Blackblood's desert grunts

[Blackblood 0]

*picking up and dusting off @Cero after realizing he deserved better treatment*

I forgot why I actually logged in...

Some questions for anyone who bothers:

1. When you 'createvehicle' a magazine it spawns in a random circle (about 3-4 m from unit). Looks absolutelly ar**. How in the devils briefcase do you remedy that?

It's for when the ammobearer drops a mag (not his ar**)

2. When skimming thru P:UKF's config for ammo classnames I noticed their eventhandler inheritates from ECP's eventhandler. Am I right in guessing that's the way to make it compatible with ECP?

[sim 0]

Quote[/b] ]It's oceans from perfect but i hope you'll like it anyway

I'm sure they will be bloody excellent!

[Cpt. FrostBite 0]

on the SAS topic;

As can be clearly seen on the vid, the SAS is using the C8 carbine. Together with a great SAS-guy using the GPMG in Rambo-position. A true hero!

hmm...someone claimed this was an SBS operative.

The guy seems to share the same tailor as the blokes in the vid.

img]http://images5.theimagehosting.com/sbsORsas.jpg[/img]

Or is it some kind of afghan-camo issued to both the SBS/SAS?  *insert rolling eyes here*  

I lost my number to the Regiment hotline. 'Til then we will never now...

Oh yeah...thanx for kicking @Cero  

I've tried (and failed) to explain why this is taking so long many times before...

Reason 1: Death in the family (is that good enough?)

Reason 2: Death of my old comp along with the old work

Reason 3: Approx 30 minutes of editing time/week due to a very hectic life outside this community (i'm 30,people. Yep, 30).

I would love to say that the long wait is just a measurement of how long I've been tweaking and perfecting this addon. Not true. It's oceans from perfect but i hope you'll like it anyway.

My first and last addon soon to be released into the wild. *sniff* *snibble* *cue theme from MASH*

SBS and SAS are very simular. I too heard that SBS operaters were involved in this fighting. Normally though SBS troops don't go toofar in land. Like Seals and Marines they like to stay near the water (not joking) But of course exceptions are made all the time.

I assume the SBS and SAS use more or less the same weapons. Normally they would use the standard UK weapon, so that not everyone can tell who's SAS and who's not, but since the SA80 sucks (except the latest verson which is a bit better) they now use an other weapon; C8

The British and Dutch Royal Marines both think their weapons suck (SA80 and Diemaco C7). Rumar has it that they will both switch to the HK G36 around 2007. Can't say I'm sad about this

[tankieboy 0]

Wow you know a lot about the SAS and SBS SOP's for a 21 year-old Dutch fella.

Key words in your post were "I assume".

[Messiah 2]

Quote[/b] ]Normally though SBS troops don't go toofar in land. Like Seals and Marines they like to stay near the water   (not joking) But of course exceptions are made all the time.

im sorry frostbite... but thats utter bolocks.

just because you've realised that the B in SBS means boat, doesnt mean that they only operate near the sea... thats like saying the SAS only operate in mid air

the term marines was derived from the fighting men apon a naval vessel, waaaay back during nelsons time. Throughout the years they have evolved, and taken on many roles, but kept their name...

lets take an example of how 'little' marines and the SBS stray inland shall we?

Afghanistan... very much landlocked if i remember correctly - Royal marines were operating there for most of that war.

Sierra Leone... SBS were involved in a number of operations, including one to rescue captured british troops (Operation BARRAS) deep inside the jungles... not much of a sea there

Iraq... Royal Marines operating north into the desert

and many other conflicts have seen them stray away from their 'beloved' water... Faluja is hardly near the sea, and the US marines are pumlling the crap out of that, aren't they?

Quote[/b] ]Normally they would use the standard UK weapon, so that not everyone can tell who's SAS and who's not, but since the SA80 sucks (except the latest verson which is a bit better) they now use an other weapon; C8

again, where do you get your 'facts'?

lets get it straight, from what our advisors have told us, and  have served with and around the SAS and SBS, they use whatever the holy crap they like... simple hey? Yes they use the SA80, yes they use the C7 and C8's... but guess what, they can also use any weapon they can get their hands on - quite handy for a special ops team behind enemy lines - although your statement about blending in does ring true in certain scenarios

Quote[/b] ] but since the SA80 sucks

have you ever fired one? been in combat with one? lets reserve judgements like that for people who know something about the weapon.

