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[fingolfin 1972]

As far as I know the G3A4 was used by the paratroopers.

Excuse my annoying questions, but will the HK69 Granatpistole be included? Without it the Bundeswehr would have no grenade launcher, which could cause some balancing problem. Same problem with missing rifle grenades for the NVA.

Edit: On the <a href="http://www.streitkraeftebasis.de/portal/a/streitkraeftebasis/kcxml/04_Sj9SPykssy0xPLMnMz0vM0Y_QjzKL9443CXMBSZnFW8SbuAXrR4IZ_oYQMaB0sCVIDKIuKCVV39cjPzdV31s_QL

8gNzSi3NFREQDUSej6/delta/base64xml/L2dJQSEvUUt3QS80SVVFLzZfS181NTc!?yw_contentURL=%2F01DB040000000001%2FW26A9DS7768INFODE%2Fcontent.jsp" target="_blank">Bundeswehr homepage</a> it says that G3A3, G3A3 ZF and G3A4 were used.

Quote[/b] ]- mit feststehender Schulterstütze (G3A3)

- mit einschiebbarer Schulterstütze (G3A4)

- als Scharfschützengewehr mit Zielfernrohr (G3 ZF)

[vilas 477]

as for the first release of public beta not all will be included, remember mod will be developing from release to release and it is about few countries in conflict, now we are nearing internal beta 0.2 (or maybe alfa 2 ) whatever called, we are nearring to finish "engine" and "addons" and really start work hard on missions :]

[fingolfin 1972]

Ok, thanks for the quick response!

If you have any further question about the Bundeswehr in the 80's maybe you should ask the guys in the BWMod forum. Many of them are former members of the Bundeswehr.

[echo1 0]

Excuse my annoying questions, but will the HK69 Granatpistole be included? Without it the Bundeswehr would have no grenade launcher, which could cause some balancing problem. Same problem with missing rifle grenades for the NVA.

Didn't the Bundeswehr use the HK79 grenade launcher attachment? If not, I'm sure the problem can be solved with rifle grenades.

[Serclaes 0]

question was basically : A4 in BW ?

Yes, especially paratroopers.

[fingolfin 1972]

Excuse my annoying questions, but will the HK69 Granatpistole be included? Without it the Bundeswehr would have no grenade launcher, which could cause some balancing problem. Same problem with missing rifle grenades for the NVA.

Didn't the Bundeswehr use the HK79 grenade launcher attachment? If not, I'm sure the problem can be solved with rifle grenades.

I'm not sure, but as far as I know they didn't use any under-slung grenade launchers until the introduction of the AG36. Rifle grenades could be fired from any G3 with a solid stock.

[echo1 0]

Now that I look into it, it seems youre right. Then again, its not that unusual as most countries in the 1980s either used rifle grenades, or didn't have any grenade launching capability at all.

[lee_h._oswald 0]

There are two types of g3 mags, will you make both?

The older steel and the newer aluminium.

The alu mag has markings on the left side.

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G3 HK

6/64

6/64 is the procuction date for this mag.

The long number on the right is the "Bundeswehr Versorgungsnummer(every piece in the bw has one)", which is NOT on all magazines.

MfG Lee

[NSX 8]

Check yar PMs, Piotrek - more issues found and reported.

[MontyVCB 0]

Now that I look into it, it seems youre right. Then again, its not that unusual as most countries in the 1980s either used rifle grenades, or didn't have any grenade launching capability at all.

afaik the HK69 was in use with the West German army in the 80s. Was it not called the G3TGS?

[vektorboson 8]

Now that I look into it, it seems youre right. Then again, its not that unusual as most countries in the 1980s either used rifle grenades, or didn't have any grenade launching capability at all.

afaik the HK69 was in use with the West German army in the 80s. Was it not called the G3TGS?  

HK69 is a standalone grenade pistol (which was/is used by the BW). The G3TGS (G3+HK79) wasn't issued in the BW.

