European Politics Thread.

[oxmox 73]

thanx god we are not in Eurozone here, i hope we shall never enter it

The EURO introduction was a harsh cut for the citizen in Germany, they lost massive buying power. In many sectors the prices were just changed 1:1, which was a price increase of around 50% but without adjustments of the income of course. Lots of disinformation were spread, talks about "felt inflation" which was nonsens of course. The income did increase slightly over the years but its still far away from the buying power before the Euro.

The majority in Germany did not want to have the Euro according to polls and if there would have been a referendum, I bet politicians would have not been successful with the introduction of the new currency.

[mistyronin 1181]

That happened in most of the countries of the Eurozone. We all lost a massive buying power. I remember that with virtually the same salary a coffee that used to cost the equivalent of 1€, costed 3-4€. Or Playstation games that costed the equivalent of 50€ costed the next day 60-70€.

The Euro introduction was a big mistake at that time. It was a really bad idea without a proper central bank and common fiscal and economic policies. Now things have improved in that sense, but we payed, and are still paying the consequences.

[oxmox 73]

Royals told: open archives on family ties to Nazi regime

Historian urges that secret correspondence be made public to reveal

the truth after Queen’s Nazi salute footage released

“The royal family can’t suppress their own history for ever,†said Karina Urbach of the Institute of Historical Research at the University of London. “This is censorship. Censorship is not a democratic value. They have to face their past. I’m coming from a country, Germany, where we all have to face our past.â€

Helen McCarthy, a historian of modern Britain at Queen Mary University of London, echoed Urbach’s comments, tweeting that “if Royal Archives were more accessible & welcoming to researchers, ‘shock’ discoveries like Sun’s front page could be put in better contextâ€.

Many expressed incredulity that the paper had published the actions of a child. But the managing editor, Stig Abell, defended publication. “It is an important and interesting issue, the extent to which the British aristocracy – notably Edward VIII, in this case – in the 1930s, were sympathetic towards fascism,†he said

Urbach, author of Go-Betweens for Hitler, a new book about the relationship between the royals and the Nazis, has spent years trying to gain access to documents relating to Nazi Germany held in the royal archives. She described the archives, in Windsor Castle’s Round Tower, as “a beautiful place to work but not if you want to work on 20th-century material … you don’t get any access to anything political after 1918â€.

“We know that after ’45 there was a big cleanup operation,†Urbach said. “The royals were very worried about correspondence resurfacing and so it was destroyed.â€

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/jul/18/royal-family-archives-queen-nazi-salute?CMP=ema_565

[vilas 477]

in the internet in my language i see that there is big "revisionism" movement alive , people start to dig for WW2 secrets more than before, and cooperation of western elites with nazis are no secret, i just wait when secrets will come out about US financial elites inculing people whom Hitler told to be under-human,

and what happened with nazis after war along with all gold from my country , cause my country lost all gold we had (75 tonnes of Gold from our bank, worthy now over 2.8 bilion dollars ) and nazis with their secrets escaped to South America and who knows if current plans of "international government" or bringing jihadists to Europe (because they were allie to SS) is not their plan to weaken humanity because they aim into destruction of humanity and leaving only small group ,

WW2 secrets are answers for some modern ways of ruling just like Stalin/NKVD too (children of Stalin NKVD criminals haven't disappeared, those kids , grandsons live now under changed names, some have big fortune or power (media, army, judges, high ranked officials) ) while victims's children are poor ,

for me most interesting would be investigation on Polish gold, cause 75 tonnes dissapeared in first weeks of WW2, Poland never get compensations (Stalin politics was not to demand compensation from Germany), than western allies took parts of this gold, and all wealth of my country was robbed both by Germany and western Allies ,

if there would be possibility to somehow take back those money, it would be serious budget income to take it back,

Royal Family as well as many nobles in 30s belived in eugenics, in under-human, superior-human races,

i would not be as interested if i haven't been part of those under-humen , no matter what to say about USSR post WW2, it was not USSR that made 75 tonnes of gold disappear, also it was not only Third Reich,

