European Politics Thread.

[mistyronin 1181]

only skills, qualification should decide, other stuff is simply MADNESS

I didn't say that I agree. I just tell you what's on the table.

BTW the official stance of the Polish Gov. Is to be inside the EU, evolve it forward and even avoid others. Heck seems that's even gonna be a disaster for Poland if only one country leaves the EU...

(Huffington Post)Britain Leaving The EU Would Be A 'Disaster', Poland Warns

He warned that a British exit could spark more uncertainty for businesses. "If Britain left the European Union, it would be a disaster for countries like Poland because we would lose the balance we had," he said.

And a less conventional sight...

(The Mirror) What would happen to Polish plumbers in Britain if we left the EU?

The UKIP candidate for Rochester and Strood Mark Reckless had one idea - send them all back.

From all the data we see that Poland is probably one of the most dependent countries on the EU.

[vilas 477]

this Polish gov are guys who in next election in September will lost all cause they have 3rd position in polls

they have very low support now, they will loose elections after all scandals revealed only thanx to internet,

all their power is mainstream media (owned by foreign corporations), but internet is stronger now,

real disaster is that those who emigrated (a huuge number) are no longer taxpayers and country debt it doubled since 2007

we are in danger of bankrupcy due to lack of taxpayers in future

[sudayev 27]

there must be 1 gay, 1 lesbian, 20 women in your company, nevermind you have guys digging holes in the ground

AKA first world problems.

The more I hear of this "EU-gospel", the more I'm happy where I come from :)

[negah 26]

We have a lot of scandals tainting the current german govt, yet Merkels position is getting stronger with each election.

She even uses those scandals to eliminate enemies/opponents in her own party.

People have just given up on politics, Mama Merkel is doing fine as long as there is enough beer and RTL is running.

[vilas 477]

We have a lot of scandals tainting the current german govt, yet Merkels position is getting stronger with each election.

She even uses those scandals to eliminate enemies/opponents in her own party.

People have just given up on politics, Mama Merkel is doing fine as long as there is enough beer and RTL is running.

seems that democracy and mainstream media in more and more countries causes such situation that people even not vote

in my country number of voting people is ca. 40-50 % some municipal elections are 20-30% of voting people

if you ask rest of people - they say that they simply hate politicians and would like to see them dead

internet changed all cause instead from official propaganda (mostly sponsored by either gov or corporations) we have different informations and data

so even government hires trolls (last month Polish corrupted gov admitted they hired 50 people on troll position to demean opposition before parliament elections, so from my taxes those hired trolls will be writing that all is super)

so situation not changed since 1989, before 1989 in "communism" gov was controlling media, now corporations controll media and gov is just puppet of banks, corporarions, puppets of Moscow are replaced by puppets of Brussels or Washington or Tel Aviv

noone really represents OUR OWN business and OUR OWN profit in local market

so people "fought" for democracy and now 40% go to voting and mainstream TV stations and newspapers (which belong to foreign corporations) say that white is black and black is white and anyone who is not satisfied is nazi

Edited June 15, 2015 by vilas

[sudayev 27]

Oh my Gosh, we have seen this stuff on TV (...) holy-moly

"Afrika Korps" in Calais, FR storming and boarding trucks entering Eurotunnel. Where are all the poor women and children? All is see are fit and able men. Why does French side allows for such pathology on public roads and transportation facilities? Where is the law enforcement? Where's is order in this place?

Plenty of such films from Calais on youtube!

Holy-moly

[Rydygier 1317]

Four conditions of partnership with Germany

by Szczerski (future Minister for Foreign Affairs in the office of a new president of Poland, Andrzej Duda - first foreign visit is planned most likely in Berlin, then Paris)

- First, as in its relations with any country, respect for the rights of Poles. Secondly - Eastern policy - Norman format has run out, lasting peace in the region can not be restored without the participation of Poland, NATO, EU, United States. Thirdly, Germany will have to stop blocking the construction of NATO bases in our country. Finally, Berlin has to agree to such adaptation of climate and energy policy of the Union that will allow the maintenance of Polish coal mining. After all, we are not supporters of poisoning the air, I know, because I come from, as president elect, from Krakow. We want to reform our energy and we do it, but not at the dictation, which prevents development of the country and tells us to close all industries - adds Szczerski.

