Community Sound Mod - idea

[Blackknight.au 0]

ArmaVidz, why don't you show me where your Official BI Copyright Inspector badge is? FFS, get over it!

[ONI.au 0]

well as soon as you checked sounds against chammy's sound mod and started questioning sources of sound you did exactly what your saying you didnt you implied that there may have been an infringement of somebodies good graces and i jst couldnt be F&%#*d proving to others that our sources are legit it doesnt matter now we are using a proper full recording of a jav with the sound of the gyroscope winding up prior to fire and then firing for our sound so now there is no issue

and as far as trademarking sounds well good for him im not worried about it we never used his sounds and well im over this all together now the mods private now end of discussion

[NoRailgunner 0]

If i'm not to drunk:

In other words - someone is taking steyr sounds from vid on y**tu** or somewhere else erasing all background stuff to have a clean burst sound.... this guy is master of "real" steyr sounds in every game?? Sorry but this is somehow selfish isn't it? Everybody could do that - those are public vids. Not that kind of secret military development or invention. Claiming "sound is mine"

Did they ask weapons manufacturer first because of the origin??

[ArmaVidz 0]

ArmaVidz, why don't you show me where your Official BI Copyright Inspector badge is? FFS, get over it!

<span style='color:darkred'>Yeah, that's what I thought. We're done here.</span>

[acog99 0]

IMO not a soul owns the sounds of anything, especially sounds which come from weapons systems which (if US weapons) are funded by the public and are in the public domain for use. Now granted one area I could see a issue in, is that in Arma on the sides of the M4, it plainly has the "dancing pony" and the name Colt on it, yet no credits are stated in game or in manual about Colt being a registered trade mark of Colt Firearms Manufacturer, Hartford Connecticut, or if they are, I have yet to seem them.

Nobody cares about Colts IP and happiness? =p

Consistency is a wonderful thing.

I doubt any of the mod makers from sound packs will dish out retainer fees for a IP litigation?

So, anyways (see how I get when my sugar gets low) can those of use that dont care what/where/when/whos/how sounds you use/have/molest/abuse/kidnap etc in this new addon, can we have a link when it's done? =)

[.kju 3245]

@ArmaVidz

Not exactly sure, but AFAIK the situation is like this:

Chammy "made" some Jav sounds.

Fromz got permission from Chammy to use his sounds.

These two guys got permission from Fromz to use sounds from his pack.

Maybe you want to clear that up first before coming to these people here.

Like asking Chammy and Fromz.

[ONI.au 0]

acog anyone that wants the mod all they have to do is msg us we dont care if people use it just that it doesnt get ripped to shreds by so called scrutinists  and penile measuring sound freaks worried that  we have stepped on thier toes

we only wanted to have an in game experience that was as close to a real battlefield as possible and to share that with the community now if thats a crime hang me ...im done

[ArmaVidz 0]

@ArmaVidz

Not exactly sure, but AFAIK the situation is like this:

Chammy "made" some Jav sounds.

Fromz got permission from Chammy to use his sounds.

These two guys got permission from Fromz to use sounds from his pack.

Maybe you want to clear that up first before coming to these people here.

Like asking Chammy and Fromz.

I talked Chammy about it - he gave me the link to the sample for the jav. Fromz didn't use that Jav in the FFAM download. The jav I inquired about was the one included in the aacfsound2710 download.

Chammy - at the end of the day doesn't really care. Neither do I - the people freaking out ad nauseum and whining about real sounds being legitimately leached from any mod they can get their hands on, and that's okay, can do so without any recources in the first place.

Not much 'community' in this thread. Ask a legit question - get hammered by people who want to leach any mod possible to get anything they want from it.

Now about this copyright bullshit - there is none. There is courtesy only. I guess it's about time to drop the whole subject as nobody in this thread gives a rats ass about the issue trying to be discussed.

edit - ONI that last post was enough to warrant a nice PM.

Cheers  

[acog99 0]

acog anyone that wants the mod all they have to do is msg us we dont care if people use it just that it doesnt get ripped to shreds by so called scrutinists and penile measuring sound freaks worried that we have stepped on thier toes

we only wanted to have an in game experience that was as close to a real battlefield as possible and to share that with the community now if thats a crime hang me ...im done

Well I want it when it's done please. =)

[NoRailgunner 0]

No don't get this in that way "done". Where do you see crime because of someone is overexcited by Jav/Stinger sound? Sorry but i like to hear it!! Better to face the "Sheriff" (Chammy) than to get shot by "Deputy" (ArmaVidz) without proven reasons. Just joking (Chammy, ArmaVidz) but all doing work to improve ArmA... like Q wrote - ask Chammy the author/creator of CSM what he really like/think. No need to hassle - "Gentlemen, surely we can find an arrangement."

[ONI.au 0]

as far as your pm vids whatever mate  you go your way we will go ours and hope we find ourselves somewhere in the middle we become defensive when you scrutinised the work we did now you tell me what other group wouldnt do the same and we never claimed the sounds were ours thats the very point we have always said the sounds were sourced from 'outside the bi community and gained permission to use them'

so let both get off our high horses i think we are all becoming overheated  and its not achieving anything and if i have offended you then i apologise we  just wanted to get a sound mod built that our gaming community could enjoy not be put under the microscope and told we had to jump hoops like we have seen previous sound mod builders who got ripped to shreds and we saw that this migth be starting to take place and thats why we become defensive ...who wouldnt

edit: and as far as community sound mod we decided to put together our own as was stated earlier in the posts but cbf'd making a new thread about it and if thats caused some confusion and undue tension i myself apologise we should have had the forethought to do that instead of continueing on this thread ....anyways enough said

[BravoMike7 0]

In the words of the 22SAS - "May I suggest a cup of tea?"