[vilas 477]

example how politicians lie (from my country http://img4.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201507/1437491736_cu1evt_600.jpg )

we have so called "audiovisual fee" paid on state-owned radio and television channels, law says it is to be paid by anyone who has TV-set, radio-set,

people protested against it, people said "we do not watch government TV channel, why we have to pay for it"

before election :

currently ruling party promised to deleted this fee for retired people so they would not have to pay this fee from small salary,

in governing after election:

ruling party changed law,

they raised this fee plus now this fee is ... part of income tax ! it is included in PIT-declaration (Personal Income Tax) paid also by retired people ,

and everyone has to pay it , including people who DO NOT HAVE tv-set, neither radio-set,

so even people who do not watch TV (like me, cause i use only internet websites to get news) have to pay this fee in tax , before it I was not obeyed to pay this fee (cause i do not watch TV and i do not want to pay tax for their soap operas " L like Love" or dancing/singing contests for celebrities "what melody is this" )

so :

- before election "we will delete fee for people with income lower than < x "

- after election "fee is bigger and is must for everyone"

this is what politicians are and why we citizens should have more power

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http://img2.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201507/1437430063_iavonm_600.jpg

Poland gonna finance AIDS treatment for immigrants with AIDS,

year therapy is 11 000 Euro,

immigrants from Africa for sure will come with AIDS

there is no money for our citizen cancer treatment, there is big malnutrition of our kids (ca 600-800 000 Polish kids suffer from poverty and malnutricion), ca 8% of population lives under poverty line, but money for immigrants and their medical treatment are in budget :/

as i wrote few times , due to bad budget situation in my country, our country stopped some refunding in medical treatment (i gave examples)

meanwhile because of EU order we got to finance and refund such things for refugees , which we do not refund to natives, it is insane and not just ,

taxpayer is refused from help, immigrant from Africa get refunds,

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corruption and EU funds wasting:

http://img.wiocha.pl/images/9/3/933e691b8f47eba952ecbe031650cb61.jpg

bus stop cost 90 000 EUro !!!

not a joke, not it is not joke

http://www.fakt.pl/wydarzenia/nowa-wiata-w-kielcach-kosztuje-okolo-400-tys-zl-,artykuly,544974.html

http://www.naszekielce.com/?q=wiadomo_kto_zbuduje_kosmiczne_przystanki_w_kielcach

http://m.kielce.gazeta.pl/kielce/1,106510,17912967,Dlaczego_kieleckie_przystanki_beda_takie_drogie__Sprawdzilismy.html

this is what is corruption

32 milions of PLN for 81 bus stops

1 € = 4.2/4.3 PLN, 1 $ = 3.7 PLN

can you imagine bus stop can cost almost 100 000 Euro, now you can

lest search ebay:

http://allegro.pl/listing/listing.php?order=m&string=wiata+przystankowa&bmatch=engagement-v6-promo-sm-sqm-dyn-v2-aut-1-1-0629

producers offer such bus stop for 8000 PLN (1800 Euro)

compare 90 thousands and 1800 € < this is how corruption works for budgets of countries

btw maybe you do not know but highest cost of building 1 km of road in Europe belongs to ... my country

100 000 Euro is cost of newest ambulance equipped in all life saving stuff

Edited July 22, 2015 by vilas

[oxmox 73]

Spain raises marrying age from 14 to 16

Spain has raised the minimum age for marriage from 14 to 16, having had the lowest marrying age in Europe.

Before the age was raised, boys and girls could marry at the age of 14 with the permission of a judge. It is now level with most European countries.

The change comes only months after the government raised the age of consent from 13 to 16.

According to El Pais (in Spanish), only 365 marriages involving under-16s took place in Spain between 2000 and 2014 - with only five in 2014.

In the 1990s, however, there were 2,678 marriages involving at least one under-16 - and 12,867 in the 1980s.

One study by the Statistical Institute of Catalonia showed that, in 2013, men in the region married at an average age of 33.6 years, compared with 32.6 years for women.

Ten years earlier, men married at an average age of 30.7 years, and women at 28.7 years.

Legal age of marriage in Europe

15: Estonia (with court's consent)

16: Germany, UK, Italy and others

18: France, Belgium, Sweden and others

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-33636920?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_term=*Morning%20Brief&utm_campaign=New%20Campaign

Lenin statue's head dug up and returned to Berlin

Stone head that once formed part of giant 62-foot tall statue of Lenin in East Berlin to be exhumed for exhibition on Berlin’s monuments

More than 25 years after the fall of the Berlin Wall, Vladimir Lenin is to make a return to the German capital.

