Observer mode and replays

[.kju 3244]

as we haven't heard concrete much information about MP so

far, i like to state only as my opinion that oberserver mode

and replay ability is nowadays essential for any potential

successful MP game !

as this is already present in VBS i hope BIS will port em over too.

i want to mainly express my opinion that those are very very

important for various reasons !

(community, competition, cheat protection, more tactical /

professional gaming approch, etc)

best regards

from the offical VBS1 improvements pdf file a short summary for those who dont know whats it about.

Observer module

Quote[/b] ]

The VBS1 Observer module allows administrators to monitor

participants in a VBS1 networking session. It provides a range

of viewing modes, including an 'over the shoulder' 3D view and

also a 2D map view. The Observer interface also displays a

variety of statistics (for both individual participants and for

entire sides).

After action review

Quote[/b] ]

The VBS1 After Action Review (AAR) module is a complete

data recording and mission playback solution. The module

records all movement, fired and wounding or kill events in a

given scenario and saves this data to disk. The module can

then playback a recorded scenario in high detail, showing full

unit animation, units mounting and dismounting vehicles and

hit/kill events. The playback system also displays a wide

range of statistics (measures of effectiveness).

[llauma 0]

These features would be great but I doubt that BIS considers that it's worth it as most players wouldn't really use them.

VBS1/2 is still a product they wanna sell so adding all the 'useless' features from it makes VBS1 useless.

[Espectro (DayZ) 0]

These features would be great but I doubt that BIS considers that it's worth it as most players wouldn't really use them.

VBS1/2 is still a product they wanna sell so adding all the 'useless' features from it makes VBS1 useless.

not really, since vbs isnt a game as arma will be. Its meant to two different groups.

I cant see why they wouldnt want to put in replay and observer mode into arma. Its great in other games.

[stevevcb 3]

The ability to save replays would be incredibly handy for co-op squads. It'd make certain techniques a lot easier to teach, as rather than having to explain it with screenshots and test or by demonstrating it to every batch of new members, you could do it once, save the replay and hey presto, an instant 'how-to' guide.

Also, I want proof when I score a first-round kill at silly ranges

[sanctuary 19]

I remember watching "replays" from some coop competition in Ghost Recon, it was really nice to see the different approaches.

Even when completing by some miracle a difficult mission in single player, i sometime enjoyed to watch again from different point of view.

Replay would be an interesting features in ArmA/Game2 for a vast amount of reasons, certainly not useless even when play testing a mission you made yourself.

[malick 0]

I would greatly appreciate detailes After Action Reports, with different statistics like who shot how many bullets, with what efficiency, step by step action replay, real time on map movement drawing etc..

If these are included in VBS and may not be in ArmA, the only reason I see is money. The engines being "almost" identical, the only thing that gives VBS1/2 a reason to exist is being more professionel oriented, which explains why they are more expensive than the "gamer version"...

[stakex 0]

This would be a pretty cool feature to have, but likely will not be in ArmA in the same form it is in VBS. There will perhaps be a replay, and an Observer mode... but likely not as complex as the VBS version.

Its really something I cant see getting a ton of use. I mean clans and groups of coop players can have some fun with it, and it would make lan games intresting... but your average player would likely never touch it.

[FCOPZ-illuminator 0]

I agree.

A "Observer module" is a must have. Many other games use a function like this, and this function is very usefull.

[robert(uk) 0]

I would love to have an 'observer' mode in this game. Sometimes, I can't be bothered playing, so I like to watch instead. It's like watching a war movie!!!

[Eda Mrcoch 0]

There is "Commander" post for MP mentioned in the previews, so we'll probably get something that may be similar to Observer module. The simple spectator-ish view is possible even with nowadays OFp.

[-p@d 0]

For cheaters?! With the replay I could show to the community if someone is guilty

[aus_twisted 0]

I hope theres a Observer and Replay function, there could be so many possibilities with these features, also replays would be awesome to make movies with.