Calm down lads. There's more important (and interesting :P) things to be arguing over on these forums. As far as i can see these guys have gone about this the right way.

- Not at any point have they mislead anyone to believe they were doing anything other than what they have said straight out.

- They've got permission when they needed to

- They've given credit for anything they've used and / or borrowed

Thus we can assume that any arguments are basically just that and have no real bearing on the mod itself, which mind you is an amazing mod.

May we drop it and move on with our lives now or do we have to keep pissing until someone hits the roof? :P

[ONI.au 0]

i request that this thread be locked and we all do as bravo mike 7 has said no point pissin in each others pockets it only gets messy for those that may want the mod pm myself or bk and we will get back to you on it

[Blackknight.au 0]

Well , I kinda liked seeing how far we could push poor ArmaVidz with this whole "copyright" rubbish. Lmao mate, don't take things so personally

Anyway, I hope you all liked this performance by the ArmA Theatrical Group and we look forward to seeing you at our next show.

Oh btw, if you could only have read the PM armavidz sent to oni, lmfao!

[ArmaVidz 0]

Well , I kinda liked seeing how far we could push poor ArmaVidz with this whole "copyright" rubbish. Lmao mate, don't take things so personally  

Anyway, I hope you all liked this performance by the ArmA Theatrical Group and we look forward to seeing you at our next show.

Oh btw, if you could only have read the PM armavidz sent to oni, lmfao!  

Many swear words used.

Many interesting points were made.

Much validity raised.

A little bit of talking smack for flavour.

As expected, only the last was read by Blacknight.

As also stated in the PM's, I wanted and tried to TALK to you two about it. It didn't turn out that way.

Good luck with the mod - really.

[ONI.au 0]

actually vids i sent him the msg in entireity  but nvm whole things over  anyways who's for a beer ...damn forgot im not allowed to drink (liver damage) anyways have one for me lol

edit. oops edited wrong post lol

[MEDICUS 0]

Nvm .. sorry for that one.

[chammy 7]

Hey guys, intresting conversation got going here, may I shed some light on this? I need to go back and read the whole thing from beginning yikes.

[ONI.au 0]

no probs chammy mate i just wish it didnt go like this and a lot of the blame goes both ways nobody is at fault all are

and i guess its a learning experience in itself

edit: and i understand vidz's viewpoint all he was doing is enquiring so as to protect his mates work and that is comendable especially in a time like we have in this world now

loyalty is an admirable trait

[Spindry69 0]

Oni have a beer I think you need it.. Oh and i'm looking forward to your sound mod

[Jex =TE= 0]

One thing that always gets me with sound mods is the distance you pick them up from. Having used BPA, CSM and FDF, the distance at which I hear tanks approaching say, changes between the mods and some that sound close by are in fact, miles away.

Is this a limitation of the soundcard (sb audigy 4 in my case) or is this coded? If coded please try and make these ranges realistic and thanks for the work on a new sound mod

[Mark XIII (DayZ) 18]

sorta jumping in here quickly (running a much needed bath..), why not us the forum to post low quality examples & get people to vote for them throughout the week they were posted?

forget this copyright crap, a true 'community' doesn't argue over little things, it rises and joins to create something bigger & better from the sum of smaller parts...

either way this is a great idea, keep brainstorming !

[rstratton 0]

yeah thing is bk u and i both have outstanding soundcards and zalman 5.1 surround headsets

way off-topic but do those zalman's sound good?

[ONI.au 0]

yeah zalmans are da shiz mate they are really good 360' directional sound

[ONI.au 0]

One thing that always gets me with sound mods is the distance you pick them up from. Having used BPA, CSM and FDF, the distance at which I hear tanks approaching say, changes between the mods and some that sound close by are in fact, miles away.

Is this a limitation of the soundcard (sb audigy 4 in my case) or is this coded? If coded please try and make these ranges realistic and thanks for the work on a new sound mod

its actually a bit of both jex depending on the quality of your sound card , how you have your sound levels set,the type of sound recievers you use (quality and type of headset/speakers) and the settings the sound modder sets in place for vehicle sound volumes can change how far away a sound of a vehicle is . now also the game engine also regulates sounds as far as distances are concerned so try adjusting between your in game volumes first and see if you can resolve the issue first there as we have noticed that if you increased the music volume over the sound effects volume then when ur in a vehicle u can actually use voice coms more effectively so you may be able to tweek it that way ....if not i will look into finding out for certain if we can modulate the vehicle distance sounds a little more effectively

edit ohh btw do you realise tanks are pretty fkn loud irl and most of the sounds i do say most are emulated quite realistically ussually an infantryman can hear a tank quite easily out in the field espescially if its birdfart quiet infact its the bane of the infantryman he doesnt want to hear those treads or the engines it usually means he has to put in more effort to watch his ass lol