AA = DOA

[MKK 0]

Everyone seems to like the idea of releasing the Armed Assault. But I don't! As in the topic title, I think the Armed Assault is 'Dead On Arrival' (used normally with HW products).

Why? Here's my arguments:

1) Everyone wants to have their hands on FP2, but now they have just postponed their release AGAIN!!! Spring 2006 -> Q4 2006 = hopefully in 2007? Don't you all see what game they are playing with us? I'd say they are having meetings where they congratulates each other for keeping community happy.

2) If they are truly using upcoming FP2 engine in AA, they are simply beta testing the engine with customers. That's not right! By concentrating fully to FP2 and not releasing any middle products, they probably could release FP2 in spring 2006. Everyone knows how buggy their last releases were/are and now they are pushing another version out. I surely hope that their bug tracking and software development has been improved.

They also need to provide AA with new engine without any revolutionary features. So what's the meaning of FP2? Just a graphical update for AA? Not a reason for retail package, this could be provided with a patch/upgrade. New missions? This could be mission disc, not a full separate product.

3) As they are splitted with Codemasters, they renamed the product and are looking for a new publisher. This indicates that it can't be any upgrade or add-on for the original OFP product (I know, it's already said in press releases). So why we need another OFP within a new retail box? Is e.g. Half-Life 2 just a engine update with old HL1 levels? NO! What BI should do, is to release OFP2 (or whatever the new name is) and include old OFP1 missions in it as an extra bonus for the players. That's the way to do software releases.

If you're as disappointed as I am, please continue blaming BI for having a product that is already dead... (otherwise, please go to an another topic for thanking them )

[Phleep 0]

Are you unaware of the information given in the last few days. They have been making a more efficient and more functional engine to use with the Xbox and people have been begging them to release a version of OFP with them included and so they have. It is not OFPII engine just the OFP engine with less of the problems.

I for one look forward to it as it will give a fresh chance to sell the game properly without a buggy first release since they cannot sell a game on the XBox without it being virtually bug free and this should make the PC version of the engine more well rounded and in line with the features of other games (bar the insanely large scenarios, huge numbers of units, massive flexibility in mission structure, rolling landscapes, circadian time, MODability, etc.).

[d034rk 0]

I think the community is prudentially enough to wait another 1,5 years. We know that the time is required to produce such a blockbuster. When you look at the planned innovations it should be clear that it won't be possible to release the games by EA-style.

I think I speak on behalf of the community when I say that we take OFPAA as present to shorten the waiting time. I also don't think that they use us for beta-testing, BIS surely don't want to loose their credibility they built up in the last years.

I don't want to rate you by your amount of posts, but I don't think that you know "them" as much as we do. BIS are highly respected in the community, they know it and the last thing they would do is to fool us.

[InqWiper 0]

I know Im gonna get AA.

People even buy VBS1 (expensive) even though they know its not a game. Why would people not buy AA which is a game?

[Garcia 0]

I think your theory is DOA...a very big part of the community is gonna buy AA, and enjoy AA...at least I am.

[HKFlash 9]

Everyone seems to like the idea of releasing the Armed Assault. But I don't! As in the topic title, I think the Armed Assault is 'Dead On Arrival' (used normally with HW products).

Why? Here's my arguments:

1) Everyone wants to have their hands on FP2, but now they have just postponed their release AGAIN!!! Spring 2006 -> Q4 2006 = hopefully in 2007? Don't you all see what game they are playing with us? I'd say they are having meetings where they congratulates each other for keeping community happy.

2) If they are truly using upcoming FP2 engine in AA, they are simply beta testing the engine with customers. That's not right! By concentrating fully to FP2 and not releasing any middle products, they probably could release FP2 in spring 2006. Everyone knows how buggy their last releases were/are and now they are pushing another version out. I surely hope that their bug tracking and software development has been improved.

They also need to provide AA with new engine without any revolutionary features. So what's the meaning of FP2? Just a graphical update for AA? Not a reason for retail package, this could be provided with a patch/upgrade. New missions? This could be mission disc, not a full separate product.

3) As they are splitted with Codemasters, they renamed the product and are looking for a new publisher. This indicates that it can't be any upgrade or add-on for the original OFP product (I know, it's already said in press releases). So why we need another OFP within a new retail box? Is e.g. Half-Life 2 just a engine update with old HL1 levels? NO! What BI should do, is to release OFP2 (or whatever the new name is) and include old OFP1 missions in it as an extra bonus for the players. That's the way to do software releases.

If you're as disappointed as I am, please continue blaming BI for having a product that is already dead... (otherwise, please go to an another topic for thanking them )

Well you seem to have lost many information, so Ill consider you...uninformed.

1) So you think BIS is playing with the comunity by delaying the game? Are you paranoid or what? They  are making this game to be a well made game, not some simple update with bugs. This is a great project that everyone should support.