A massive sculpture of the revolutionary’s head is to be exhumed from the obscure sandpit where it was buried after the fall of communism and restored to the city.

The head is to be the centrepiece of a new permanent exhibition on the monuments that have disappeared from the city over the ages.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11758356/Lenin-statues-head-dug-up-and-returned-to-Berlin.html

In other countries they get rid of such monuments and they return one for a permanent exhibition, but big discussions over years about a monument for displaced germans .... mmh ?

Edited July 23, 2015 by oxmox

[vilas 477]

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/07/23/switzerland-authorities-in-zurich-refuse-go-ahead-to-too-religious-islamic-kindergarten/

http://www.swissinfo.ch/eng/religious-education_banned-islamic-kindergarten-deemed-too-religious/41560948

http://www.thelocal.ch/20150721/zurich-pulls-plug-on-islamic-kindergarten

Switzerland defends secularity

other sources say that such kindergarden planned to mostly teach Quoran

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/07/23/sweden-muslim-beat-12-year-old-boy-for-having-blue-eyes/

+ in France Muslim destroyed wine section in shop demanding to not sell alcohol and obey sharia by store

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/07/23/denmark-declines-to-take-part-in-any-more-muslim-migrant-relocation/

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/07/22/italy-muslim-immigrants-arrested-over-isis-photographs-of-italian-landmarks-that-warned-of-countdown-to-the-zero-hour/

http://fakty.interia.pl/tylko-u-nas/news-szwecja-pracownica-rzadu-popiera-panstwo-islamskie,nId,1856751

in Sweden - state clerk support ISIS but will not be fired from job

Edited July 27, 2015 by vilas

[vilas 477]

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/prasa/ofiara-gangu-pedofilskiego-opowiada-o-swoim-koszmarze/3p351k

article about how noone reacted on gangrapes commited by immigrants due to politicall correctness in UK (Roterham)

[vilas 477]

another crazy thing from political correcntess,

loosing and soon being phased government in last weeks of their rule try to change laws ,

they want set LGTB above law, crazy thing, they want change law so ... violence against LGTB will be higher punished than violence against heterosexual and threates/defaming gay will be more punished than serious beating heterosexual man, up to 5 years in prison, totaly crazy EU idiotic ideas, beating gay = bigger crime than beating heterosexual , wtf ? EUrope talking about equality wants to make LGTB someone above others,

few weeks ago they made illegal recording crimes without authorization of criminal,

what is leftist philosophy ?

stealing = okay

heterosexual = not okay

since when beating someone other than someone else is different, beating is beating , human is human,

Edited July 28, 2015 by vilas

[spooky lynx 73]

another crazy thing from political correcntess,

loosing and soon being phased government in last weeks of their rule try to change laws ,

they want set LGTB above law, crazy thing, they want change law so ... violence against LGTB will be higher punished than violence against heterosexual and threates/defaming gay will be more punished than serious beating heterosexual man, up to 5 years in prison, totaly crazy EU idiotic ideas, beating gay = bigger crime than beating heterosexual , wtf ? EUrope talking about equality wants to make LGTB someone above others,

few weeks ago they made illegal recording crimes without authorization of criminal,

what is leftist philosophy ?

stealing = okay

heterosexual = not okay

since when beating someone other than someone else is different, beating is beating , human is human,

What will be next step? Making homosexualism mandatory? :lol: The world is going crazy.

[vilas@o2.pl 2]

as i said few times, cancer treatment is not refunded but sex change is , 

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,139758,title,14-letni-Maks-choruje-na-bialaczke-szpikowa-NFZ-nie-refunduje-jego-leku,wid,17747844,wiadomosc.html?ticaid=11556f 

this boy will die due to lack of refunds for his cancer treatment

but man who want to be "woman" will get sex change surgery refunded, immigrants shouting allah akbar will get free house, shame that only Czech president and Orban have balls in EU , great European values, man with boobs over child with cancer, criminals in prisons like hotels, people who want to behead us on benefits from our high taxes 

Czech president said to immigrants "noone ivited you, you must obey our laws or go away"

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1356,title,Na-Wegrzech-rozpoczeto-oficjalnie-budowe-muru-majacego-powstrzymac-imigrantow,wid,17747937,wiadomosc.html

Hungary builds a wall to stop islamists flow to Hungary from former Yugoslavian area

