European Politics Thread.

[Tonci87 163]

Repeat after me: Ctizens of all religions vs. a corrupt government.

You posted some links to polish media and seriously, the impression I get is that polish media really loves to link everything bad to the islam (wich is very convenient because it distracts the people from the real issues inside the country, like widespread corruption). If a dog would take a shit on the presidents new mercedes the polish media would most likely say that the dog was muslim instead of asking how the president can afford another luxury car.

Of course there are tensions between the religions on the Balkan, it´s not as bad as it has been before but tensions do remain. However it is simply too early to blame the whole thing on extremist muslims, especially considering that there are other valid options. However I too think that it might be connected to islamic extremism in some way.

Edited May 9, 2015 by Tonci87

[vilas 477]

wikipedia in English is not Polish website nor websites informing about courts decision in 2012, 2014 etc.

also check latest news on Albanians attacking police station in one town to demand create autonomical region in this city for Albanians,

so people in Makedonia vote for one party cause they feel tension, Albanian minority votes for other party, they not won election, they say they not recognize elections - i see it like this

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/heavy-shootout-disturbs-macedonian-town

look what they say - that groups of attackers came from other country - Kosovo or Albania ? so maybe Albanian extremists /jihadists want to make there another mess,

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/macedonia-police-claims-one-suspect-in-terrorist-attack

http://www.balkaninsight.com/en/article/32-indicted-for-terrorism-in-kosovo

as last link says (not Polish press) there is growing radicalisation of Islam , also in this region, which also is part of tensions,

i will say you was right, if after fights those who would be shot by police/army in ther will be Makedonians Orthodox - than i will say - you was right, it was about politics and corruption

but informations so far rather suggest another Albanian-Macedonian conflict,

http://www.balkaneu.com/macedonian-opposition-albanian-parties-boycotted-annual-speech-president-ivanov/

another link informing about ethnic tensions there saying about Albanians as opposition,

question is - what was voting ethnic structure - it would give good image of politics connection with ethnic and religion issues, cause according to Wikipedia ruling party is coalition of Makedonians, Serb minority ,

Albanian party is told to be opposition by Wikupedia,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurgency_in_the_Republic_of_Macedonia

so those fights now in Makedonia are rather not connected with their government selling bank to Serbia

http://www.focus-fen.net/news/2015/05/09/371641/mkd-macedonia-3-policemen-injured-in-kumanovo-shooting.html

another thing - armed groups moving to Makedonia from Kosovo

Lokalno, Macedonia: Armed group from Kosovo spotted in Kumanovo area

2 days ago

i agree with you that someone can be corrupted - and people may protest - YES

but in those fights there ethnic and religion tension play biggest role and often they are caused by local jihadists,

people protesting against corruption are 1 case, fighters attacking on and on and on are 2 case,

those firefights you reported are firefights which are most probably connected with religious and ethnic stuff,

http://www.independent.mk/articles/17289/Kumanovo+Shooting+Fighting+Continues,+Citizens+Leaving+the+Area

what this information say ? ethnic Albanians living in this area of city

so how was it ? Makedonian police enters part of city which is Albanian part and someone shoots police because of political economical issues ? what probablity of it ?

maybe extremists/jihadists from Kosovo/Albania want to fuel and start ethnic-religious conflict in Makedonia ?

like other jihadists do it in Middle East or Africa - to start conflict ?

before you say i have obsession, please study harder such informations :)

i search wikipedia, than i look for conections,

i read about previous years of fights, tensions connected with extreme part of Muslims there,

now i study such informations like i linked before - as they say "in Albanian part of city" "border crossed by armed men from Kosovo" "attack on border police station in area where Albanians are majority" etc.

in case when opposition doesn't recognize elections carried in Makedonia - it is the best chance for jihadists to make their "business" out there, maybe they want to make another warzone there, for sure we have thread of jihad activity in Europe (it bothers me because Europe was no-violence zone for decades and i wish it stay no-violence zone to travel it as tourist without worries or fear)

Edited May 9, 2015 by vilas

[sudayev 27]

You get the wrong feeling. The mainstream Polish media are Polish only by name and they are controlled entirely by Germany's top publishing houses, nevertheless there are still some 100% Polish controlled titles and TV stations left.