2) No they arent using FP2 engine on AA. The last uses an upgraded version of the original OFP engine. Check the 3D models of the characters. Higher resolution textures, new water, more triangles on the 3D models, new foliage, etc...

3) AA is not a new OFP with a new name, and you will find out that soon...

Blaming BIS? You create a thread to blame BIS in their own forums? Ok you are definetly paranoid.

[walker 0]

Hmm

Me smell a Troll

Quote[/b] ]MKK

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Gets facts wrong. Only and first post a knocking post.

Hmm who would that be of advantage to?

Still all publicity is good publicity!

Kind Regards Walker

[Heatseeker 0]

Seeing how far BIS wants to go with OPF2 its obvious why they have postponed the game, i wouldnt be surprised if the game is delayed again, i mean their goal is just a gigantic step forward in technology, see how many times S.T.A.L.K.E.R. has been delayed, now that does look like a inovative game, yet not half has much has OPF2.

ARAS is everything we always wanted, a better flashpoint that takes advantage of a number of improvements they have made to the engine while working on the xbox version and VBS1 plus it will bring new content.

See it like this, a game like OPF2 just cant be made in a rush, consider the fact it took ID 5 years to make Doom3 and you understand that this game will take time because it really is alot bigger and more complex, now imagine what would people play if ARAS wouldnt be released, because lets be honest, there is no other game like OPF out there and it is becoming less stable with new hardware.

I think ARAS is definetly a must have because there are no decent large scale war games anywhere .

[SpecOp9 0]

1) Everyone wants to have their hands on FP2, but now they have just postponed their release AGAIN!!! Spring 2006 -> Q4 2006 = hopefully in 2007? Don't you all see what game they are playing with us? I'd say they are having meetings where they congratulates each other for keeping community happy.

2) If they are truly using upcoming FP2 engine in AA, they are simply beta testing the engine with customers. That's not right! By concentrating fully to FP2 and not releasing any middle products, they probably could release FP2 in spring 2006. Everyone knows how buggy their last releases were/are and now they are pushing another version out. I surely hope that their bug tracking and software development has been improved.

They also need to provide AA with new engine without any revolutionary features. So what's the meaning of FP2? Just a graphical update for AA? Not a reason for retail package, this could be provided with a patch/upgrade. New missions? This could be mission disc, not a full separate product.

3) As they are splitted with Codemasters, they renamed the product and are looking for a new publisher. This indicates that it can't be any upgrade or add-on for the original OFP product (I know, it's already said in press releases). So why we need another OFP within a new retail box? Is e.g. Half-Life 2 just a engine update with old HL1 levels? NO! What BI should do, is to release OFP2 (or whatever the new name is) and include old OFP1 missions in it as an extra bonus for the players. That's the way to do software releases.

If you're as disappointed as I am, please continue blaming BI for having a product that is already dead... (otherwise, please go to an another topic for thanking them )

1) Personally, the release date of Operation Flashpoint 2 does not thwart my thought that Armed Assault is a brilliant idea, for whatever reason it's being made for. Operation Flashpoint 2's release date will be well worth it. Armed Assault will be well worth it. I can't wait to see the final product for OFP2, because I know that this extra time will really blow away anything that stands in its path.

2) Flashpoint 2 is somewhat like a build-off, not of OFP, but VBS1 and/or OFP for XBox. I see AA as an enhanced game for folks who don't have VBS1.

All PC games have their bugs, all games get updated when these bugs are addressed to the development team.

Simple. Armed Assault is definately NOT a beta test for OFP2, OFP2 will likely have a Beta test for itself, just like OFP did.

3) Nobody ever said Armed Assault would have any compatibility with OFP1, or any relationship what-so-ever with AA. Owning a title is different than owning the actual game, if BIS wants, they can have compatibility with OFP, as long as it's game engine remains the same, and supports PBO files and all that other stuff.

I don't see what the problem truly is?

Armed Assault is a new videogame being developed by BIS?

So what? Better for us

[bonko the sane 2]

nowadays, if a new game is a hit it will have a +\- 6 months shelflife expectancy, OFP is several years old and its still alive and kicking, if OFP2 or whatever its going to be named will come out in 2006\2007 ill gladly buy Armed Assault and play it for another 1 or 2 years, i bought UT2K4 and HL2, played those for a month and sold them, and those were BIG hits...they were nothing but fancy engines with eye candy, Armed Assault will bring back a LOT of peeps that abandoned our community and some new ones while we wait for OFP2

[bn880 5]

Huh?

I think this AA relase is a bloody good idea, especially if it is done on time with a reliable publisher.

We all want it, and there will likely be a lot of new customers of a different breed, since JIP is there and graphics are better...