Quote[/b] ]The British and Dutch Royal Marines both think their weapons suck (SA80 and Diemaco C7)

again..... where do you get such information?

[CanadianTerror 0]

The CAF use the Diemaco C7. I know guys who use one and they don't say it sucks.  

EDIT: Well just the Elcan vs. iron sights debate

[Stelios 1]

Too react on Messiah's post, you do realize a jungle area contains water, much water? Due to the climate a jungle is bound to be filled with creeks and shit. Offcourse to say that a naval unit wouldnt go far off the water is not true. I think the naval bit stands for their main way of insertion into an area. Like the UK Marines at Um Qasr. About SAS load out, i believe they can use whatever they want, but there are bound to be some favorite weapons among them are used more commonly than the other in specific mission profiles. And the M4/C8 is often spotted whenever the SAS gets caught on camera(which is not often). But with any SF unit it's hard to really know the truth about how they operate and what they use.

[tankieboy 0]

Water in a Jungle! David Bellamy would be proud.

[Acecombat 0]

Not that i am an expert or anything on SAS/SBS or even any army of any sort but i would defend Frostbites statement of SBS operating near or on sea since thats what they SPECIFICALLY SPECIALIZE in , or so thats what i am led to believe in by reading a few books. Ofcourse in a emergency scenario such designations are dropped but the point being that SAS are mainly the one type who are inserted by air/land (mostly) and go in do their stuff and the SBS usually operate at sea or near coasts and areas closer to water.

And i dont see why people are dissing Frostbite about it.

[tankieboy 0]

Removed as could be taken as baiting.

[Messiah 2]

acecombat, ranger et al...

before i send this futher off topic and probally get in trouble  (and frostbite, no offence intended with my earier post, but i was feeling a little tired of things like that) a few things.

SBS may have specifically specialised in marine insertions etc at their foundation, but to say they never stray away from the water... thats a joke right? so when they are needed 100's of miles inland, they turn around and say, 'no, we dont leave the water' ? Give me a break.

jungle contains water... sure it does... but short of a guy in a full wetsuit and rebreather walking through the jungle, i dont see what thats got to do with anything.

as for the SAS mainly inserting by air... again, no... not at all. At their foundation they were invisigned to become an air assualt unit, dropping behind enemy lines against rommel in WW2.This proved to be disaterous and the unit lost almost half its men. On evacuation, the LRRP vehicles located and rescued them, and then the idea struck - if these vehicles can get deep behind enemy lines so easily, why bother with aircraft... hence the very early pinkies were born (willys jeeps at first)...

you must remember gentlemen, just because they are called the Marines, the Special Boat Service and Special Air Service, does not mean thats all they do... those are merely throwbacks to their origins... SAS and SBS undertake a near identical training regime, and specialise int he same operations...

acecombat... if you had read a little more, you would also have realised the Royal Marines specialise in many an operation... Yes they have an amphibious assualt troop, but also mountain troop, artic troop and jungle....

sorry to tread on peoples toes... but i think Ranger put it best:

Quote[/b] ] But with any SF unit it's hard to really know the truth about how they operate and what they use

i'm going from what my advisors tell me... oh, and the history channel on freeview  

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anyways... blackblood... any more teasers after talking about the SAS in two stupidly long posts, i have a hankering to play with some

keep up the excellent work

[kerosene 0]

Does anyonew remember reading that newspaper article after the SBS guys had to leg it after a failed op in Iraq.  Someone in the SAS said the SBS couldnt fight as well as the SAS and were only suited to reconing beaches and a little way in land.

The SA80 was a poor weapon when it was originally designed, it was made almost strictly for a northern european climate and the reliability rates dropped a lot when they did test it in deserts.  Whats wrong with the C7 though? I imagined it'd be much like an M16, possibly adapted for more demanding cold weather conditions.  

I've only ever seen real footage of the SAS overseas once, it was from Afghanistan, they were in afghan style clothes with clearly British accents, I remember seeing a GPMG, i dont remember SA80's, it was a big deal cause there faces arent supposed to be seen in the media.

But the Royal Marines get all over the place definatley.  The government wants to create a "ranger" style group to support the SAS, mostly drawn from the paras I think (where most SAS are recruited.), but I only read a little bit about it.