[lee_h._oswald 0]

But for the gameplay, you should include the G3+HK79.

Thank god, the cold war didn't turn hot, but I think we can be sure in case of a war the HK79 would have been used.

MfG Lee

[echo1 0]

Wouldn't rifle grenades make a suitable substitute for the GL though?

[Kristian 47]

in case you want closer look to the NVA helmets, I found this for u:

http://www.varusteleka.fi/netta/imgl/nva-helmnetz.jpg

http://www.varusteleka.fi/netta/imgl/nva-helmnetz_2.jpg tell me if you find this helpful, I got few other pics of all some US and NVA of equipment.  

[xnodunitx 0]

Not all the US Apache Squadrons have the same paint, some are Black and Some are Olive Drab or Green.

Ive always liked His apaches however they really aren't that close to realistic, they kinda remind me of the Hunter from GTA San Andreas. The scale on some parts just seem off comparing it to photos, especially from the front view.

This shows some of what I'm talking about

http://www.putfile.com/pic/8317419 //img2.putfile.com/thumb/6/17001501144.jpg

There is no such thing as an apache painted in black.  The paint is highly color sensitive to many camera's and lighting conditions, it may appear light green, dark olive, light olive, brown, dark green and of course black.  

The darker colors are generally due to overshadowing from clouds, but they all have the same color scheme, every nation except for israel who uses a desert scheme, but as I said, camera quality has to do with it as well.

But the BIS apache which has more in common with the YAH-64 has tons more then just a few size issues..here's a list.

EFABS are too thin (also known as the 'cheeks), they should be a bit meatier in width.

The cockpit shape is 60% if not more incorrect, as it stands teh pilots section is very crushed in, the gunners is too spread out, the doors are flat (a YAH-64 effect), they are not even flush with the frame.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5638/juneiids4sr6.jpg

Note how the canopy is not as smooshed.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/4053/1365981969c6262cfeeboph1.jpg  And the doors are round, the gunners door  at the front is however straight and turns round in the end to so it is flush with the airframe.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8809/223487326mwtrhrfseo6.jpg  Another angle.

The nose section is entirerly wrong, as it stands now it is more set up as a YAH-64 then an AH-64A, photo's for reference.

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/9831/yah64a7422249ruckervo8.jpg

The piece above the TADS and underneat the PNVS was different then it is on the AH-64A, infact even the PNVS and TADS night side is.

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1800/207600849765eabeb643opa1.jpg

Note how the PNVS has visible rives and appears more boxy, the night side also smaller and there is a missing piece in the middle, as seen on the BIS AH-64.

Compared to the AH-64A

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/5050/0084672hc1.jpg

http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/5725/0288378iw7.jpg

Now onto the struts..the struts on the YAH-64 were similar but the AH-64A's were beefier, not as beefy as the Delta mind you.

From this angle we can plainly see the front landing gear, what the struts are missing as opposed the Alpha and Delta is the wire cutter, thus making it appear thinner.

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8809/223487326mwtrhrfseo6.jpg  And another angle. http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/31/yah64dasc8601758tx8.jpg

Vs  http://img162.imageshack.us/img162/1530/ah64a29of52md3.jpg

(Sorry for the very modern comparison, the grey was just far easier to see)

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/2152/271433239wzsynqfsjl5.jpg

Since we're on that area another thing to note and this was another major change in the apache's evolution.  The pylons seen on the YAH-64 (which are used on the BIS AH-64A) are as you can see from AH-64A and D were changed to the pylons with pivots.

I'm not going to mess with the M230 because early in Desert Storm it looked like this http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/3666/2076796008f84b028463ogu1.jpg , no brush guard and a thicker muzzle so that bit is accurate (though the muzzle needs to be thickened)

The engine texture was all wrong by whoever thought it wise to add the blinker, only Delta has the strobe and blinker lights on the engines.  