Regards

[sanctuary 19]

The OFP fans have been dreaming of OFP 1.5 for years , since the first rumour of it appeared.

VBS1 seemed to be that OFP 1.5 , so the dream was broken.

Now BIS is making OFP 1.5 a reality under the Armed Assault name.

I can't imagine an OFP fan thinking Armed Assault is a bad thing.

OFP2 is far way , but it is not a problem, OFP 1.5 will be here soon and that what is important for us, OFP long time or new fans.

Personnally i don't really care about the opinion of people that don't play OFP/VBS1 or left the community because they prefer other games with better graphics but poorer gameplay and simulation.

I never experienced any games like OFP, and i don't play any other games anymore as they are unable to provide this simulation level and situation possibility, so any improvements on OFP is an excellent move for me.

Long live Armed Assault, and thank you BIS.

[Commando84 0]

Armed Assault won't be a bad thing at all, Fans have waited long time for a roumored expansion pack or ofp 1.5.

i remember the vbs1 and some other project that was similar that was named something that i don't remember but it featured uh-1 hueys , marines stuff and looked almost like ofp 2 pics , but not as flashy

AA got my support and many others, and i will have to judge you for just 1 post and i think you have been living under a rock for many years

[Marshal 0]

The main thing on my wishlist for both ArA and OFP2 would be for them to sort out the problems with cheating. I cannot see the point of releasing any sequal if after lets say a month, the new game has ammo cheats, ID changers, Speed cheats, etc, etc.

Myself, being the owner of the TNT league which has supported this game for more than two years, cheating is definitely the main reason why so many people have left the game because whats the point of trying to compete with players who just click a button to get a better score?

Anyway, I hope ArA is a good game, but from the screenshots, I was hoping of something more on the lines of VBS1.

Only time will tell if the main community comes back to play ArA and OFP2 when (and if) it comes out.

Which leads me onto a question that perhaps Placebo can answer? It seems to me that perhaps Codemasters will be releasing OFP2 under a different team according to their recent press release?  But BIS also has details on their website about OFP2 stating that the publisher has not been found yet for the game?

What is the real answer? Will Codemasters release OFP2 without BIS or will BIS release a new game which is basically OFP2 but under a different name under a new publishing deal? Is that the real reason why BIS is releasing Armed Assault so that by Winter 2006 it will be an established brand which can have the OFP sequal that we all expect?

EDIT: Actually, after going back and having a look at the press release by BIS, I see that they no longer mention the name OFP2 - so its obvious that the game which would have originally been called OFP2 and released by BIS, will now probably be called Armed Assault 2 or something similar. I would still think that Codemasters will release some form of game under the name OFP2 though, but not developed by BIS?

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[Dwarden 1125]

Will be irony if Enemy in Sight goes renamed to FlashPoint 2 ...

[dmakatra 1]

Will be irony if Enemy in Sight goes renamed to FlashPoint 2 ...

It's interesting to see what Codemaster's can cook up with the OFP license. They say it's going to be a realistic sim just like OFP1. But they also said Call of Duty was realistic.

EDIT: Ah crap, that was Activision. Ah well, same shit different names eh?

[chipper 0]

all i know is im happy with BIS and i will buy everygame they make.

[benreeper 0]

I've been playing OFP consistently since the beta demo over 4 years ago. Spending 2 years playing AA while waiting for OFP's sequal is going to feel like a fortnight.

--Ben

PS: I also distrust discouraging remarks from people with low post counts .

[Antichrist 0]

I am really happy with what AA looks like at the moment and I will be more than happy to buy it.

[cozza 24]

no matter what happens. We'll continure to support BIS. I know I will. Even if OFP2 is made by someone else I'll still support BIS. The games are fine and the company is friendly

[4 IN 1 0]

even if they put us on beta testing we wont mind, all BIS need is to say is that it is beta like and would like us to give feeback,

then we would be more then happy to do so

[PRiME 1]

There is a lot of confused people in this thread, stating very incorrect information even when BIS has made clear with press statments etc.

Anyway I think BIS is doing the RIGHT thing, 10 out of 10 for deciding to do OFP1.5 for PC, and in 2005.

It is what I was hoping they do all along as certain things are needed to keep the OFP community going strong upto the distant release of ofp2.

OFP1 is better then VBS1 and .. jesus do I really need to say this?

http://www.bistudio.com/presspages/aapressrelease.html

[WargamingNor 0]

Hmm... MKK; you wouldn't happen to be employed by Codemasters by ancy chance?

[4 IN 1 0]

Hmm... MKK; you wouldn't happen to be employed by Codemasters by ancy chance?  

for a secound there me too have quite a same though no it, yet since some said b4 not to rate him with his post number i think it is right to drop this idea

[PRiME 1]

Yes BIS SHOULD employ me