Ersatz news is German-Polish speciality and trust me - they have much better methods to distract people than writing about muslims. Maybe you get the wrong feeling because vilas is a "writer" and sometimes things get lost in translation.

Generally when ersatz is needed to distract people from VERY important things like "Overnight voting to decide whether Polish forests should be privatised and sold or not". Criticising the Muslims openly is against EU-standards and since major titles are in German hands it's not nice to write against major shareholder point of view and his directive. During "ersatz production" they usually focus on domestic things like yet-another pointless in-vitro debate, a priest who turned renegade and preached despite the ban, Night Wolves etc etc... It takes some smart to figure out or see to what is really going on :)

Here is a media breakdown in PL.

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[vilas 477]

yes Tonci, as Sudayev said - most of our press belongs to Axel Springer , Gunner+Jahr

so those informations many times are German media owned

edit:

http://www.independent.mk/articles/17290/Kumanovo+Shooting+Intensifies%2C+Reinforcement+Arrives

50 armed men get there from Kosovo it seems

so most probably Kosovo jihadists Tonci, not internal political corruption accusation problems, most probably jihadists from Kosovo entered to Albanian part of city in Makedonia

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http://www.dw.de/jihad-made-in-kosovo/a-17874069

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=7db_1408224199

yes, Kosovo has problem with jihadists, it seems they moved to make some mess in neigboring Makedonia

http://www.historyofjihad.org/serbia.html

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-hidden-growth-of-islamic-extremism-in-kosovo/5397371

etc.

so Tonci - am i obsessed or we have problem in Europe of growing jihad extremists number attacking different targets in Europe ?

Edited May 9, 2015 by vilas

[Tonci87 163]

The military action in Macedonia has ended. Part of the town was evacuated special forces fought and cleared house by house. It seems as if a few days ago a large (70-80 men) group of people crossed into the country coming from the Kosovo, it looks like they were exeptionally well armed and it is said that they are mercenaries. Their goal is not clear yet but it seems that they planned to attack police stations throughout that area, for that they tried to get the help of local Albanians who declined the offer and reported them to the police instead.

Up to 20 people are wounded and three members of the special forces are dead. Losses among the mercs are unknown to this point but rumors say that some surrendered. A very tragic day for that little town and for Macedonia, and for the whole Balkan really. A few years of peace and now this....

It´s very convenient for the ruling party though wich will now have a respite from the ongoing protests.

[vilas 477]

if not those wars - Balkans are so attractive for tourists -mountains, sea, ancient architecture in one place

Edited May 9, 2015 by vilas

[Tonci87 163]

if not those wars - Balkans are so attractive for tourists -mountains, sea, ancient architecture in one place

That is a real problem, many people still believe that the Balkan is a wartorn ruined shithole, that actually isn´t true...well at least not along the coast.

No seriously, it´s a very beautifull region with very kind and welcoming people.

Edited May 9, 2015 by Tonci87

[sudayev 27]

New from Liberland. Vit Jedlicka arrested by the Croatian police.

https://www.facebook.com/liberland

[Tonci87 163]

Up until now I didn´t even know that Liberland exists :D

About that fighting in Macedonia yesterday:

22 People are dead, 8 members of the interior ministy forces and 14 terrorists. 30 members of the interior ministry forces are wounded and about 30 terrorists surrendered. The Terrorists had UCK insignia on their uniforms.

Tensions between the Albanian minority and the Macedonians are again very high since both sides accuse each other of initiating this whole mess. The Government accuses the Albanians of trying to destabilise the country while the Albanians accuse the government of bringing mercs into the country to stop the anti government protests. New mass demonstrations are planned for next sunday

Ilija Nikolovski, a former Macedonian general who participated in the 2001 fighting in that region says he believes that the terrorists are mercenaries who have been brought into the country to cause unrest.

It is easy to find people who will come to Macedonia, cause unrest in exchange for a certain summ of money and then retreat.

