CheatIdiots.. and BIS... Question about cheaters..

[zyklone 1]

Obviously it won't be acceptable for everyone.

For me it is. Playing on a server is a privilege not a right.

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

and what if someone buys the game tomorrow. Installs, trys to play but cant connect to any server with people in it because his IP range has been banned...

Then what?

O well, he doesnt matter.

If you think IP range banning is acceptable, then you just do it on your own server. Dont come here advicating it as a solution when it has consequences to innocent people.

[Kirby 2]

TeamKill and Cheat is what scum sucking cheating groups stands for right?

We should give them guns, lock them in a wildlife enclosure with electric fence, and let them all teamKill themselves/eachother. Cause tchnicly they'd be on the same team, and we wouldn't.

Althought I doubt my logic works in their little minds. Its too complex!

[RN Escobar 0]

Quote[/b] ]Dont come here advicating it as a solution when it has consequences to innocent people.

and likewise don't come here telling me what i can and can't do on MY server, i pay for the damn thing and i want to IP ban anyone's ass i will

[oChaos.DNJ 0]

No one told you what to do on your server. I dont know where you read that.... Oh this is what I said before that...

Quote[/b] ]If you think IP range banning is acceptable, then you just do it on your own server.

Just pointing out its a bad way of going about banning people.

and when you start telling people its the solution to ban them, well, thats just irresponcible because of the consequences behind banning IP ranges.

[Money 0]

So this is why a two of my buddies couldn't see RN ho-house server when I asked them to come in and join me one time. Before you say "they where cheaters" I can assure you they where not. I've known them for 4 years IRL, they are very mature guys that would never stoop low and cheat! To hell with IP range bans.

[-DirTyDeeDs--Ziggy- 0]

all I know is... I CAN PLAY THERE

[mattxr 9]

I dont think i can and ive only played on that server once long time ago in OFP playing a CTi and then i didnt even get to play the match becuase i got kicked becuase they didnt no me or hadnt seen me on the server before so i was well pissed off and never went back to that server ever again becuase why should they have me as a player go to play on there server since i was unlawfully kicked off a match which i had waited for about 1 hour to play and just beciase they wanted some other guys in my slot who wernt even in there clan.

[RN Escobar 0]

limited spaces means known players and friends get priority, many of the busier servers use this method, its unfortunate for you that u never came back, but not much i can do about that.

you made your decisions.

and i still stick by our range bans, yes i know that some people will suffer, but for those that can connect, or let us know that player X can't connect and get an IP allowed, they had many a good game free from the cheaters and griefers.

its not like we aren't easy to find - a simple google search and we are number 4 on the list, all it takes is a post of the IP's and player names/ID's for an admin to allow some IP's, or at least look into it and make a decision.

[whisper 0]

Russin i see no point to argue over ... it may work for some but it will fail ...

not to mention i can do tunneling to some near zombie

oh well ... you may get rid of some lame kid but not someone skilled

dynamic IP = IP is assigned from range

so as range gets wider then Your problem is bigger

if it's just 255 IPs then You can laugh ...

sometimes it's 65025 range ... You can again laugh ...

but sometimes its many times that value ... and You end banning whole area (e.g. my ISP in my and surrounding countries)

From an ISP PoV : it'll work for long enough time at least.

DHCP leases ain't instant, deconnecting/reconnecting will leave you with the same IP most of the time.

Often, DHCP lease stay for days. That's long enough, if you ask me.

If the guy begins to go through proxys, he'll end up losing more time trying to connect than yourself banning him.

[volkov956 0]

IP banning is a very real option

and dynamic IP's make very little difference if u just ban a range, yes u might also ban 1 other clean player who happens to live in the same area but at the end of the day if u want a clean server then sacrifices have to be made

if BIS had had the forethought to have enbaled the -netlog command from the word go, then there would be a large amount of information on player names, ID numbers and IP ranges allready available to server admins and with a little time and some usefull programs u can collate all the info u need.

ip ***.***.***.*** has connected using 8 different ID numbers, he's using a keygen = BAN

id number ########## has connected from 15 different ip ranges, its a warez ID = BAN

its not brain surgery, just give us the tools, all i need is Netlog, the many servers i admin give me all the info i need.

well if you ban people because there is more then 1 per IP someone like me would get screwed fast I have 6 machines behind the same router and 3 Arma UK DVD Editions of the game and a Checzh Version as well so if if ur banning system is like that what is your server so I don;t waist my time joining a server that bans u cause there is multiple people from same IP Joining

[snake07 0]

IMHO i don't understand why you go through so much effort to get rid of the cheaters. I can understand why people are getting cheesed off with them, but thats life. They will soon get bored and find another game because come on think about it... ArmA is not BF2 or another game like that. ArmA is in its own league. You dont get a point structure earning ranks and such or unlocking certain elements of the game. All they can do is TK and use some stupid ass hacks for pointless results.

