Nogovan army?

[AKM 0]

Perhaps for an LMG that'd work. It'd never cut it as a GPMG - so perhaps a FN MAG would.

We're trying to steer away from Kalashnikov firearms here - this is NOT the FIA, we want to avoid it looking like it. So far, I can pull some weapons out of my ass.

FN-FAL

AK-4

Anything with a per unit cost below that of a SIG assault rifle really... any good suggestions?

AK

[CanadianTerror 0]

Just another visual/idea here.

These are the Swedish AK4(infantry) and the M45(crew)

[hellfish6 7]

T-64s were never exported. Only the Soviet Union used them. If the Nogovan Army REALLY needs a more modern tank than the T-55, I'd say go with a Leopard 1A3 or 1A4. Germany and other countries got rid of a lot of them as they transitioned into Leopard 2-based armor units.

However, I picked T-55s because I knew RHS was going to come out with some FIA-specific ones. I also picked T-55s because they are cheap, reliable, and effective for the purposes of a small army like Nogova's. I don't think that the Nogovans would have relied on tanks as anything more than battlefield direct fire support, and not as a main battle tank. A country this small would use tanks to counter small incursions, rebellions, peacekeeping or even just keep the tanks for prestige purposes. I can't honestly believe that Nogova, no matter how wealthy or populous we decide it to be would rely on tanks as a mainstay of their defensive capabilities. This would be the case with any tank that the Nogovans might have short of an M-1A1, Leopard 2 or T-80. I think we're stretching reality enough by giving them tanks in the first place when something like an Scorpion, AML-90 or Saracen armored car would be more practical.

The simple fact is that in an outright invasion, any organized Nogovan military would be wiped out promptly. They would have to rely on their light infantry and unconventional warfare skills to survive and fight the invaders, which is why I made 90% of the Nogovan combat forces light and airborne infantry. They work well in small independent groups, utilizing ambush and patrol in all terrains as their main combat functions. Perfect for fighting an occupation, yet against a smaller internal or regional threat are still a capable combat force.

I've got about a half-dozen operational-level wargames sitting on my hard drive right now. In any one of them, even if I maxed out all their stats, a military like Nogova would realistically expect (even if I gave them two battalions of infantry plus a full battalion of armor and artillery) to be wiped out by a single Soviet airborne or Naval Infantry division. Include the likely air, artillery and naval gunfire support an invasion force of that size is likely to receive, and you'll understand why tanks are not really that important to the defense of Nogova in the face of a determined invader, and why spending money on Leopard 2s or old M-1s would be wasted.

All of this factored into what I made the Nogovan Army to look like. A force that is capable of dealing with local and regional threats and is just as easily capable of dispersing into the back woods of the islands and causing serious headaches for any conquering force.

Also, I picked MT-LBs because, basically, they are the SovBloc equivalent of the M113. I have driven both, and I must say that I prefer the M113, but I imagine the MT-LBs are cheaper. Also, the MT-LBs are in FIA camo schemes (I'm assuming the FIA is the Resistance after the collapse of the Nogovan Army in the face of a Soviet invasion, thus why would they repaint their vehicles or get new uniforms?). We can realistically assume that Nogova has purchased their T-55s and MT-LBs from Finland if you want to get historical about it.

[hellfish6 7]

Actually, I think the Kmarns soldiers look good! Can you make a model with a Nogovan flag patch on the arm?

I have recommended the G3A3 as the main battle rifle of Nogova, partially because it is fairly widespread both in and out of Europe. Isn't the AK-4 basically a G3? I think the FN-MAG would also be an ideal choice for the GPMG, because it's a classic and will probably be in the inventories of many countries for many more years. Even with hundreds of old Soviet-arms laying around Nogova and the islands after the war, I think any wise Army would have gone for the FN-MAGs over used PKs.

Anyone have suggestions for the issue pistol? Any other weapons? IIRC, the BW mod once made some nice G-3s, some with Talon grenade launchers attached. These would be handy, I think.

Also, as for the reserves, I think it would be believeable if they had a mix of old Soviet-era helmets and weapons. Nogova in my mind would probably have to struggle just to equip it's active duty forces with some newer equipment, and that similarly equipping the reserves would be prohibitively expensive.

[CanadianTerror 0]

...figured the AK4's would be cheaper than the HK versions actually. You have to budget for these things.

FN MAG was another one that I was testing. I think it's a good choice as well.

[AKM 0]

I'm pretty sure we're using a SIG-226.