I'd deffinately would of liked to see replays of some missions I've had both in single and multiplayer over the years.

[noccie 0]

i would definatly want a replay/record function in ArmA.

Mainly for its use as anti-cheat.

Most people and clans who left OFP did so for this reason..cheating

both in league games as publics(coop,cti,vs,all of them)

If we would be able to record our games, gathering proof will become alot easier..no more reporting cheaters and being told u dont have proof (or your proof is invalid because it could be lag or a bug..)

A clear demo of what happens ingame will eradicate this problem (aka make sure ArmA multiplay doesnt turn into cheatersheaven)

preferrably with a online ID checked by BIS masterserver.

Cheat once.. from online ArmA play ,they can play another game or go buy a new copy.

No mercy

BIS made a big mistake by not dedicating enough hours to anti-cheat with OFP, if ofp had good continious anti-cheat support i am sure we would have alot more people still playing this great game (thus more copies being sold..the 1thing that concerns developpers most)

[Heatseeker 0]

A spectator option would be great for those coop games without JIP, because if someone arrives late or joins in mid game he will have something to entertain him while waiting for the next mission plus sometimes its fun to watch .

[funnyguy1 0]

There will perhaps be a replay, and an Observer mode... but likely not as complex as the VBS version.

Well, that`s also my opinion, besides, It hasn`t got to be as complex as the VBS version...

Imagine the top down view on the map, or being able to watch action from everyones point of view, fpp, and a couple of tpp modes like in GR/R6...

"After Action Reports" would also be cool...

[cain2001 0]

maybe OFP TV too to where people on a website can view game in progress on a server. (guest can throught a webist see whats happening on the server).

Well, If its a 1hour work to get it implented, then please do it

[-p@d 0]

maybe OFP TV too to where people on a website can view game in progress on a server. (guest can throught a webist see whats happening on the server).

Well, If its a 1hour work to get it implented, then please do it

Yeah OFP Tv, like Nascar..

"ECL league, watch the match of this evening!!! DSAW vs WASD at 20:00 CET on OFP TV"

Maybe with a dedicated site ofptv.com

[robert(uk) 0]

maybe OFP TV too to where people on a website can view game in progress on a server. (guest can throught a webist see whats happening on the server).

Well, If its a 1hour work to get it implented, then please do it

Now that would be sweet...

[Talyn 33]

I noticed that none of the interviewers popped the question wither or not we’ll be able to record games. It would be the ultimate training tool for clans, it was extremely useful in bf2, picking faults in different strategies, etc. Not to mention how handy it would be for the hardcore coop gamers.

Just imagine the amount of fan-made movies that would appear if such a feature was available.

[.kju 3244]

In todays time this feature is a must have.

Hopefully BIS will see this the same.

You just need to look at like almost any other successful MP game for the reasons!

Observer mode and replays:

=> additional community

=> advertising part

=> makes game more long-living

=> excellent for PvP, tactical squads

=> anti cheat element

etc.

[aus_twisted 0]

If BIS dont include such features in the release then I sure hope they consider adding it later as a patch/addon like it was done for VBS1.

[Lou Montana 101]

Yes, the only matter would be with CTI maps with JIP...

Imagine a AAR of 48 hours! I hope this will be in, with settings on server that allow -or not!- to set observer mode, and AAR record.

Now you'll see how that bullet came on your head !

[paragraphic l 2]

Would be cool though, with CTI every hour gets saved to keep te size reasonable :P

But surely the spectator part would be great to have, even though there is an JIP it would be great to join as spectator if you are not able to play atm but still want to keep your slot or something

Damn, just can't wait for the MP demo

[telejunky 0]

On the one hand it is great for waiting players (you don´t have to wait in the lobby)but on the other hand i think there will be more than only a few player which supports their team with teamspeak when they tell them the hostile positions and where the MHQ is....

telejunky

[paragraphic l 2]

with ingame voice support, Teamspeak isn't necessary anymore.

But maybe BIS have an other system for the spectator, let's say Satelite view or something