rekrul 7 Posted July 22, 2009 Has anyone tried installing Windows and Arma2 on a SSD disk with either no pagefile or pagefile on a standard HDD? I'm curious if it gives a performance boost in regards to loading textures faster than a 7200 RPM disk. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JuggernautOfWar 1 Posted July 23, 2009 What are the cache speeds of these new SSDs? I'm tool lazy to look it up. XD Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
campstr 10 Posted July 23, 2009 hi mate .. i know of a person who just recently fitted a 30g ssd and installed vbs2, He was happy with the results, he post in the vbs2 forums the results. all are definatly in the positive as far as performance is concerned.... there was a noticably increase in speed ---------- Post added at 02:06 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:59 AM ---------- * Report this post * Reply with quote SSD and VBS2 Postby Doc » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:09 pm Hey every1, Just thought some maybe interested in my testing of a SSD drive with VBS2 only on it.... System: ASUS M4N78 PRO AMD Phenom II X3 720 Processor (2800 o/c to 3200) 2 x 2Gig DDR2 EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 (1920 x 1080) Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme 60 Gig OCZ Summit SATAII SSD 500 Gig SATAII HDD (7200rpm) OS Windows 7 Ultimate (6.1.7100) 64 Bit VBS2 1.23 YYMEA (13.8Gig) Stats I got...... VBS2 start till menu 7200HDD samples 52,54,56,58 AVG-55 SDD samples 43,39,33,44 AVG-39.75 28% quicker Networking - NEW till create game screen 7200HDD samples 20,23 AVG-21.5 SDD samples 6,8 AVG-7 67% quicker 1st player slot - launch till Mission Brief Screen 7200HDD samples 83,83 AVG-83 SDD samples 65,63 AVG-64 23% quicker Editing Menu till map load - Syrian 10x10ver97 7200HDD samples 20,20 AVG-20 SDD samples AVG 13,13 13 35% quicker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dogtags 0 Posted July 23, 2009 hi mate .. i know of a person who just recently fitted a 30g ssd and installed vbs2,He was happy with the results, he post in the vbs2 forums the results. all are definatly in the positive as far as performance is concerned.... there was a noticably increase in speed ---------- Post added at 02:06 AM ---------- Previous post was at 01:59 AM ---------- * Report this post * Reply with quote SSD and VBS2 Postby Doc » Mon Jul 06, 2009 8:09 pm Hey every1, Just thought some maybe interested in my testing of a SSD drive with VBS2 only on it.... System: ASUS M4N78 PRO AMD Phenom II X3 720 Processor (2800 o/c to 3200) 2 x 2Gig DDR2 EVGA NVIDIA GeForce GTX 275 (1920 x 1080) Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme 60 Gig OCZ Summit SATAII SSD 500 Gig SATAII HDD (7200rpm) OS Windows 7 Ultimate (6.1.7100) 64 Bit VBS2 1.23 YYMEA (13.8Gig) Stats I got...... VBS2 start till menu 7200HDD samples 52,54,56,58 AVG-55 SDD samples 43,39,33,44 AVG-39.75 28% quicker Networking - NEW till create game screen 7200HDD samples 20,23 AVG-21.5 SDD samples 6,8 AVG-7 67% quicker 1st player slot - launch till Mission Brief Screen 7200HDD samples 83,83 AVG-83 SDD samples 65,63 AVG-64 23% quicker Editing Menu till map load - Syrian 10x10ver97 7200HDD samples 20,20 AVG-20 SDD samples AVG 13,13 13 35% quicker Can't wait for prices on SSD to drop, at least to start with. 80GB would be perfect along side a 1TB Hard drive just for storage. I think the new 80GB HP or IBM? SSD's are faster than what was shown above so they are only going to get faster. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
An Fiach 10 Posted July 23, 2009 yea they just need to improve their life span Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
campstr 10 Posted July 23, 2009 yeah a 150g will cost about $1500 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rekrul 7 Posted July 23, 2009 You can get a 128GB for $300 but you really don't need a big disk as it only will contain OS and maybe applications (you can install other programs on a normal HDD). Prices are coming down and Intel are already announcing price drops so it looks like the next step. My HDD is the weakest spot on my PC right now. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SWAT_BigBear 0 Posted July 23, 2009 Kingston has a 256gb that you can preorder for only $1000 (£650).:rolleyes: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baff1 0 Posted July 23, 2009 What I'm intrested to learn is if it defeats the LOD bug. The texture load times, and the games frame rates during streaming. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Dogtags 0 Posted July 23, 2009 yea they just need to improve their life span I am sure I read they have a life of 2 million hours or something like that, not sure about read/writes though. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
huendchen 0 Posted July 23, 2009 (edited) What I'm intrested to learn is if it defeats the LOD bug.The texture load times, and the games frame rates during streaming. I just got a OCZ Agility 60gb for ArmA2 and Windows; the results are fantastic. The textures load instantly and there is no stuttering due to streaming. Very few times I might get a blank head but only for a fraction of a second. Also the load times for missions are (subjectively) only ~30% as long. Also the whole OS experience is just way more fluid, no hiccups with heavy multitasking involving HDD access, applications start almost instantly and you get very fast booting. It's one of the most noticeable upgrade you can get. They are pricey though and you have to research what drives are good. I recommend either Intel X25-M, OCZ Vertex or OCZ Agility. The 30gb Agility is available at below $140, so you could just get that one for ArmA2. Edited July 23, 2009 by huendchen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rekrul 7 Posted July 23, 2009 I am sure I read they have a life of 2 million hours or something like that, not sure about read/writes though. It can read infinite times but writing to it is somewhat limited so you wouldn't want your page file there. