official complaint to BIS

[Clavicula_nox4817 0]

to add to that list:

Bet on Soldier

[Heatseeker 0]

Also, we can't expect BIS to give the same support as OFP received. OFP was backed by a pretty known publisher. BIS had obligations to fulfil, and things were different.

You made some good points, except for that one... BIS didnt have obligations to give OPF all the support they did, including <span style='color:blue'>requested addons</span> and releasing the <span style='color:blue'>editing tools</span>, the game was more than playable in 1.30 or 1.85.

They improved and supported their game (and us) on their own instead of moving on to other projects, im sure codies would have liked to push them into throwing out new games ( $ )..

They sticked with their product, improved it all the way and released the tools for people to expand the game. In return we got years of top notch support and gaming.

Everyone knows Armed Assault was put together in a short development period and without the financial support of a big publisher (they didnt have a publisher during most of the development), it came out early and rough because it really had to but BIS are at it again, im not saying they will make Arma perfect but i know they will do their best and i predict years of gaming out of this product. You just have to patient and understand the hard work behind it, it will be well worth it.

The brats (and im not refering to you) coming here with spoiled child attitudes are not accomplishing anything other than disturbing what has been for the most a constructive, friendly and mature place all over these years .

[BraTTy 0]

What gets me too is that I paid 50$ for Arma and people whine like it cost them a years salary.

50$ is alot of money to some but wait till you start driving a car or such.

I put 50$ of gas in my truck a week when i drive it more than 100 miles (lol)

And when I buy gas do I think, that gas isn't performing like the last one , I want my money back. NO

With video games most stores honor a day to a month money back guarantee.You can't beat that can you!

We shouldn't hear any complaining.Either you bring it back immediately and complain to the store or add some input here in these forums to help your investment progress

If I don't like the gas I buy I have the option to make my own

If I don't like the software I buy I have the option to also make my own

[Luciano 0]

Quote[/b] ]Even two:

Söldner

Gothic 3

Edit:

One more:

Boiling Point (actually it was so bugged that I never ever touched it again and from what I´ve read the patches never eally fixed it and support has been long scrapped)

Apart from maybe boiling point, none of those games come even close to being as bugged as ARMA. Gothic 3, I pretty much completed that using 1.0. It had some bugs, but nothing major. Same with Soldner, it didn't have major performance bugs.

Quote[/b] ]You made some good points, except for that one... BIS didnt have obligations to give OPF all the support they did, including requested addons and releasing the editing tools, the game was

Valve/ID released a full SDK with their games. That should make them what? gods of gaming support?

When I said obligations, I didn't mean obligation to us. I meant obligations to the publisher. And dont compare 505 with Codies.

[PONDLIFE 0]

BIS are a small company compared to others, unfortunately how many people are going to stick around long enough to warrant the support that it needs? If you take a look at the whole forum, It has many more problems and annoyances than fun moments...thats the sad thing.

People are already talking about de-patching their game and thats going to make online gaming hard to find a server that has the right version for you to enjoy the game.

I am one who enjoys the single player campaign, the ironic thing is if i was to play online i wouldn't have the command problems that make single play impossible.

I just pray they get things get sorted.

[kestrel7e7 0]

Stop wasting your life being an unpaid beta tester, shelve ArmA and come back to it in two years. If you're lucky it might be a little better.

The post-release development support that BIS gave OFP was only possible because of good sales figures. You can't expect the same support with ArmA if it sells poorly. Nobody works for free.

And no, modders don't have the ability to properly fix ArmA, only BIS can do that.

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]none of those games come even close to being as bugged as ARMA. Gothic 3, I pretty much completed that using 1.0. It had some bugs, but nothing major. Same with Soldner, it didn't have major performance bugs.

This is simply wrong. Gothic 3 was so bugged that the developers had to excuse on various public boards for the bad performance and the ingame bugs.

Soldner was such a bugfest that the responsible ones were actually fired and the the final version already came with an attached buglist.

Söldner is the by now leading all toplists of bugged games.

So either you haven´t played the games or you simply want to push through your point that is simply not valid.

[W0lle 1049]

Quote[/b] ]So either you haven´t played the games or you simply want to push through your point that is simply not valid.

I go for the latter.

[INNOCENT&CLUELESS 0]

@ Balschoiw:

You are the perfect user and consumer. You pay for the way, not for the result.

Wow 400MB patch! Thats worth an applause! Replacing almost the complete game is just an statement for the previous quality state.