I don´t know who the organizer is and who controls this crysis, but I have the impression that he didn´t foresee some things and that events spiralled out of his control.

[spooky lynx 73]

And all this mess is started after beginning of 'Turkish stream' project, part of which is going through Macedonia.

[vilas 477]

http://wiadomosci.wp.pl/kat,1356,title,Komisja-Europejska-chce-narzucic-obowiazek-przyjmowania-imigrantow,wid,17532821,wiadomosc.html

EU-Comission wants to force member states to take more immigrants from Africa and Middle East, Polish members of EU-parliament reported to press, that EU wants to force countries to take more immigrants (give them social care)

EU is really f*up organization, which tries to force citizens to pay taxes for those who not paid taxes while own citizens live in poverty but newcomer will get free flat and benefits, while own native citizen has to take credit in bank to buy flat and noone gives him benefits (in Poland benefit, social care is given only for period of 6 moths of unemployment AFTER year of employment)

European Commission said they will prepare document till end of year, cause they say they want to put people swimming from Norther Africa to other countries, cause now only Italy , France and Spain has problem

problem of thousands of people swimming from Africa to Spain or Italy is probably well know , but scale of it is large, afair ca. 100 thousands people a year

[sudayev 27]

Brussels have decided that Poland will be the host country to most of the boat people :/

http://wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/swiat/artykuly/490299,bruksela-rozdziela-imigrantow-z-afryki-najwiecej-moze-trafic-do-polski.html

[vilas 477]

i cannot even imagine that in country where:

- 6% of population (15% working age) emigrated because of poverty and unemployment,

- locals have too long terms to get to the doctor, a lof of families live only because their kids on emigration send there money (money from UK to Poland, including child benefits on children which live here in PL but emigrant takes it from UK system),

- people earn like 600 Euro monthly and prices are similar to Germany ,

- in country when pension are ca 300 EU,

- in country when benefits are half year only,

- in country with such poverty someone dares to push thousands of Nothern Africans who do not know our language, are not educated (no job skills), in our climate (cold) people need flats to survive (it is not Italy when you will survive cause it is hot zone and you will never freeze), among them a lot of jihadists, so now how anyone dare to say people who live in poverty "pay more taxes and feed and accommodate thousands of Africans who won't work and eventually behead you" while we do not receive from our taxes enough medical care ourselves,

i just wonder what is possibility to stop this EU action , because so far there is no majority that would vote to get out from EU, this has to be stopped, question is how, i do not want my taxes to go for this, project was pushed in EU by France and Germany - they earn 5-6 times more than us

http://wiadomosci.dziennik.pl/swiat/artykuly/490335,ke-chce-zmusic-kraje-w-tym-polske-do-przyjmowania-imigrantow.html

i work 14 hours daily in 2 jobs, 6 days a week - and wtf ? from my taxes they will give them flats while i have to work so hard to afford small flat , no way, never !

Edited May 13, 2015 by vilas

[Rydygier 1317]

Sure thing, who else is so obedient and willing to do anything Brussels want as Poland - the vanguard of "hurray forward" UE servility? Poles en masse are fleeing from "Polish hell" to the West, while imigrants will flee to the "Polish heaven". Everyone's happy, because all depends on perspective - what's intolerable for some, is a paradise for the others. :/

Frankly, I'm 100% pro helping such people - anyone ready for such desperate attempts has to be in tragic situation (helping in the first place should mean making, so they wouldn't want/need to flee from their own country, while current situation is plain result of rich West selfish approach toward Africa), but should help who can, means the rich in the first place, while seems, rich will "neutralize" very, very poor at the expense of poor Polish taxpayers, because their gov act like UE slaves or something. Well, at least Poland will not unpopulate so much, only Poles will become more colorful.

Edited May 13, 2015 by Rydygier

[vilas 477]

but not from my taxes, i have 2 jobs, i go to one job at 8 AM, than i go to second job at 4:30 PM where i work till 9 PM,

in saturdays i work even to 3 AM doing IT, no f**** way from my taxes, while my mother get term of visit to doctor as 2016 , while my friend waited 3 years for knee surgery

[gammadust 12]

Makes me wonder if the quotas being arranged by the EU Comission will be shared according to the participation/dividends in the wars waged in the countries of the migrants origin, where life was made impossible (Lybia, Syria, Mali, Sudan, Somalia, etc...).