[vilas 477]

EU sickness again:

http://img.wiocha.pl/images/f/0/f0f34153fc31c98d5382f631560120a8.jpg

this child was kidnapped by probably pedophile, she was kidnapped in Poland , she was found in Germany by German Police, man who kidnapped here is probably in German or maybe Polish prison ( http://www.thelocal.de/20150416/kidnapped-girl-found-safe-in-germany http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/203754,International-manhunt-find )

and now ...

her family get INVOICE for transportation back from Germany to Poland

296 Euro to pay for being kidnapped

German Red Cross issued invoice on 296 Euro for family of kindapped girl (which means half of monthly salary of parent of that girl)

criminals in EU sit in prisons like hotel with fitness and victims get invoices (when i had burglary , burglar was not punished, stolen goods were sold and only i get invoice for "witness costs" from court after i sued thief and black marketer)

EU is more and more capsized morally

http://wpolityce.pl/spoleczenstwo/256145-absurd-10-letnia-maja-z-wolczkowa-zostala-porwana-i-wywieziona-do-niemiec-nfz-nie-zaplaci-300-euro-za-jej-transport-do-polski

while criminals and bandits live like on holidays instead like they used to be in past, few years ago pedophilia meant death, if not court sentenced, than honor of other prisoners was to kill pedophile, now pedophiles are protected in separate cells, previously they were getting to normal groups cells and had ... special treatment but hardly they were alive till the end of sentence and hardly had problems with constipation , hahahaha , in past if you had proven pedophilia than it would be better to hang yourself before found yourself in cell with others ;)

now... human rights and pedophiles tried to organize party in one country and family of kidnapped child gets invoice , maybe in some years they will issue invoice for police action in EU

in US you can shoot invader, in EU you cannot harm invader... i do not understand it , i do not accept it, but tragedy of this family shaken me, 296 Euro invoice for parents who earn 600 after their child was kidnapped ( and what are mental problems of child who was kidnapped, trauma for whole life) i just hope if this guy founds in Polish prison, he will get into group cell with old honor criminals and that custody officer will whisper them what for is guy sentenced :D

cure pedophiles can be cheap and effective says Polish demotivator and one fundation against pedophilia

meanwhile elsewhere : http://www.polskatimes.pl/artykul/3515791,holandia-klub-pedofilow-idzie-do-europejskiego-trybunalu-praw-czlowieka-domaga-sie-legalizacji,id,t.html?cookie=1

------

on EU unity ideas Misty :

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1356,title,Niemieccy-Zieloni-przeciwni-wyslaniu-przez-USA-sprzetu-do-Europy-Wschodniej,wid,17636826,wiadomosc.html

German politicians against military help to Eastern Europe countries, is this your unity you talk about ? cause it will harm their business with Russian business

http://swiat.newsweek.pl/niemcy-francuzi-i-wlosi-przeciw-interwencji-nato,artykuly,364722,1.html

Frenchmen, Germans , Italians answered poll that if Russia attack Poland or Lithuania than they should not react and you say about unity ?

there is no unity, it is naive, each nation has its own business cause each nation has its economy relations with other nations (profits or loses)

and if you say about unity, if pro-Russian fighters gonna destabilize Latvia or Lithuania (for sake of return to USSR) than you risk your life for them and die for them if they have to fight ? because if you say so much about unity than you should answer YES ?

----------

http://www.tygodniksolidarnosc.com/pl/10705/60/c/za-mniej-niz-540-zl-miesiecznie.html

7.4% Poles below extreme poverty line,

7.4% Poles live for less than 100 Pounds/120 EU/150 USD per month says official statistic

http://natemat.pl/2457,prawda-o-polskiej-biedzie-w-kraju-zyja-dwa-miliony-ubogich

other stats show 17% of Polish society is near poverty line

http://www.polishexpress.co.uk/skala-ubostwa-w-polsce-coraz-wieksza-7-mln-polakow-musi-przezyc-za-700-zl-miesiecznie/

7 milions of Poles have to live for less than 700 PLN /200 USD/150 Euro per month

meanwhile our politicians from ruling leftist party eat at restaurants dinner for 300 Euro drinking bottle of wine for 150 Euro saying that we should buy flats for Islamists from Africa

Edited June 16, 2015 by vilas

[vilas 477]

a new wave of holocaust denying in German press :

http://niezalezna.pl/68081-wysyp-polskich-obozow-zaglady-w-niemieckich-mediach-jest-juz-patologia

"Polish" death camps issue is told by journalists to be large plague now in German press which starts whitewashing history calling death camps "Polish"

and Misty you still claim EU wonderful unity of nations ? when in polls Germans, Frenchmen, Italians say they are against NATO intervention if Poland or Lithuania is attacked by Russia, when German press calls death camps Polish not German ones ?