If you want, we can drop the MBT's from the list and utilize BMD-3M vehicles instead. Those are very versatile vehicles. T-64BV tanks would be easy to procure - all 8 of them.

Good work on it though HellFish, sorry I bastardized it so much.

AK

[the_shadow 0]

The AK4 is basically a H&K G3.

and then its Kpist (SMG) M/45 not KSP (MG)

i think it sounds good though, maby they have enev got som KSP-58 from sweden (FN-MAG) and a couple of GRG M/48 (Carl gustav launchers)

have any questions about wich more swedish equipment they might have got their hands on, just ask

[Matthijs 40]

I hope Sander won't get upset, by me releasing images of his work...

My guess is, Nogova would have a well organized militia instead of a regular army. Anyway, army or militia, here's what Sander is working on. Remember it's a work in progress. Don't be surprised if he changes his mind, and the camouflage pattern along with it.

Edit: armpatches are not in the shots, but they are ready as we speak, errr... write... type... whatever.

[sander 14]

Hi,

For the Nogovan army patch:

Regards and best wishes for the new year,

Sander

[Uncle_Sam 0]

looks cool great work keep it up

[EiZei 0]

Are those composite helmets I see?

[hellfish6 7]

I'm pretty sure we're using a SIG-226.

If you want, we can drop the MBT's from the list and utilize BMD-3M vehicles instead. Those are very versatile vehicles. T-64BV tanks would be easy to procure - all 8 of them.

Good work on it though HellFish, sorry I bastardized it so much.

AK

BMDs have, historically, rarely been sold overseas. They're too big to be used by the paratroopers in most countries (many of whom still rely on old AN-2 Colts as their transport planes) and they're too small to be regular IFVs.

Also, the BMD-3M has hardly even been adopted by Russia, let alone sold to anyone else in the world. Even the BMP-3 has only been sold to a handful of countries (UAE, Kuwait, South Korea got some for free, and Cyprus I think). Again, too new and too expensive, IMHO.

[AKM 0]

k - I think what CT and I discussed was avoiding the FIA clone thing - I'll avoid using any "Modern" armour, but we're also going to assume that Nogova and the Malden Island Chain has slightly more than a "Permanant Militia" equipped with leftover gear from a Soviet occupation.

Sander, shrink that patch down just a bit, and it'll be good.

AK

[Ex-RoNiN 0]

I'll avoid using any "Modern" armour, but we're also going to assume that Nogova and the Malden Island Chain has slightly more than a "Permanant Militia" equipped with leftover gear from a Soviet occupation.

Sander, shrink that patch down just a bit, and it'll be good.

AK

I don't think that Nogova plus islands could afford any more than 3-4 companies worth of troops, plus some light armoured support (mainly IFVs, perhaps a platoon or two of MTBs).

I reckon two companies would be on Nogova, one on Everon, one on Malden.

This is assuming that there are no major resources on any of the islands.

[AKM 0]

Yeah - I'm trying to avoid the "Here's a FIA clone army that's been done half a million times before" thing, and go with a slightly more "Underfunded European Army" thing - ORBAT wise and that. We're going to assume they have good diplomatic connections and some good resources to harvest for this kinda thing - and a population base to support it. If nessacary, I'll create some new fictional islands to support this theory of mine.

AK

[@cero 0]

I was thinking about Belize's situation with the naighbour countries and the UK.

Belize used to be a British colony, but Belize was granted independance after agreing to let the UK troops to stay and use Belize for jungle warfare training.

This give Belize a good protection factor against countrys like Guatemala for example, who threaten Belize for years as they recon a part of the country belongs to Guatemala and they want it back.

The presence of the UK forces in Belize gives security to the country.

Could it be like that in the OFP islands?

So the weaponry could be a mix, like in Isrrael, they have the Galil, and they have western and estern gear aswell.

[GoOB 0]

Those new international soldier models are looking swell! And with a bit of texture changing to conform to what Nogova would use (I.E something from Edge's pack)

For IFV's/MBT's I would love the NDF to be manouvering again some sort of Russian/Czech equipment. A PT-76 (or OT-62 TOPAS) for a basic IFV, and a few T72's. Perhaps even some Swedish or NATO gear? Like a couple of "S-Tanks" and one or two Leopard one tanks.

EDIT: For an MG I agree with that the FN-MAG should be used, perhaps in conjunction with the Czech UK-59?

For the ones in doubt of the Czech being able to donate weapons and gearclick me.