4 patches! wooooooow! --- so if they can not get it running after 100 patches - who cares, but hey - a 100 patches - good company.

@ WOlle: You giving points for the best BIS laudatory? I get zero right?

@ Balschoiw: You mixing again business/duty and your personal opinion. It is up to BI the responsibility to deliver finally what we paid for. You can not change the fact that the 1.05 version is still not ready for a commercial release. So if some guys insisting on getting it done asap - what is wrong? I also let everyone be happy who was satisfied with even 1.00. As long as you leave me in peace when I claim what I paid for.

I will still support BIS and the OFP/ArmA testing since BI gave me with OFP a lot of joy in the recent years.

Nevertheless I take it serious if someone sells me for the full price a half finished product. In my world I do not distinguish between other industries and SW/Game industries - both have to deliver quality and the agreed characteristics. That there is a permanent exception, that we by almost always "banana" - SW is just because everyone is granting this. Believe me, they can do better but they are not forced to do so.

[Possessed 0]

I'm starting to understand why this game is still on beta level. Too many of the voluntary beta testers have been die-hard-fanboys and BISexuals. Of course this kind of people are the most eager to get in beta tester positions.

Those people do not want to say anything negative about the game. If they point out problems in the game, they would admit that the game they are worshipping is not a perfect god-like product. They live virtual life on Everon or Sahrani and do not want their illusion to break. Please no OFP-ArmA-religious fanatics to Beta testers any more.

[OIK 0]

INNOCENT&CLUELESS as much sa it hurts i must say that you ve got a point.

True but sad .

[Balschoiw 0]

Quote[/b] ]You are the perfect user and consumer. You pay for the way, not for the result.

When I play around on Sahrani, enjoy all the stuff we already have, I already have a lot of fun and it´s not like Arma is still hiding behind the curtain. Sure there are bugs, but I for myself can already set up some pretty decent stuff in the editor and enjoy it alot.

Quote[/b] ]Wow 400MB patch! Thats worth an applause!

Yes it is. If you don´t share that opinion so be it.

Quote[/b] ]4 patches! wooooooow! --- so if they can not get it running after 100 patches - who cares, but hey - a 100 patches - good company.

As I already said, people always tend to complain, complain and complain. Do you think BIS set up the changelog just for fun ? Maybe you check it oneday and you see that they put in a hell of changes with the patches we already have. Of course that doesn´t count as you are just annoyed and therefore nothing can be positive, right ?

Quote[/b] ] It is up to BI the responsibility to deliver finally what we paid for.

Oh, the "I paid for it" again. As you may know I have been quite dissapointed when I playtested Arma for Gamestar and finally received my german version. But since then a lot has happened with Arma. It has been improved alot. This may come as a surprise to you, but still it has in many aspects from flight model, to AI, to weapons and weaponhandling, etc...

Of course all this does not count as improvements you paid for ?

What do you expect ? Miracles ?

Quote[/b] ]So if some guys insisting on getting it done asap - what is wrong?

And they are not doing exactly that ? They are not working on Arma like mad and have already pumped it to the next level ? No ?

Do you think they will be faster if guys hand out accusations by the minute without actually checking what has already been improved ?

Why do you waste your time handing out acusations and don´t actually try to help BIS by writing accurate reports ? I forgot, you paid for it, so to hell with them. They are guilty !

For some the glass will always be half full because they want the glass to be half full.

[dmitri 0]

Hysterics.

Your solution is what? No patches? Withdraw the game from retail?

Deal with the current situation, add to the buglist, or if your nappy is still wet - leave the game and come back to it in 6 months.

It isn't ideal, but why throw your dress over your head? And "Half-broken"? I've been having about as much fun in the editor as I have in OFP, and I've had a couple of very successful LANs equalling the fun I had playing OFP.

I spent 5 years playing OFP. You think a 400mb patch is going to scare me off?

Some of you only ever play high budget FPS? Any play experience in indie or lower budget gaming? ArmA, regardless of price, is closer to these games than say BF2 or Half-life 2. No backing from a major publishers - smaller development team.

ArmA's launch might have been poorly handled, but BIS doesn't need my coming on here highlighting it every 6 posts as some on this forum seem to do. I'm pretty sure they're aware of the problems. Constructive "whining" is good, but spamming negativity isn't.

[Timblesink 0]

It's not that buggy. Just shit-house AI (for the most part, sometimes they're not that bad)... And the campaign sucks.