once again "nazis" were Germans, Muslims (over 100 000 from different countries, muslims were second nazi power after Germans), Benelux (Dutch and Belgians third nazi power), Ukrainians, Croatians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS_foreign_volunteers_and_conscripts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Polish_death_camp%22_controversy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_camps_in_occupied_Poland_during_World_War_II

there was NO Polish death camps, there were GERMAN death camps

there is even plan in Polish parliament to create law that persecutes (public prosecutor office) by the power of law this issue, cause this issue arisen so much in last months that German and US press is more and more repeating that death camps were Polish, someone (maybe SS-men grandsonsons and grandaughters) started history whitewashing campaign ?

because signals about it were very rare in the past, now, since few months, those signals are very often, so why now it is such often ? in past there was no such problems,

-------

http://img.wiocha.pl/images/f/4/f42f1de6d764b87ffa15a6c022a2db46.jpg

is it true ?

that in UK to not offend muslims people are told to not wear bikini on swimming pools ?

wtf ? sharia in UK ?

Edited June 17, 2015 by vilas

[Tonci87 163]

a new wave of holocaust denying in German press :

http://niezalezna.pl/68081-wysyp-polskich-obozow-zaglady-w-niemieckich-mediach-jest-juz-patologia

"Polish" death camps issue is told by journalists to be large plague now in German press which starts whitewashing history calling death camps "Polish"

and Misty you still claim EU wonderful unity of nations ? when in polls Germans, Frenchmen, Italians say they are against NATO intervention if Poland or Lithuania is attacked by Russia, when German press calls death camps Polish not German ones ?

once again "nazis" were Germans, Muslims (over 100 000 from different countries, muslims were second nazi power after Germans), Benelux (Dutch and Belgians third nazi power), Ukrainians, Croatians

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS_foreign_volunteers_and_conscripts

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%22Polish_death_camp%22_controversy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_camps_in_occupied_Poland_during_World_War_II

there was NO Polish death camps, there were GERMAN death camps

there is even plan in Polish parliament to create law that persecutes (public prosecutor office) by the power of law this issue, cause this issue arisen so much in last months that German and US press is more and more repeating that death camps were Polish, someone (maybe SS-men grandsonsons and grandaughters) started history whitewashing campaign ?

because signals about it were very rare in the past, now, since few months, those signals are very often

-------

http://img.wiocha.pl/images/f/e/febcb1d7c2304bdd0b47ac3d970c7639.jpg

man recorded policeman drinking alcohol in police car (cruisier) and now... he has troubles for unauthorized recording of policemen :/

wtf

those guys were drinking alcohol on duty plus they were driving car after alcohol

That polish newspaper (very sensationalist by the way) is reading waaay to much into that. They are called Polish Death camps because they were in Poland , simple as that. Everybody knows that Germans operated them.

[vilas 477]

they cannot be called Polish

cause word Polish means made by Poles

soon i hope using "Polish death camp" will be persecuted and can be sued

those camps were GERMAN in OCCUPIED Poland

we will never accept "Polish" death camps

those were German death camps on occupied territory of Poland

and i hope we shall have the law to persecute using word Polish death camp, because Poles were not administrating neither organizing those camps, camps were made by SS

it is not reading too much , if someone would told me to face that death camps were Polish i would use my fist, there were no Polish death camps

word Polish suggests it was organized by the state of Poland, but state of Poland was not existing since 1939 till 1945

Edited June 17, 2015 by vilas

[Tonci87 163]

they cannot be called Polish

cause word Polish means made by Poles

soon i hope using "Polish death camp" will be persecuted and can be sued

those camps were GERMAN in OCCUPIED Poland

we will never accept "Polish" death camps

those were German death camps on occupied territory of Poland

and i hope we shall have the law to persecute using word Polish death camp, because Poles were not administrating neither organizing those camps, camps were made by SS

it is not reading too much , if someone would told me to face that death camps were Polish i would use my fist, there were no Polish death camps

word Polish suggests it was organized by the state of Poland, but state of Poland was not existing since 1939 till 1945

Dude, it´s a language thing. Instead of saying Concentration camps in Poland they simply say polish camps to shorten it up.

[chrisb 196]

a

is it true ?

that in UK to not offend muslims people are told to not wear bikini on swimming pools ?

wtf ? sharia in UK ?

Celebs wear next to nothing on TV, so a bikini at the pool is not going to offend anyone. No its not true. Think page 3 (Sun), actually not sure if its still going, but anyway. That's UK for yer..;)

Regards Polish death camps, I think most people are educated enough to know they were run by the Nazis not Polish and in-fact, not run by sensible Germans either.