/naif

[vilas 477]

hahahaha, of course not,

A, B, C country changes regime in other country , X, Y, Z plus A or B have to pay for it, than A, B, C will earn more on rebuilding country destroyed during war,

[gammadust 12]

[sIPRI] Mar. 11: Libya: lessons in controlling the arms trade (to give some context to my naivity)

[spooky lynx 73]

Sure thing, who else is so obedient and willing to do anything Brussels want as Poland - the vanguard of "hurray forward" UE servility? Poles en masse are fleeing from "Polish hell" to the West, while imigrants will flee to the "Polish heaven". Everyone's happy, because all depends on perspective - what's intolerable for some, is a paradise for the others. :/

AFAIK the places of Poles in most hard and low-cost jobs are being filled by Ukrainians. So you're right. For someone problems in Poland are nothing compared to their domestic ones.

but not from my taxes, i have 2 jobs, i go to one job at 8 AM, than i go to second job at 4:30 PM where i work till 9 PM,

in saturdays i work even to 3 AM doing IT, no f**** way from my taxes, while my mother get term of visit to doctor as 2016 , while my friend waited 3 years for knee surgery

Keep calm and carry on.

[vilas 477]

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/tygodnik-do-rzeczy-dotarl-do-rozmowy-bienkowskiej-i-wojtunika/w5jmz6

false flag operation carried by leftists against right wing in my country which can cause scandal with Russia,

case if following:

in Poland there is ruling international corporations-puppet government, all media, banks are in hands of foreign corporations (big emigration, almost bankrupt state), and they do all to destroy patriotic right wing which wants order in country and honest government,

so post commies, leftists use Putin tactics "everyone against us if fascits" and they try to discredit right wing (closer to Victor Orban) , and 2 years ago there was accident that someone set a fire under police-security box (guard box) next to Russian embassy,

back than all leftist NWO mainstream media were full of "look , fascits, homophobic xenophobic set fire" and they were attacking right wing for it,

now wiretyped record hit journalists...

it was prepared by left-wing government to discredit opposition, so official government probably organiez setting a fire at guard post (every embassy in my country is guarded by 2 policemen in so called "guard box")

http://rt.com/news/poland-protest-russia-nationalists-551/

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-demands-apology-after-polish-nationalists-attack-warsaw-embassy-on-independence-day-8935342.html

it was provocation prepared by leftists to discredit patriots, a huge diplomatic scandal is upcoming, cause our corrupted government (which in fact cares only about foreign corporations, Brussels, Washington) will not give up till they will sell last square meter of Polish soil to foreign banks or they will turn our society in metrosexual multiculti ...

when they will sell everything - they will escape to Brussels

similar provocations were also on previouse Independence Days , for example Police officers undercover were playing hooligans and starting riots, throwing stones - so later TV could say "look fascists", but indpendent press found proofs that those who were throwing stones - were police officers under cover to discredit opposition, cause if opposition wins elections - than foreign corporations will be taxed - like Victor Orban made in Hungary ,

cause so far eastern europe (new EU members) are rather colonies of rich old EU members,

in case of Germany, France, UK - their leaders care about their own country

in case of new EU members - ruling are their puppets, who care more about German banks than about our own ,

thats why Victor Orban has such bad public relation in western press - he cares about Hungary - what a crime, instead to care for few corporations from UK or Germany

Edited May 17, 2015 by vilas

[x3kj 1247]

so post commies, leftists use Putin tactics "everyone against us if fascits" and they try to discredit right wing (closer to Victor Orban)

Sounds awefully familiar... with public shaming on government owned TV and so on

[sudayev 27]

http://wiadomosci.onet.pl/kraj/tygodnik-do-rzeczy-dotarl-do-rozmowy-bienkowskiej-i-wojtunika/w5jmz6

false flag operation carried by leftists against right wing in my country which can cause scandal with Russia,

[...]when they will sell everything - they will escape to Brussels

I really hope for a solid proof, like a voice record between two Tusk party officials that orchestrated the Russian embassy attack - otherwise these rats and their affiliated media will derail everything and tell to the public opinion - we made, again....!