[CanadianTerror 0]

I have some re-edited pics of the Kmarn units with Edge's Nogovan Oak camo(looks good with the FIA T55's by RHS and also would fit with those new MIG's in the other thread)

...if it's worth posting. I don't know if these things are already decided or not.

[Bobby - CSLA team 0]

Interesting discussion.

I think that equipment of Nogova's forces before russian invasion was eastern block (closely connected to Czechoslovakia) and it was used against invanders. On top of that, some russian equipment has been captured. maybe some relatively modern eqipment has been shipped to Nogova during and shortly after fights. That is scenario, I think.

Main handweapon:

SA-58 attack rifle - from original stocks

AK-74 captured eqipment

G3 attack rifle from shipment of "international arm aid"

some western hand AA and ATGM form shipment

Concerning armored forces:

MBT should be:

11 x T-55 (one tank company)

11 x T-72M (one elite tank company)

3 x captured russian T-80

APC mainly czechoslovak made:

~16 x OT-64 SKOT (8x8 wheeled)

~16 x OT-62 TOPAS (tracked)

~8 x OT-65 (4x4 wheeled)

~12 x BVP-1, BVP-2

AA:

8 x MTLB 23-2

1-2 captured ZSU-23-4

Air:

8 x MiG-21

6 x SU-25

4 x L-410 planes for transport + paradrop + recco

4 x DC-3 planes - cargo

6 x cessna planes

4 x Mi24

4 x Mi8/17 military (+cca 4 x Mi8 civilian - could be used for military purposes if needed)

Support forces:

mixture V3S, Ural and Tatra trucks

Unit with some towed guns (100mm BS-3) - 4-6 batteries

Gaz-69 - commanders vehicle

Infantry:

2 batalions, 3 companies in each (1 x regular, 2 x reserve) - cammo pattern close to Edge's resistance fighters

BTW. Mi8 in civilian Nogova airlines will be relesed with CSLA mod.

BTW2. Don't forget that all signs and words on buildings etc. are in czech language....

[AKM 0]

See, now that looks and sounds pretty good if you ask me. I'd like to avoid the whole "Here's an FIA army clone" because that's be done to death and there is no reason to do it again. If CT'd be so kind as to throw in another screen of the troopers in Nogovan Oak, it'd look really nice.

AK

[lee_h._oswald 0]

What side will Nogovian Army be on?

I hope "west".

I like the idea of having nogova troops supported/equipped by "west", cause resistance is using 99% eastern stuff.

Sounds like good stuff for a campaign to me.

East supported resistance fighters to bring down Nogovian government.(Mother Russia WANTS this island to base some bombers on it)

The western supported/equipped Army to hunt down the "rebel scum".

Should be good stuff for some non high-tech-weapon battles.

MfG Lee

[Lt_Phoenix 0]

Damn you Lee, you beat me by a just over an hour with that post.

I agree with the idea of siding the NDF on the side of the west, since this offers a mumber of civil war and peacekeeping type missions and scenarios.

That way it's possible to use already existing resistance + Ivan's MAL troops (Malden Army of Liberation, backed by the commies and placed on the side of the east).

As for rebel type equipment, there's loads floatin' about over at ofp.info and other sites. My favourites are Sebastian Muller's UL trike, Catshark and his buggies (especially that new MARV).

[GoOB 0]

Hrm, a question:

Will there be separate models for the regulars and the reservists? If so may I suggest something? If I may here is the suggestion

How about using the soldier models from SEB NAM Pack 2 as reservists? The M1 helmet on those is awesome. Just add a ruck, a bedroll a VZ.58 and slap some Malden highland textures on them

Also, what are the unit placements going to be like? Will there be bases on Nogova, Malden and Everon or will it be limited to Nogova only? Perhaps having something like the "Malden guardsmen" or somesuch wich would be reservists who go out in the woods once a month to get drunk and shoot at paper targets

EDIT: And grouping these units with the west side would be very good. Since what is the likelyhood of the Nogovan goverment forming up with the Russians after they invaded them?

[AKM 0]

Now GoOB, to answer part of your question.

We're assuming that the NDF has groups on all of the Malden Islands Chain. This is why we're looking at the Malden Defense Battalion, vice-versae with Everon and Nogova

AK

[CanadianTerror 0]

Another quick edit with Nogovan Oak. I also "borrowed" a sample pic from a previous screenshot in this thread for the beret and armpatch.

Again, this pic is  just my own editing for some visual ideas.

EDIT: the beret insignia doesnt show up but it matches the armpatch.