[vilas 477]

it is not about short in language, it is about whitewashing history and responsibility , because later Jews want money from Poland for what was bombed by Luftwaffe and say "Polish death camps, Poles responsibility, let Poles pay" and it has such consequence which we fight cause it is not our responsibility

they were run by the Nazis

Nazis were from Mars ?

http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/155936,Knesset-to-adopt-anti-Polish-death-camp-resolution

there were no Polish death camps, death camps were organized by SS

similar problem is in post-WW2 Stalin's apparatus of terror

Edited June 17, 2015 by vilas

[Tonci87 163]

it is not about short in language, it is about whitewashing history and responsibility , because later Jews want money from Poland for what was bombed by Luftwaffe and say "Polish death camps, Poles responsibility, let Poles pay" and it has such consequence

Am I the one speaking German and living there or you? Everybody in Germany who reads that will understand it as "Nazi death camps that were on Polish erritory". Nothing more, nothing less. Certainly nobody will read is as "Death camps build and operated by Polish people". Those Polish newspapers you read are waaaay to sensationalist and interpret too much into things.

[vilas 477]

it will be persecuted in our law soon and even Isreali parliament is against such words as "Polish death camps" ; http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/155936,Knesset-to-adopt-anti-Polish-death-camp-resolution

there were German death camps,

who were Nazis ? Martians ?

less educated people in west connect Poles with holocaust because of such "short" in language, there were German death camps and not Polish death camps,

Nazis were German + https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waffen-SS_foreign_volunteers_and_conscripts

Nazis were not mythical race from space

Edited June 17, 2015 by vilas

[Tonci87 163]

OK, one last time. What is easier to write and spell?

"Nazionalsozialistische Konzentrationslager auf polnischem Gebiet"

or

"Polnische Konzentrationslager"

It´s one of those things where a group of people is way to sensitive over a non issue, you know, one of those things you usually like to condemn so much.

[vilas 477]

one sentence is exact, second sentence is lie and such lies gonna be persecuted i hope

because there victim cannot be accused of what was done by invader, because it connects victim with criminal ,

if Mr Smith robbed Mr Shmitd, you cannot say "crime of Shmitd" because it was crime of Smith

when someone raped woman because he found her skirt to short and called her whore (like some pshychopatic killers in history of forensic)

you cannot say "whore" , because mad psychopath raped woman whose skirt was in his mad brain too short ,

you cannot use short which lies , second sentence is complete bullshit and lie, for us it is very big issue, because of all our history

first sentence reminds Putin historical policy of whitewashing history and historical responsibility

and why not Deutshe Konzentrationslager ??? why Polonishe not Deutshe ? why the fuck not Deutche but Polonishe ? if they use Polonishe it is total lie ,

they should use word Deutsche because there were Deutshe Konzlagers, who the fuck so much try to push responsibility on my nation , grandsons of SSmen ?

Edited June 17, 2015 by vilas

[Tonci87 163]

if Mr Smith robbed Mr Shmitd, you cannot say "crime of Shmitd" because it was crime of Smith

Well if it happened in the Shmitd house then the neighbours will call it the Shmitd crime :rolleyes:

Really it´s a non issue and the only people beeing mad about it are the ones who want a politically neutral saying because it "offends their feelings" and the Jews of course because they get offended very easilly when it´s about the nazis. You know, the stuff you usually like to bash so much, funny to see you on the other side of the fence.

[vilas 477]

http://www.algemeiner.com/2013/07/24/polish-auschwitz-survivor-suing-german-tv-over-inaccurate-polish-death-camps-phrase/

http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/142125,Polish-Auschwitz-survivor-sues-German-TV

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/germany/TJPCR49BUMAKP82VM

and cannot compare real offence (and historical lies) with cultural invasion of someone who just came to your home as guest (and eats for your money) and tries to change your life totally by banning all that you love

a friend of mine who was on business trip in Australia some weeks ago also heard from Australian guy question what he feels about responsibility of his fathers for holocaust, cause this Australian who asked him also heard "Polish death camps" and it is really pathetic if German press is using Polonishe Konzlagers words instead of Deutsche if they need to use name of nation,

than why they not say Nazi ? but say Polonishe ?

why German press is so stubborn to use name of nation instead of even using word Nazi ?

and you cannot compare accusing someone of crime with situation when someone is guest into your home and he is offended by your clothes, because if someone visits your home and say you should wear other clothes, than you simply show him exit door

Edited June 17, 2015 by vilas

[chrisb 196]

@vilas

The UK went to war in Iraq, Afghanistan & Libya.