[vilas@o2.pl 2]

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/08/02/netherlands-50-70-of-former-muslim-asylum-seekers-live-permanently-on-welfare/

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/08/01/muslim-got-swedish-citizenship-and-immediately-raped-a-woman-because-he-could-no-longer-be-deported/

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/08/03/uk-distressed-and-impoverished-refugee-fraudster-had-92000/

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/08/02/uk-jihadi-letter-sent-to-soldiers-family-sparks-police-social-media-warning/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/polish-police-monitoring-200-jihadis-many-entered-country-as-refugees

https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/2015/07/27/sweden-christian-asylum-seekers-hounded-out-of-immigrant-housing-by-muslims/

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/08/guardian-media-coverage-of-terrorism-leads-to-further-violence

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/serbia-professor-of-sharia-law-leads-islamic-state-recruitment

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/uk-muslims-threaten-to-slaughter-soldiers-wives-and-families

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/uk-muslim-schools-accused-of-anti-christian-chanting

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/somali-jihad-martyrdom-bomber-held-german-citizenship

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/canada-muslims-planned-to-infiltrate-synagogue-murder-jews

http://10news.dk/?p=1374#comments

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/eyewitness-on-lesbos-syrian-refugees-not-impoverished-hungry-or-thirsty

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/07/saudi-official-calls-on-international-community-to-criminalize-criticism-of-islam

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back on economy:

http://wpolityce.pl/gospodarka/261294-niestety-polscy-rolnicy-beda-musieli-zaplacic-660-mln-zl-kar

Polish farmers must pay 162 000 000 € fines for producing too much milk , as said before, EU =USSR2, they tell farmers how much cows, milk, pigs they can have, no free market 

but Brussels decide how much milk can cow give in which country 

[St. Jimmy 272]

Just wow about that milk issue.

[papanowel 120]

 

back on economy:

http://wpolityce.pl/gospodarka/261294-niestety-polscy-rolnicy-beda-musieli-zaplacic-660-mln-zl-kar

Polish farmers must pay 162 000 000 € fines for producing too much milk , as said before, EU =USSR2, they tell farmers how much cows, milk, pigs they can have, no free market 

but Brussels decide how much milk can cow give in which country 

 

It won't happen any more since there is no more milk quota in EU (1st of April 2015). It was like that for the last 30 year... 

[spooky lynx 73]

I ask Polish forum members for some clarifications about newly elected president of Poland, A.Duda: is that person really his relative (claimed to be granduncle)?

[Rydygier 1317]

I can only say, what I found in Polish net. First, I found this:

 

 

Someone is asking Andrzej Duda for dementi on the gossip, so his grandfather was Mychajło Duda. Andrzej Duda answered, so it's bullshit, his grandfather is Alojzy Duda, that lived in Stary Sącz, was a furrier and died 01.07.1992.

 

Then there is youtube interview about ancestors of Andrzej Duda (talking is his father):

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hj3GR4lmcpg 

 

It is said, so Andrzej's grand-grandfathers was Jan and Rozalia, they had 9 children, but several of them died early during a pestilence in 1905. Sons, that lived: Alojzy, Franciszek and Józef (shown on 1:45). No MychajÅ‚o amongst them, plus, this is Polish family, only Polish names there. MychajÅ‚o isn't Polish, it's Ukrainian. 

 

Personally I didn't heard this gossip, apparently it was spread during election campaign by someone to discredit Andrzej Duda (in irrational way of course - a man doesn't choose own ancestors anyway). 

[vilas@o2.pl 2]

plus his name is one of most popular names in this country apart from Nowak, Kowalski, Wisniewski, according to police stats ca. 40 000 people have such name  which is 1 permile of society has this name , so probably people with similar first name and surname among 40 000 people you can find 500 Andrews + as said, noone is responsible for his grandfathers (unless uses criminal profits like commie children who use family relations as only basis for their career in state administration without skills)

noone of people living on the earth (as we yet do not travel in time) has possibility to choose grandfathers ;)

[vilas@o2.pl 2]

in Poland ZUS (State Insurance/Retired Agency) send letters to many many people with foreseen pension height

people have foreseen pension (at retired age) ca 200-300 Euro (i have 1250 PLN/ 297 Euro prognosis for 2045) this is insane , that so much taxes wasted and they foresee retirement pension as 200-300 euro in 2045 (if salary will be the same and person will work all time at today's salary)

they foresee pension to be 30% of last-decade salary of person , which is ridiculous in our conditions (prices almost like in western europe) 

edit:

I meant of course GROSS sume, not after taxation but before (with taxes) after taxation is is much lower

[spooky lynx 73]

Who are this guys?