Vampire: Bloodlines

The Masquerade

^Buggiest game ever^

Best game ever

[hoot 0]

I wonder if nobody was reading the previews that were done by various gamemags before the release. The czech, the german and even some english gamemags previewed ArmA 1.0 and find it very disappointing in its actual state.

Those of you complaining all day long, were the first ones jumping at ArmA. I would tell that 'blind buying'. When i ordered my three copies of ArmA @ Bol.de (36€), i knew what i would get. I want it, so i bought it for me and friends of mine.

So, the first point is, i knew what i would get just before i bought it, the second is, i've searched the web for an adequate price, which i found @ Bol - clear-sighted, right?

Nobody has ever forced you to buy the game in its current or any previous version. Complain about your own little faults with capitalism or get some experience of life

There is a saying in Germany "Die kochen auch nur mit Wasser" which means, that the folks at BIS are human beings like all the others too. They have the same problems and similar solutions. What we've learned from Flashpoint is to have patience. BIS will solve the problems like they did from 2001 - 2005, when they built fixes in their freetime on our demand for example, just to prevent the holy rest of the players from getting f*ckedup with cheats.

I find it very childish to call those who support BIS with filling the bugtracker, offering wishes for things to be implemented into ArmA, as Fanboys. Calling BF/CS fans as noobs and so, is the very same just in an opposite direction.

I would step gently in blaming either BIS or Morphicon since i don't know what was and is going on behind the curtain.

So, there are the following solutions:

- Play it and have fun with it

- Wait until a patch arrives that fit your needs and you find favour with

- Sell it on ebay

- Annihilate your copy

1.05 runs fine on my Barton 2.5Ghz / 1gig 333 / Geforce 6800GT .

There are some bugs left but i trust in BIS like i did half an decade in the past. Climbing on trees and over some medium walls (just to get off some roofs) would be fine but i think we'll find that as an exclusive part of the american content and patched into all versions 3 weeks later

Call me a minimalist, but i like ArmA the way it is and all the features we love since 2001, plus so much more...

[Danbri 0]

@ Balschoiw:

You are the perfect user and consumer. You pay for the way, not for the result.

Wow 400MB patch! Thats worth an applause! Replacing almost the complete game is just an statement for the previous quality state.

4 patches! wooooooow! --- so if they can not get it running after 100 patches - who cares, but hey -  a 100 patches - good company.

@ WOlle: You giving points for the best BIS laudatory? I get zero right?

@ Balschoiw: You mixing again business/duty and your personal opinion. It is up to BI the responsibility to deliver finally what we paid for. You can not change the fact that the 1.05 version is still not ready for a commercial release. So if some guys insisting on getting it done asap - what is wrong? I also let everyone be happy who was satisfied with even 1.00. As long as you leave me in peace when I claim what I paid for.

I will still support BIS and the OFP/ArmA testing since BI gave me with OFP a lot of joy in the recent years.

Nevertheless I take it serious if someone sells me for the full price a half finished product. In my world I do not distinguish between other industries and SW/Game industries - both have to deliver quality and the agreed characteristics. That there is a permanent exception, that we by almost always "banana" - SW is just because everyone is granting this. Believe me, they can do better but they are not forced to do so.

I couldn`t have said it better myself. I dont really care about small bugs here and there (owning both Boiling point and Vampire,the masqureade) but i do get annoyed when i´m sitting on a near recomended system (with all the latest drivers, cleaned etc.) and getting graphical problems like so many others have posted pictures of, that i actually CAN`T play the otherwise fun game (atleast it seems to be fun in the short periods i actually is playable).

And I dont really care about the price itself, just the fact that I have paid for something that i cant use.

And furthermore i would like to say that the ones who are actuallu making this forum feel sad and hostile are you diehardfans that are so stubborn beyond belife that its ok to relese a game in this state.

And for that matter, having to relese patch after patch is NOT a sign of a good game. Its a sign of a game that was relesed to early.

[Balschoiw 0]

My advice, you´re not happy, take it back to the store if you can´t wait for the issues of your personal preference to be fixed.

If you´d be longer around here you´d know that the "diehardfans that are so stubborn beyond belife that its ok to relese a game in this state" were the ones who openly voiced their opinion about the rushed release, the state of the game and the feelings they had about it first in November 2006 and since then tried to contribute to help BIS fix the issues by posting them in the BTS and trying to help others to find optimal settings and technical settings for their specific hardware.

If you don´t appreciate such, you´re free to leave, sell your game and noone will bother.

[Danbri 0]

And what do you mean with "personal prefference"?

That I could actually play the game without having to ALT-TAB every 2minutes or what?

