oyman 0 Posted June 4, 2005 I have some faces from half life 2 if you want them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Llauma 0 Posted June 4, 2005 I have some faces from half life 2 if you want them That would be great... Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bushlurker 45 Posted June 4, 2005 This project is looking better and better! I've had a bit of an issue with heads recently - I reckon even though it's not directly about this head model in particular, it IS about new head models, so I'll go ahead and make the post and hope for some relevant feedback... I'm not much of a modeller, but I can just about manage a texture or two, so it's my small clan duty to do everybodys faces for our online coop and one-on-one games... The guys like to be able to recognise each other at a glance, so a recognisable face is important... We've been using lasers rangers as our "team" for some time now, and it's been pretty good - when Laser released his new rangers and seals I thought "Great! even better models", but when I actually set up the new units it turned into "Invasion Of The Evil Twins"! Apparently, Laser is using a "new head model"... Here's a shot... The guy on the right is a HYK ranger using one of my clan buddies... let's look close... I know the guy so I can say that the distance between the bottom of the nose and the upper lip is a bit big, (plus, he's a fat ba****d and so the head is not nearly round enuff ), but apart from that, crude though it may be, the stock BIS head on the right gives a reasonable result (from front-on! side-on is a different story with the BIS model). Let's look at the guy on the right... who the hell IS that??? It can't be the same guy??? Yes it is! That's the same face model on the new laser ranger, which, so I've been told, is now using the "Nashe Orujie" model... (RHS units use it too, apparently)... Now - with a texture that suits! - it's a far superior model - no question, but look at the length of the nose, the narrow sharpness of the over long chin, the overly long and triangular profile... well modelled it may be, a better profile it may have, but "standard" or "average" it's not! Here's a better known example, since this works better with familiar faces... I reckon everybody has seen the Bruce Willis OFP head that's been around a while? There it is on the right... and there's his Evil Twin on the left... This is Bad News all round for anyone wanting to use the otherwise AWESOME LSR units... I just can't use them! Dammit! More specifically, this is a problem that should be borne in mind by this project... as the head gets more and more detailed, there's a very real danger it's going to get more and more SPECIFIC! Now there's a million cranial and facial types out there - no question - and no one model will exactly suit all, but unless you plan on releasing a variety of assorted head types - (round, normal thin, matrixed with short, normal and long, for a minimum of 9 heads) then one of your major priorities has gotta be aiming towards an "average joe" head, an "ideal" head that's gonna at least give a usable result on most, if not all textures... A final example... This one is Russel Crowe (both these faces came built-in to the LSR rangers pack, by the way)... Now OK - we all know what Gladiator looked like, and neither of these are exactly 100%, but the same exaggerated length nose and chin on the new left-hand head still sticks out a mile... literally! Since I'm not a modder there's no easy way to change these heads, so the only reason I'm posting is to try and make this point BEFORE your new head appears on a unit I'd like to use It would be interesting to see a few familiar faces such as the ones above on your new head Llauma! Offtime - any chance of that? OK - my 10 cents over - back to the guys who actually seem to know what they're doing... Bushlurker PS - If anybody knows of a (reasonably) easy way to replace the head model on a unit without getting involved with full-scale O2 modelling or whatever I'd really like to hear it! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
offtime 0 Posted June 4, 2005 DUDE ! ITS JUST A GAME ! from known ppl i plan adding only all Vietcong game main haracters serious answer: tho i know your right (and very perceptive ), its not a real problem in my opinion Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bushlurker 45 Posted June 4, 2005 hehehe @offtime - yeah, I know it's just a game... but it's MY game! Vietcong heads, huh? You'll want an oval face then, with a nose that doesn't look like a re-entry heatshield then.... hehehe I'm an archaeologist, and some of our guys somewhere in one of the basements do facial reconstruction and stuff with clay on skulls we dig up - I'm pretty sure they'll have literature on all this stuff... I'll ask, and if it looks helpful I'll scan & send u guys it... C ya Bushlurker Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExtracTioN 0 Posted June 4, 2005 Testing the units I work with your new head model and it looks much better with those new head model Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oyman 0 Posted June 4, 2005 heres 7 hl2 faces hl2 faces there in .jpg so you can just change them Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Llauma 0 Posted June 4, 2005 heres 7 hl2 faceshl2 faces there in .jpg so you can just change them Thanx but they are not as good as I had hoped. I guess HL2 uses lots of bump mapping and other fx's. The RTCW textures are better for OFP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Llauma 0 Posted June 5, 2005 I did a small comparision between the current head and an earlier version of the same head. It didn't feel as it evolved anything but appearantly it did. I guess is close to finished now so I can finally map it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