[Rydygier 1317]

http://falanga.org.pl/

National Radical Camp Falanga ("Phalanx")

[spooky lynx 73]

I'd say they are pretty well armed and equipped.

[Rydygier 1317]

Discussion below indicates, this "armament" is airsoft guns (replicas). Most likely, taking into account Polish strict and highly exclusive regulations regarding possession of any weapons, not even mention assault rifles and such. Some young people with strong need to be "radical" and to feel, they're doing something serious, I would say. Well. At least they may train tactics and such by the way. Since in Poland any territorial defense last years was practically non-existent, people with such enthusiasm look for own ways to externalize it as far, as is legal and possible.

[spooky lynx 73]

What's the point of walking at the border with AEGs when real 'banderowcy' may have ordinary firearms that are available in masses since robbing of army and MIA weapon stocks during early days of maidan? Right sector thugs have even .50 cal machineguns mounted on jeeps. Isn't it a bit silly for their counterpart in Poland to boast airsoft guns?

[Rydygier 1317]

What's the point of walking at the border with AEGs when real 'banderowcy' may have ordinary firearms that are available in masses since robbing of army and MIA weapon stocks during early days of maidan? 

 

Exactly. No real point obviously. Nor real need currently either, I think. As said, they only are pretending doing something important, just playing in the woods. They'll probably not admit that, but IMO it's nothing more, than kind of airsoft game/exercise. They picked most suitable at the time "enemy of their vision of Poland" (there was some shooting close to Polish borders with Right Sector involved, as I heard plus that, not other situation on Ukraine), and manifesting "combat enthusiasm" using that enemy as an excuse. They're training maneuvers, they're identifying potential "weak spots" at Polish border, asking locals about possible provocations by "Prawy Sektor". But they, if wise, would be quickly gone, if such supposed "threat" would by some unexpected miracle become real threat (sounds like an absurdal joke, but let's assume...), at most they would act like voluntary recon informing relevant services about spotted "incursion", but real job would be done by Border Guard (+ local Police if needed) or Polish Armed Forces (depending on scale) in such case anyway. Except for training tactics and listed activities it looks like waste of abundant free time and potential of willing, young people, that might do something really valuable in hypotetical Territorial Defense structures and such. Still, maybe better this, than nothing. 

 

Of course, as history shows, even simple "scouting games" in the woods in certain circumstances may become a beginning of something serious, in plus or in minus, but as for today it's nothing more, than kind of game, plus some radical nationalistic ideas in their heads. 

[vilas@o2.pl 2]

http://img.wiocha.pl/images/3/2/32d99de5a1bc5990beab15235dafd5fb.jpg

woman with 1 leg (second leg lost) has refused of social care cause state has no money,

http://www.fakt.pl/warszawa/poeta-spi-w-samochodzie,artykuly,560239.html

this man sleeps in car cause from small social care he is not able to pay rent for apartment (he is ill on cancer, he has 550 PLN benefit)

but... they want to bring 2600 imigrants which:

http://img.wiocha.pl/images/7/0/709f5053f446f89143a026983186addb.jpg

in Italy protest cause "food is too monotonous and they want different food" 

http://img3.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201508/1439152553_il7mae_600.jpg

they throw away clothes given to them for free cause clothes are not fashionable, 

meanwhile immam says:

http://img.wiocha.pl/images/e/a/eab2f43b624af691c13a6cd4598610b6.jpg

"word Islam means surrendering to god, talking about peace is nonsense, muslim must surrender to god's will, you cannot talk about peace cause prophet says about jihad " quote from Anjem Choudary said in interview "Christians are our enemies"

 

http://dorzeczy.pl/id,5575/Choudary-Chrzescijanie-to-nasi-wrogowie.html

he is also happy that cartoonists were killed in France and he is not arrested in UK 

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http://img4.demotywatoryfb.pl//uploads/201508/1439026078_alssrw_600.jpg

Denmark to change law - if immigrant doesn't integrate he has to move out, i do not know if it is true