming....and not; I was surprised how this was a revamped OFP game minus the fun and excitement.

[mr.g-c 6]

This was for sure the last Arma game that did came out.

If there will be another one then this company seriously needs some serious consulting or the decision-makers have to be replaced.

ArmA1 = Gigantic Debacle

ArmA2 = Gigantic Debacle

Lets see how this all turns out - very sad indeed. :o :(

P.S. Patch 1.03 is a joke in my eyes, i can't see any of the important issues fixed. Still tooo horrible in tooo many aspects. :eek: :(

[SWT_Janowich 10]

Since when been arma ii a gigantic

Debacle? Many are happy and iteven

Sold well

[evilnate 0]

In my opinion..

There is obviously a market for mil-sims that are like OFP/ArmA, no doubt about that. There was one developer that made the game "soldner", and if you ever played it in it's initial stages you will see what real bugs are made of. The BF series was released by dice, and I don't think it comes close to what BI's series offer.

So many people shun BI for all the bugs, they just want game that is 100% stable with 0% bugs. I'm sure they can provide that but I doubt it will have all the features that they are trying impliment.

Point is, I would rather have BI continue to set a ultra-high standard with mil-sims with the bugs than carve out the features that would bring it to a bugless state. Kudos to BI for thier continued development for something most devs wouldn't even attempt.

[SWAT_BigBear 0]

Kudos to BI for thier continued development for something most devs wouldn't even attempt.

x2

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[f2k sel 164]

I've been waiting since OFP for something better and I'm still waiting as Arma2 is unplayable, the patches have only a addressed a few crash issues compared to the game play side of the game.

People have changed operating systems and graphics cards and still have the same problems.

OFP at the time was the most bugged game I'd ever played and it was still awesome and playable.

Arma was poor but still playable even if I didn't always want too.

For me Arma2 has been totally unplayable as a game, all I've managed to do is play in the editor but even then it's a crash every half hour or so.

It even crashes in the menus and 2DEditor doing when doing nothing.

Until they make a real attempt to locate the crashes in this game all I can do is wait and watch the forums and keep making posts that they wish would go away.

[Blake 0]

Until they make a real attempt to locate the crashes in this game all I can do is wait and watch the forums and keep making posts that they wish would go away.

How about helping yourself out by providing crash RPT-files to BIS in the Bug forums? In Vista they are located in "YourUserName\AppData\Local\ArmA 2\" -folder.

I've never had any crash problems with ArmA 2 from 1.01-1.03.

No use to just to vent out your frustration without helping to solve the problem.

[f2k sel 164]

How about helping yourself out by providing crash RPT-files to BIS in the Bug forums? In Vista they are located in "YourUserName\AppData\Local\ArmA 2\" -folder.

I've never had any crash problems with ArmA 2 from 1.01-1.03.

No use to just to vent out your frustration without helping to solve the problem.

Been there done that. When it's a system freeze and or system restart there is no log.

[AliMag 0]

Hi,

I've never had any crash problems with ArmA 2 from 1.01-1.03.

+1 for me.

The problem with forums is that most people posting are having problems otherwise they'll be playing instead. It gives the impression that the game is a disaster and that no body can play it. This is not true because I believe that much more people have no problem playing the game and are enjoying it.

That beeing said, I also believe that something should be done for people that cant play the game without crashing. Arma II is not like any other game so you cant just say "I'll play something else". Unfortunately there is no other game in that category...

Cheers

[rgallant 10]

So far I have had exactly 1 crash, due to an unrelated program faulting out. Fortunately it was not a program I cared about so I trashed it.

I have a good time with the single player missions and the campaign.

Is the game perfect nope, but it is both fun and challenging.

Now just for naysayers and whiners, I do not have a top of the line system.

P4 E6600 dual core stock

Nvidia 9800 512 Stock

Really old Audigy 2

3 gig dual channel DDR2

I have not done a complete system reload since Windows 98 - I am one of those over 50 guys and lazy.

I have no noticeable lag, I have no idea what the FPS are and they do not matter as the game runs smooth and clean.

[JackandBlood 10]

well sure we all knew when we signed on (eg purchased) ARMA 2 we were going to have a bit of a sit before it reaches its zenith. But hey i'm loving, the armory stuff (try mountain bike manuever course). All this raw stuff, feels like GTA 4 but in the beauty of nature, and helluva better combat.