The BIS Apache is also too short, the tailboom needs to be extended as well as made just a bit smaller in the very back, as it stands its too thick.  

The tail rotor blades are innacurate in that they are the wrong shape, too thick and too short on the actual blade whereas on the real thing there is only a small section between the gears that doesn't form the thicker part of the blades.

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/1852/170419051iklkrmfsgx5.jpg

The main rotor is...well...old, it could most certainly use a tuneup.

but what irks me the most through all of the BIS releases would be the rocket pods, they appear as large as the entire hellfire rack wITH the AGM-114's ON the racks on the BIS model which is NOT how big they are.

http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/2158/292069078dxbxedfskc7.jpg  Here you can plainly see that the bottom of the pod is almost equal to HALF the size of the rack.

There are a few other smaller things but to be honest I would just start from scratch, though I wouldn't really expect that to be done..afterall its been this many years and thus far Franze and I are the only ones to have made a new one so I don't really expect much..my only wish is that you apply some of these changes so we don't have a crossbreed YAH-64 again.

By the way, the specular on the stabilizator is waaaay too high to be accuarate, also why are the AH-64D footholes on the Alpha's EFABS?

[Inkslinger 1]

All the issues you mentioned where exactly what I was refering too, just didnt want to have a post like yours.

And to clarify things I have a cousin who was an Apache gunner during desert storm, there squadrons birds where all painted satin black.

[xnodunitx 0]

All the issues you mentioned where exactly what I was refering too, just didnt want to have a post like yours.

And to clarify things I have a cousin who was an Apache gunner during desert storm, there squadrons birds where all painted satin black.

They were? Hm..well there very possibly could have been a color regulation change on the camoflauge painting considering from the start the AH-64A was to be a night strike helicopter as opposed to its 'all hours' now..

[Inkslinger 1]

Funny thing is all there Apache's where where just oversprayed with cans..lol..not quite regulation. from what I understand there where a lot of guys that did similar things to the choppers back in the day, probably why some look like they got some weird kind of green/black camo, since it was just sprayed over the regulation green and usually didn't last long before it started to fade.

On another note I just started a Longbow model in Max a few days ago, hopefully with any luck I can optimize it enough to work in the game. As I'm not experienced at making game ready models most of mine turn out in the 100k+ poly count.

[xnodunitx 0]

If you're willing, send me a PM and I might be able to help you out with that, I had a similar problem with my AH-64A and D in that their polycounts in the end was just too high.. however when I attempted to import it into O2 it appeared it had been moved back and forth too much that O2 complained alot.

[echo1 0]

xnodunit:

Any chances of us seeing your OFP Apache in ArmA? It was by far my favourite helicopter in the old days

[xnodunitx 0]

xnodunit:

Any chances of us seeing your OFP Apache in ArmA? It was by far my favourite helicopter in the old days

That wasn't "my" apache per say, in the case of OFP that was moreso Franze's then mine, all I did was the texture job (which I can't says I'm proud of now).

All I can say at this point is "Maybe", one of our problems with OFP was although yes we had several ideas, I'm sure a few remember the MLRS amongst several others but that was sort of the problem. We didn't stay on one project and thus got too many we couldn't finish.. So right now we are both concentrating on one addon at a time, so it will be some time.

[maza94 0]

If you made polish paratroopers, will you made VDV for russians?

You know, motorized infantry, infantry, specnaz Russian Forces only needed VDV.

And one thing you frogot, polish helmet for apc crews is green.

[maza94 0]

When the first realse? I can play it before holidays end?

[echo1 0]

When the first realse?

When it's finished. Stop the spam   I mean, there are already bits of it released, what's the problem?

[Thunderbird 0]

Updated Apache (still WIP)

[*]Updated Specular/Normal maps, and a few aspects of the model as well. (By Vilas)

[*]Updated Textures in order to make the Apache look closer to the "regular" one used by the US Army. (By Benus)

Regards,

TB