[Messiah 2]

The government wants to create a "ranger" style group to support the SAS, mostly drawn from the paras I think (where most SAS are recruited.), but I only read a little bit about it.

there already is such a unit... the Pathfinders   in very lamens terms, the special ops of the paras (or thats what they like to believe - hehehe)

Quote[/b] ]I've only ever seen real footage of the SAS overseas once, it was from Afghanistan, they were in afghan style clothes with clearly British accents, I remember seeing a GPMG, i dont remember SA80's, it was a big deal cause there faces arent supposed to be seen in the media.

yep, they were dressing in local style clothing to work alongside the afghani's who were apposed to the taliban. If i remember correctly they used AK74's with Cobra sights, along with the gpmg (why not hey... big ass gun - lol)

[Stelios 1]

Well, in that footage i saw at least one dude carrying a C8/M4. Never saw that AK74 cobra though. It was good footage, that's one thing that's for sure

[Munk 0]

Can we not turn this topic into an 'I know more about the SAS than you' slagging match. Some of us want to be kept updated about this addon, not have the topic locked...

[Cpt. FrostBite 0]

I've been away for a while and I'm getting shot at and beaten up  

*edited*

Most of post removed. It's not worth going against you guys on this. If you are such 'experts' than I'm very happy for you.

*end of edit*

btw;

@Messiah

I'm from the Netherlands alright. But the Netherlands are not next to Taiwan; it's just a short swim away. The RNLMC works VERY closely together with the Royal Marines. Hell, we even have a taskforce together and the Dutch SBS becomes part of the British SBS in time of war.

[Cpt. FrostBite 0]

Quote[/b] ]the term marines was derived from the fighting men apon a naval vessel, waaaay back during nelsons time. Throughout the years they have evolved, and taken on many roles, but kept their name...

The RNLMC (Korps Mariniers) is the second oldest in the world, but we were the first to have soldiers fight on ships (or at least use soldiers for this job that had this as their only job on the ship).

But I read tat the RNLMC is the second oldest military unit which still excists and that the Swiss guards (? don't know the correct english name) is the oldest. Guess this is wrong.

*edited, thanks Orsen*

The primary job of marines is amphibious operations. Note that I say primary, not only. I you want to debate with me about this I wish you luck.

[SWIFT88 0]

Quote[/b] ]the term marines was derived from the fighting men apon a naval vessel, waaaay back during nelsons time. Throughout the years they have evolved, and taken on many roles, but kept their name...

The name was invented by the Dutch (Mariniers). The RNLMC (Korps Mariniers) is the oldest in the world and we were the first to have soldiers fight on ships (or at least use soldiers for this job that had this as their only job on the ship)

The primary job of marines is amphibious operations. Note that I say primary, not only. I you want to debate with me about this I wish you luck.

im sorry lads....... but cut the bull..... i want to hear about Black bloods desert troops.....

[orson 0]

(btw  UKRM formed 28th October 1664 , RNLMC formed 10 December 1665... joined forces in 1704 )

But yeah , let that be that  

[Cpt. FrostBite 0]

For once I agree with you

SO Blackblood, any updates. Feb 7 is comming closer with the speed of 1 day every 24 hours

[CanadianTerror 0]

no it's not...you're wrong!

I had to do it.

[Blackblood 0]

*enters the livingroom*

...as I was saying...did...what the?

*watches friends duking it out*

*decides to go back to bed*

...nevermind. Talk to you guys tomorrow.  

[Stelios 1]

Only 5 days remaining, nice, very nice.

I'm already polishing your congressional medal of gucciness to give on the 7th of february.

[sim 0]

*DROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL*

Looking so damn nice mate

[wipman 1]

Hi, this desert grunts look great by the screenshots; if we succed with our wip_m4a1 pack, and once it be ended, or the teaser with the desert camoed variants... if you wanna include it in future revisions of this great looking units, Blackblood... i think that i speak by all the ppl that made something, big or small for the weapons that i still working on; we'll feel honoured.

P.D: For Cpt. Frostbite... check this out: "Creada la Infantería de Armada por Carlos I en 1537". this means: "created the Marine Infantry (spanish Marine Infantry) by Charles I, in 1537. "Sorry", but WE were the 1St ones, kisses... let's cu >>;-)