[Danbri 0]

Dont know if this link works:

http://www.flashpoint1985.com/cgi-bin....t=55868

Otherwise, under "troubleshooting" page 5, ATI-drivers. There is a verry good picture of my own problems regarding the graphics, witch are my ONLY complaint about this game. Not any minor AI-bugs or whatever.

But plz, if you hav a solution to this, be my guest and help me out.

[Balschoiw 0]

By personal preference I mean that everyone is complaining about other issues. How am I supposed to know what problems you have ?

Have you read this:

ATi driver bug

As you can see it´s in ATI´s hands to fix that as it seems.

[hoot 0]

And I dont really care about the price itself, just the fact that I have paid for something that i cant use.

And furthermore i would like to say that the ones who are actuallu making this forum feel sad and hostile are you diehardfans that are so stubborn beyond belife that its ok to relese a game in this state.

And for that matter, having to relese patch after patch is NOT a sign of a good game. Its a sign of a game that was relesed to early.

Do you buy cars without even reading one mag that was evaluating the car for readers? You lay the blame on BIS for publishing the game although you don't have any clue on what was going on, or what was leading to a too early release. If you complain about things you have bought and that does not function at all, in your opinion, is a sign of having no real sympathy to money. I would call it business economics newbish. It is double standard blaming others for your own shortsightedness! We who are with BIS since 5 or 6 year are of course somehow affilated, so it's a bit curious to state that as an argument since it is not differentiated enough. I don't like the bugs that are known since 2001 and somehow reloaded but i made my decision with the knowledge of having this and more bugs in 1.0. Exprience tells, that BIS wont twit its fanbase, people who giving BIS so much back.

Your last sentence applies for the most of the games published today. The market is what is pushing devs and publishers to release a game too early. If you don't like it, don't buy it and for God's sake - read some previews, reviews or whatever before you buy anything. Otherwise it looks somehow funny

[Danbri 0]

Sorry, forgot:

P4 2.8C

ATI X800 PRO (256MB)

1GB RAM DUAL CHANNEL

450W PSU

AUDIGY2

WINDOWS XP

100GB OF FREE HARDDRIVESPACE

ETC.

[Danbri 0]

And I dont really care about the price itself, just the fact that I have paid for something that i cant use.

And furthermore i would like to say that the ones who are actuallu making this forum feel sad and hostile are you diehardfans that are so stubborn beyond belife that its ok to relese a game in this state.

And for that matter, having to relese patch after patch is NOT a sign of a good game. Its a sign of a game that was relesed to early.

Do you buy cars without even reading one mag that was evaluating the car for readers? You lay the blame on BIS for publishing the game although you don't have any clue on what was going on, or what was leading to a too early release. If you complain about things you have bought and that does not function at all, in your opinion, is a sign of having no real sympathy to money. I would call it business economics newbish. It is double standard blaming others for your own shortsightedness! We who are with BIS since 5 or 6 year are of course somehow affilated, so it's a bit curious to state that as an argument since it is not differentiated enough. I don't like the bugs that are known since 2001 and somehow reloaded but i made my decision with the knowledge of having this and more bugs in 1.0. Exprience tells, that BIS wont twit its fanbase, people who giving BIS so much back.

Your last sentence applies for the most of the games published today. The market is what is pushing devs and publishers to release a game too early. If you don't like it, don't buy it and for  God's sake - read some previews, reviews or whatever before you buy anything. Otherwise it looks somehow funny

As i have said elswhere, i have been playing OFP, Red hammer and resistance since they came out. Yes they to had bugs and I was expecting Arma to have them to. But not to the deggre (pardon spelling) that i actually cant play it. Look above att my link plz. You talk like youre the only one who has "stayed with" and "been with" BI since 2001. Ignorant in my eyes that is

But as this thing can go on forever since there so clearly are 2 camps in this "should they have released it or not", that i hereby put down my voice in this, and just sit here hoping that BI will atleast make a comment on this graphic-problems.

But i will most likely stay around to annoy someone else

[hoot 0]

[...]You talk like youre the only one who has "stayed with" and "been with" BI since 2001. Ignorant in my eyes that is[...]

Dude you just want to provoke don't you?! I have never written such an idiocy. It was an reply to your statements but that can also be applied to the others who griped.

My Point is just that: inform yourselves before buying any product just to avoid resentment afterwards. Your problem with having ArmA running very bad seems to be individual, but you've used the same moaning like the others, therefore i've replied that way.

[frederf 0]

Remember, if you get swindled it's your own fault!