Only many people in the UK would rather not have bothered getting involved. So in-fact, the 'UK government' went to war in Iraq, Afghanistan & Libya. That's really the same as the 'Nazis' in a sense, a party voted in (or not) to government, then taking their own stance on a situation, often a completely different stance to that of the majority of the people in that country, without anyone's permission via vote or referendum. The people of a country often object to what a government does, and certainly when the government say they speak for the people of that country.

But unfortunately its the way the world operates.

Germans didn't run the camps, the government at the time ran them, they were Nazis, did they speak for the whole German nation! read up a little.

Like many things in life and rule, what happens is often not what the people want or voted for. Saying any nation did anything needs clarifying.

Lets go back in time to Germany and put it to a vote or have a referendum, for the whole nation..

Topic:: Exterminate Jews by the million

Vote: how would you vote ??

I think its fairly obvious that anyone with half a brain would just throw the government out and put them in prison. But of course that's easier said than done, when the people have little say in what goes on in any country. Open your mind a little and realise that humans tend to be nice on the whole. But when they get in power, they can start believing they are the only ones that can make decisions, that they speak for the whole world, never mind just countries.

They don't.. They often speak for themselves and their small circle of followers.

Edited June 17, 2015 by ChrisB

[batto 17]

it will be persecuted in our law soon and even Isreali parliament is against such words as "Polish death camps" ; http://www.thenews.pl/1/10/Artykul/1...amp-resolution

there were German death camps,

who were Nazis ? Martians ?

Who gives a shit? Anybody with half-brain can read into it. Get over it. If natioanlists like you who make hassle over frivolous banalities just disappeared there'd eternal be peace on this planet.

[vilas 477]

haha

if someone acuses my nation of crimes commited by other nation and i am against false accusation than it is nationalism, hahaha

so if Soviets attacked Finland in 1940 than it was Finnish crime,

if Russians killed dozens of thousands Chechens in Chechenya it was Chechen crime,

if Serbs commited crime against humanity on Bosniaks or Croation than it was Croatian crime against humanity ?

eternal peace on this plannet would be if people would stop lying, forcing their religion on others, stealing

telling historical truth is not nationalism, because it is real offence if someone uses name of country which was attacked and occupied as country organizing death camps Batto

----------------

@ChrisB than why German press doesn't use word Nazi death camps but started to label them as Polish ?

[chrisb 196]

@ChrisB than why German press doesn't use word Nazi death camps but started to label them as Polish ?

Its just the press vilas.

I stopped believing much of what is written in the press a long time ago. There are only a few papers that report news, the rest report rubbish, that they believe, is the news. The same goes for TV news channels, they're all as bad as each other.

[vilas 477]

but press and mainstream media became education source for many people and later my friend who visits Australia on business trip hears that he has blood on his hands

for many people TV, press is only education they have (school teaches us not history but math, physics, orthography, biology, chemistry most often and if history than mostly our own nation so Austrialian is taugh about Australia history, Croat about Croatian history, Thai about Thailand, rest is from press and from time to time from Discovery Channel if one has cable TV )

so informations presented in media shape people knowledge and voting as well,

and historical knowledge in school is least important , cause it will not give job, so people in school focus on IT or other skills which will give them money in future , chemistry and biology if person tends to be doctor,

but historical knowledge is from mainstream press, mainstream TV, unless someone doesn't focus on studying history ,

average person builds his opinion on press and tv information, cause in school he was taught only about his own country plus mostly on job-required skills such as IT, technology and later such person can say "let Poles pay Jews for holocaust if they built death camps" cause such average person has no idea about WW2 but he is skilled forklift operator and voter

when you look at number of students in my country than:

- Chemistry,

- Mechatronics,

- Biotechnology,

- Telecomunication,

- IT

- Psychology,

- Environment protection

- Economy

- human health and beauty care,

- Math

- Geodesy and Cartography,

- Filology and foreign languages

- robots and automats,

- architecture,

- transporatation and logistics

- journalism,

- electrotechnic,

- nurse and medicine,

- mechanics and machines are most popular dept of university

people know how to program CNC machine

, people know what is C2H2OH+NHSi4 reaction

or this:

but other things they know from press

things i shown on screens will tell much more to average man than what was 13rd division of X army in 1941 doing

cause this is our knowledge:

we know how to build bridge, we do not know who committed crime on who in XXI c

Edited June 17, 2015 by vilas