offtime 0 Posted June 5, 2005 hmmmm.... polycount ? this new model looks much better... if theres no big difference in polycount then if you dont mind i would like to use this new one Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
hardrock 1 Posted June 5, 2005 Great job, Llauma! At least you got a lot of support now! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sgt_Eversmann 1 Posted June 5, 2005 Yeah Fantastic Llauma, really great job m8 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Llauma 0 Posted June 5, 2005 hmmmm.... polycount ?this new model looks much better... if theres no big difference in polycount then if you dont mind i would like to use this new one It got more.. 730 I think but that includes the mouth filling Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
*actionhank* 1 Posted June 6, 2005 Goddamn those look good! The one thing that's always bugged me about OFP is the faces, and finally that's being addressed. Oh and can someone explain the AA thing? Not to hijack the thread, but is AA OFP 2? 'cause i saw an X-box video of it, and it just looked like OFP with a graphical incread...the enemy AI still ran right by the player with the gun and ran away to be shot in the back Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Llauma 0 Posted June 6, 2005 Goddamn those look good!The one thing that's always bugged me about OFP is the faces, and finally that's being addressed. Oh and can someone explain the AA thing? Not to hijack the thread, but is AA OFP 2? 'cause i saw an X-box video of it, and it just looked like OFP with a graphical incread...the enemy AI still ran right by the player with the gun and ran away to be shot in the back To make it short.. AA is sort of OFP 1.5 and it will be released this year. It's not the same as the xbox game. The 'true OFP2' will be released next year. So no more questions about the wrong subject or I'll send the spanel bro's after you. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thorgal 0 Posted June 7, 2005 Just a question: How do you do rest of the lod's? Any automated method or you do them by hand as well? T. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nephilim 0 Posted June 7, 2005 afaik maya or 3ds max have a reduce function but if u use oxygen u need to redo them though making lods is easy.. it took nearly 2 months on my head model to get the 0.00 lod in perfect shape.. the 2nd lod took 10 mins with texturing.. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Llauma 0 Posted June 7, 2005 Just a question:How do you do rest of the lod's? Any automated method or you do them by hand as well? T. You do it manually by merging nearby points and do some smaller moves. It doesn't take much time at all. I try to half the amount of faces for each lod. That gives you a fairly good transition between the lods. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
thorgal 0 Posted June 7, 2005 Since I am noob at it ... do you map texture to each face by script or to the whole surface? (for each lod ) T. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Llauma 0 Posted June 7, 2005 Since I am noob at it ...do you map texture to each face by script or to the whole surface? (for each lod ) T. I'm not sure I understood you but I guess the whole surface is the right answer. It's sort of wrapped around the model. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
offtime 0 Posted June 7, 2005 when it comes to gizmo mapping its good to make all lods first and then map them. you set all mapping preferences on first lod and then just map the same way all others, easy way. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
offtime 0 Posted June 7, 2005 10 textures in facestex.pbo to use with Llaumas head i didnt made those textures (all based on other games resources) so i dont take credits for them. i will add more of them in near future :-) http://www.flashpoint.pl/om/public_download/wps/facestex10.zip Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9mm 0 Posted June 9, 2005 Is there a downloadable addon that uses this head? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Llauma 0 Posted June 9, 2005 Is there a downloadable addon that uses this head? No.. otherwise the thread would be in Addons & Mods: Complete Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
9mm 0 Posted June 10, 2005 Well, i was thinking if someone else used your head int his own release. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