These fucking rats - "The Donald Tusk Clique" behave like they asses were welded to offices they took and they are not afraid of committing most ugly acts to maintain the current status - even if it means inflaming situation with Russia.

We could see the introduction of "divide & rule" program by rat Tusk and his Civic Platform since the tragic death of president Kaczyński and half of his cabinet.

This is what happened. Someone had brought the cross and set in front of the presidential palace, and suddenly there this man prominent man called "Andrzejek" who presented himself as most committed and most extreme fan of the cross - which sparkled many acts of violence and clashes, leading to a strong criticism of patriotic people. (Two years later this man during GAY parade in Warsaw admitted himself that he was a political provocateur.

Parallel to what was going under the cross in front of the palace was drawn by the media through the entire Poland effectively dividing the society. So anyone who had different than Tusk regime opinion on Smolensk 2010 - was called a paranoid, moron, yahoo, yoyo, psycho, redneck etc...

Everything that happened shows how the current regime is relying on shady characters linked with security service & intel. Not to mention president whose hands are so dirty because of his ties with the communist military intel click that led to many pathologies, revealing sensitive information to Russian FSB and draining of Polish economy big time.

It all stinks so much right now, I just only hope that one day these rats like Tusk will face the State Tribunal and spend rest of the days behind the bars. Poland deserves for truth to finally shake the communist ties and people like a bad habit. Otherwise we will be on our knees doggystyle screwed by a bunch of suited goons.

Sadly It's in interest of Brussels and Berlin to maintain such pathology. They do not want a strong and sovereign country that has it's own opinion, they do not want another Hungary, they do not want anyone who underestimate their rule.

Edited May 17, 2015 by Sudayev

[vilas 477]

false flag tactics is well know since Isreali-Egyptian war of course, but now "stake in the game" is if "left-wing" (in " " , cause they are not pro-social , they are left wing but not in economy, they far from social-care program and opposite to west in Poland right wing is social-care program) will hold power, untill leftists keep power in PL, Poles are cheap labor, western companies are tax free, and there is upcoming danger that in 2016 there will be legal to buy our land by EU-citizens, which is very dangerous (compare money we earn and usual German worker earns, it is ratio 1:5 , so we are not able to buy our land but usual German street cleaner is and because of joining EU there is regulation that PL must allow selling land to foreigners after 2016) ,

so it is battle will Poland be colony or normal state like others, so far we are closer to colony (leftists and post commies sold our banking system for ... 3-4 years profit of banks, not for value of banks, but for 3-4 years of income of banks, and now those banks give profits to west owners and .. they do not pay taxes here - which fulfils definition of colony)

and worsening relations with Russia is also in EU/German (rather Merkel) interest,

cause than Russia doesn't trade with our farmers, but German farmes can sell meat instead of us,

so such tactics is also in favor of others, and it is EU, i wonder what will be Russian reaction on those wire typed politicians

Edited May 17, 2015 by vilas

[sudayev 27]

Merkel has dropped the retirement age to 63 and Tusk had to raise because of that. When rich German retiree will rest and travel - there is a big chance that Polish "mexican" will replace him on the job market. Now, gimme a good seat in Brussels baby.

[vilas 477]

67 is our retirement age here, plus pension is very very small, very hard to get to hospital - which means - people are sentenced to death if they not work - and it is all done by "left" wing ,

while there is no money for cancer treatment - they ... refund sex change operation for "trans gender" , so you will die if you have skin cancer (no money for treatment) but if you are guy who want to have boobs - this can be refunded - reminds me comedy , French movie decade ago - one guy played homosexual to not loose job, cause being gay he was untouchable because of EU,

from 1989 Czechs also moved from communism - they however earn twice like us,

Edited May 17, 2015 by vilas