I just laugh at cheaters on ArmA. I say just stick with banning there ID, yes you may ban them 5-10 times but they will get bored. Im sure they can't change there ID with a single click, it must be alittle bit more complex than that.

Also, i would of thought BIS could of implemented some kind of anti-cheat program just so they have to work to get through it, once they get through it they will realize its pointless and a waste of time.

I am the main Admin for my J:Ops server and i have 3 rules...

1) TK without an apology = ID ban

2) Caught cheating = ID ban

3) Being abusive towards any member = ID ban

Some people think we are to harsh but most of the time the people that think that cause it. We have alot of regulars that play on our server because of our strict rules.

[RN Escobar 0]

well the probelm with banning ID's and endlessly banning ID's is that u end up with the same problem as banning IP's

yes the keygen will provide 9-10 digit ID's so u can ban those all day long.

however if u know an ID number u can reverse engineer the CD key out of it, meaning that u can end up banning an ID number that hasn't cheated, u keep doing that and you end up banning as many people as if u'd just banned the IP of the cheater.

there is no fool proof method of doing it, each server admin has there ways of doing it.

@volkov - no matter what ID and IP's u used you wouldn't get the investigation unless u did something to warrant it.

our policy isn't too spend all our time sifting through server logs to ban people for the hell of it, but if player X causes a problem then we check the ID IP etc etc

running several servers also means our decisions aren't based on one incident on one server.

[-DirTyDeeDs--Ziggy- 0]

I dont think i can and ive only played on that server once long time ago in OFP playing a CTi and then i didnt even get to play the match becuase i got kicked becuase they didnt no me or hadnt seen me on the server before so i was well pissed off and never went back to that server ever again becuase why should they have me as a player go to play on there server since i was unlawfully kicked off a match which i had waited for about 1 hour to play and just beciase they wanted some other guys in my slot who wernt even in there clan.

lmfao that is one of the longest sentences I have ever read!

[snake07 0]

@ RN Escobar your completely right matey, but as people have said thats all we can do at the moment. I honestly feel sorry for the people that get banned for no reason but if this is all we can do, people have to realize this and take there anger out on BIS, who most probably wont listen anyways. So you'll end up going back to square one.

At the end of the day, i have better things to do with my life than play silly little games with these cheating little retards. I wont waste my time running around to IP ban or ban an IP range. The way i see it is that it only takes me 2seconds to ban someone on my server and im sure it takes longer than that for the cheating scumbags to change there ID. So in theory ive got one over on them as im making them work. If i ban people that have never played on the server because the hackers use other peoples keys then i can do nothing accept apologize in advance.

[chipper 0]

Is it safe to say the RN has the biggest ban list in the ArmA community?

[snake07 0]

Maybe lol... But are they the ones complaining about the cheaters? Don't think so.

Until BIS get a kick up the bum an sort something out then thats all we can do. Even addon signatures is a start! come on BIS! Well TBH for addons to be released we need the TOOLS!

[RN Escobar 0]

ban list isn't that big actually, it gets pruned as part of general server maintenance.

bans gets lifted, new ones get added etc etc, all part of the job of running servers

in fact our ArmA banlist is nonexitent, not one single ID has been added to any of the ban.txt's on any of the servers.

[kronzky 5]

Just a quick heads-up: scum sucking cheating groups is currently (Aug 1-10th) holding a TK-Contest.

That means there will probably be some increased TK-activity going on on public servers.

So... Keep your eyes open, and your finger on the ban button...

[SWAT_BigBear 0]

Just a quick heads-up: scum sucking cheating groups is currently (Aug 1-10th) holding a TK-Contest.

That means there will probably be some increased TK-activity going on on public servers.

So... Keep your eyes open, and your finger on the ban button...

hmmmm... maybe 1 of us needs to open a special server for their event......

Thanks 4 the heads up.

[RN Escobar 0]

it would seem only simultaneous TK;s count for that comp, so stay out of choppers full of people

[-DirTyDeeDs--Ziggy- 0]

HAHA you can't tk during a deathmatch!!! lollercakes

[Junker 0]

from what i read they cant TK there own.

[Hitman 10]

Just a quick heads-up: scum sucking cheating groups is currently (Aug 1-10th) holding a TK-Contest.

That means there will probably be some increased TK-activity going on on public servers.

So... Keep your eyes open, and your finger on the ban button...

Where'd you find that out?

[kronzky 5]

Just a quick heads-up: scum sucking cheating groups is currently (Aug 1-10th) holding a TK-Contest.

That means there will probably be some increased TK-activity going on on public servers.

So... Keep your eyes open, and your finger on the ban button...

Where'd you find that out?

From their website (which, for reasons you can probably understand, I don't want to unnecessarily publicize here).