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baff1 0 Posted July 23, 2009 I recommend either Intel X25-M, OCZ Vertex or OCZ Agility. The 30gb Agility is available at below $140, so you could just get that one for ArmA2. Thanks for the reply, 60 GB Vertex is what I had in mind, A dedicated drive with just ArmA and Crysis on it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Game__On 10 Posted August 25, 2009 It can read infinite times but writing to it is somewhat limited so you wouldn't want your page file there. I read that as long as you don't defrag the ssd drives have no noticable less liefespan than normal drives ? The data on these drives is supposed to be fragmented, exactly for lifespan reasons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-=seany=- 5 Posted August 27, 2009 I just wanted to know if anyone had else bought an SSD drive for Arma2 and what the performance difference is like? Will it stop the constant stuttering in towns? I was considering this: Corsair SSD Performance P64 2,5" 64GB SATA2, read/write speed of up to 220MB/200MB sec, MLC, Gen 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kklownboy 43 Posted August 27, 2009 i use a SSD for ARMA1(steam) , old school gskill with the Jmicron, was ok no real difference, well some speed in some stuff loading, but from time to time it would be utter fail, and show what SSD do when they loose there mind and get written too. 5sec frame stutter, really 5secs a frame! The I/O count goes out the roof....talking nonstop I/O, 100s of thousands... In a raid setup on a dedicated card on a 4xPCI-e slot maybe good, but as a stand alone drive on a direct sata(ich10 intel) it can be serious fail...money better spent on CPU or Vidcard... Tho i will be trying it again when we get a good patch for A2 and will be using 505/cdwow verison, not a Steam DL 4gb patch BS version. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yoma 0 Posted August 27, 2009 I use an intel x25-m and it's pretty good :-) Have winxp and arma2 on it and just a few basic applications. Swap file is on a "real" hd. I wouldn't recommend a small 30GB ssd, performance does go down when you fill the entire disk and may be lower then the bigger versions from the start anyway. With future addons the 30GB might turn out to be smallish so i'd say if you do get one, get one that's 60GB at the least. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.kju 3244 Posted August 27, 2009 same here. loads times are improved vastly. texture flickering is unrelated to ssd. lod switching is smooth here Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tankbuster 1744 Posted August 27, 2009 With future addons the 30GB might turn out to be smallish so i'd say if you do get one, get one that's 60GB at the least. Agreed. I added up my windows and program files directories and got 34GB so a 60GB drive should be just right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GunSlingerAUS 10 Posted August 28, 2009 I'm using a Patriot TorqX 128GB for my Win7 OS install and ARMA2. Good news = fantastic OS and app performance, faster loading of ARMA2. Bad news = it doesn't fix ARMA2's performance. I still get texture pop-in, and sub 20 fps. Still, if you can afford one I highly recommend it. Windows and productivity apps run beautifully. Just make sure you buy the right SSD - some older/cheaper ones have major issues which can make them perform worse than a mechanical drive. Anandtech has a fantastic article on why, and which drives to avoid. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
koroush47 10 Posted August 28, 2009 I am sure I read they have a life of 2 million hours or something like that, not sure about read/writes though. So 200 years? You sure? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nomdeplume 0 Posted August 28, 2009 i use a SSD for ARMA1(steam) , old school gskill with the Jmicron, was ok no real difference, well some speed in some stuff loading, but from time to time it would be utter fail, and show what SSD do when they loose there mind and get written too. 5sec frame stutter, really 5secs a frame! The I/O count goes out the roof....talking nonstop I/O, 100s of thousands... The JMicron controller, especially old ones, are rubbish. They're not a good indication of what 'real' SSDs can do. Performance can vary a lot; Intel still has the lead but at a high price premium. There's a few companies producing goods drives that are almost as good as the Intel ones at about half the cost. It can read infinite times but writing to it is somewhat limited so you wouldn't want your page file there. This isn't really true either. Swapfiles are actually very good candidates for SSD drives due to their access patterns: low numbers of large writes and high numbers of small reads. This is particularly with reference to Windows 7 where they've done a lot of work because they believe SSD is 'the future'. See: http://blogs.msdn.com/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-a-for-solid-state-drives-and.aspx Regarding the thread: I haven't noticed much difference at all with my shiny new Corsair 128GB drive; however my previous setup had two Western Digital 10,000 RPM Raptors in a striped (RAID 0) setup, so it was already pretty fast. I imagine the difference in going from a single 7,200 RPM drive would be night and day. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Baff1 0 Posted August 28, 2009 So 200 years?You sure? They have a much longer expected life than a standard HDD mate. No moving parts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rekrul 7 Posted August 28, 2009 This isn't really true either. Swapfiles are actually very good candidates for SSD drives due to their access patterns: low numbers of large writes and high numbers of small reads. This is particularly with reference to Windows 7 where they've done a lot of work because they believe SSD is 'the future'.My argument was based on the SSD's lifecycle not efficiency. Meaning your SSD will live longer with pagefile on another disk, however I don't know the actual impact (to lifecycle) this has, so if it reduces the lifecycle from 12 years to 7 my entire point is moot. :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-=seany=- 5 Posted August 28, 2009 How come it doesn't speed up loading/paging when the game is actually loaded? Surely as far the HD is concerned it shouldn't be that much different to loading an application, I mean it's just data transferred from the disk, right? I don't think I would bother with SSD if it wont speed up HD/file access in game, load times aren't really that big of a deal, you only have to load it once. Maybe Ill get one in a year or two when they are competing on par with mechanical HD's. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites