Schwarzenegger to run for governor

[theavonlady 2]

While I don't particularly care for Arney, I have no reason to assume that he'll be worse than most other politicians out there.

Was Reagan bad for CA? He wasn't bad for the US presidency.

I think it's obvious that what we all need are more thinkers and idealists in government. Politician has become a 100% ugly word.

How much of a "thinker" is Arney? Well, that's possibly the problem.

I say wait and see. You don't have a choice anyway, do you?

[denoir 0]

How much of a "thinker" is Arney? Well, that's possibly the problem.

Well, he does have degree in business and economics. On the other hand, when you look at RalphWiggum, you realize that it doesn't mean all that much

[theavonlady 2]

How much of a "thinker" is Arney? Well, that's possibly the problem.

Well, he does have degree in business and economics.

And comments by people who've worked with him businesswise say he does an excellent job of managing projects.

And there is something to be said about no one having Arnie in their pocket. Of course, this may change, if he loses sites of his intended goals, which many a half-sincere pol have done in their careers.

Too early to judge but the idea of his being elected is not far-fetched or ridiculous in itself.

[denoir 0]

No, I'm not saying his unfit - I don't know. And the Californians don't know. He has been very careful to avoid saying anything political. Nobody really knows what politics he has planned (if any).

And that's the absurd part about this election. He won just on his celebrity status , not on any political merits.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

And that's the absurd part about this election. He won just on his celebrity status , not on any political merits.

Reminds me of a bit on the Daily Show a while back- and I paraphrase:

"But Rob, don't you think that it's a little odd to elect a person with no political experience to fix problems as serious as California is facing?"

"Look at it this way, John. Let's say that the plumbing in your house fails. So, what do you do? You call a plumber, right? Wrong! Who installed those pipes, John? Plumbers. No, what you need instead is someone new, someone fresh, someone who's going to shake things up a bit."

"Someone who knows nothing about plumbing."

"Exactly, John."

[Supah 0]

You should see in Sweden which has an uneven distribution of precincts (size-wise). So there are many small precincts up north where there are only mosquitoes and communists/hard-core socialists. Since they're small, their counting is finished first, so you always see like 95% for the most left option of whatever the vote is about. Later it evens out as the larger, more southern mosquito-free precincts send in their counts.

Heh Communisme as a Mosquito spread virus! Sorta like Malaria but stranger I am still puzzled as to why they have the recall election thing anyway. This way when ever the world wide economy has a hick up or people are talked in to believing things are bad the governor gets recalled. This in my eyes only leads to political unrest. Having another governor who firstly overturns all the decisions of his predecesor sounds very much like pakistan pre musharraf (or how ever thats spelled). People are to easily manipulated for that whole recall deal to work (we had the same here with that fortuyn loon). I say wait till the politicians term is finished and his policy have had a chance to show effect and THEN vote wether to keep him or send him on his marry way with an over sized severance package

[Blake 0]

Well anyway, congrats to Arnold ;) Hopefully he does a good job at the office You really can't claim he's incompetent untill he has been in the office for some time...

[-TU--33ker 0]

Congratulations Arnie!

Arnie wins

[bn880 5]

Did anyone mention how silly this is? Oh I see, yep.

Speaking of elections, I seem to have a problem with our elections here in Ontario (Canadian province eh!) and the rest of Canada really. We have 103 ridings here in the province which are supposed to divide the populaiton into equal sized parts. However they do not actually divide the populaiton into equal numbers, some ridings had around 700 voters and others over 30,000. This riding elects a representative for your region. That representative gets a seat in the house of commons and basically decides which party runs the province and later the counry as seats get added up.

Problem is the popular vote stops right at the riding. While I think it should go all the way up to a total for the entire country, and then leadership should be decided from this. it does create problems, for example the NDP party has gained about what 5%? popular vote here in Ontario, but because of the riding configuration they lost about 25-30% of their seats and could even be removed from official party status. So how is it that more Canadians now support that form of government and it is now less powerful than before? That's not even a democracy. And so from the paragraph above it seems your vote does count much more in one riding than another, sometimes by a factor of 30.

Unless i have this whole election business confused, that's how it goes.

[Winters 1]

I fear all Arnie has done is set himself up to be recalled in a year or two when things are still bad.

But Congrats to him anyway, i hope he proves me wrong.

[Guest]

Chances of a democrat funded recall in 12 months time? About 100% I'd say.

[ralphwiggum 6]

How much of a "thinker" is Arney? Well, that's possibly the problem.

Well, he does have degree in business and economics. On the other hand, when you look at RalphWiggum, you realize that it doesn't mean all that much  

nor is masters in EE

And comments by people who've worked with him businesswise say he does an excellent job of managing projects.

And there is something to be said about no one having Arnie in their pocket. Of course, this may change, if he loses sites of his intended goals, which many a half-sincere pol have done in their careers.

the state gov't or anyother gov't organization is not as same as a business. you have to make compromises to reach some goals in both areas, but in business, you can opt out if you can't maximize your profit, while in gov't you can't just say, "we won't worry about it"

furthermore, even arnold was not clear from money problem. he said he'll recieve only individual donations, but actually some of those who did are firms that might have interest in gov't contracts too.

not to mention by scapegoating Native American gambling, he practically killed chance for renegotiation.

Nobody really knows what politics he has planned (if any).

that's the problem. he has rhetorics and it worked. most people do not know that "300%" auto registration fee increase was bound to happen due to a clause in the law that it will kick in if the state is in crisis, and it did. all it did was send the fee level back to 5 years ago. and i'm pretty sure people were able to register their car back then with such "high" fee.

if arnold gets his wish, then they are expecting a nearly 1 billinon in revenue loss.

This way when ever the world wide economy has a hick up or people are talked in to believing things are bad the governor gets recalled. This in my eyes only leads to political unrest

in CA, the petition signature needed was 0.5% of population IIRC. that was bout 900,000 signatures, which is not hard to get, after spending millions of dollars.

I fear all Arnie has done is set himself up to be recalled in a year or two when things are still bad.

yup. if he doesn't get things back on track in 3 years, he might be terminated again.(oh boy, another farce coming up)

[-TU--33ker 0]

Now he's got to "put his money where his mouth is"... or whatever you Americans use to say.

[Guest]

Was Reagan bad for CA? He wasn't bad for the US presidency.

This is a joke, right? If it isn't......boy, I'm not even going to start with how wrong it is!

[drewb99 0]

@ Oct. 08 2003,11:01)]

And that's the absurd part about this election. He won just on his celebrity status , not on any political merits.

Reminds me of a bit on the Daily Show a while back- and I paraphrase:

"But Rob, don't you think that it's a little odd to elect a person with no political experience to fix problems as serious as California is facing?"

"Look at it this way, John. Let's say that the plumbing in your house fails. So, what do you do? You call a plumber, right? Wrong! Who installed those pipes, John? Plumbers. No, what you need instead is someone new, someone fresh, someone who's going to shake things up a bit."

"Someone who knows nothing about plumbing."

"Exactly, John."

The Daily Show had a live special on the elections, sure beats watching CNN

[ralphwiggum 6]

yesterday, David Letterman had this

Quote[/b] ]Top Ten Possible California Newspaper Headlines For Tomorrow

10. "135-Way Tie Throws State Into Confusion"

9. "Gray Davis Fails To Convince Self To Vote For Self"

8. "Governor Gary Coleman Names Lieutenant Governor Urkel"

7. "Recall Election Just Elaborate 'Punk'd' Prank"

6. "Dejected Comedian Gallagher Takes Sledgehammer To Own Head"

5. "Screw The Recall, How Did The Cubs And The Red Sox Get In The Playoffs?"

4. "Millions of Californians Move To Nevada"

3. "Confused Al Gore Demands Recount"

2. "Bush Reminds Nation 'You Can't Recall a President'"

1. "Maria To Arnold: 'Why Don't You Ever Grope Me?'"

[toadlife 3]

People are such lemmings. In the exit polls people gave Tom McClintock the highest rating of any of the candidates, yet thse same people still voted for arnold because they though he had the best chance of winning.

Whatever happened to voting for the candidate for whom you though would be best for the job?

[ralphwiggum 6]

a good news out of this circus.

Mary Cook, the porn star is going to make a movies including some footage from her campaign. no one is set for role of Arnie, but Ron Jeremy is going to play <s>Bustafulmante</s> Bustamante.  

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Quote[/b] ]Whatever happened to voting for the candidate for whom you though would be best for the job?

maybe they thought McClintock has highest integrity, but the job was sufficient for Arnie?

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Have you actually heard McClintock's views on your standard California hot-button issues like immigration and abortion? He's nearly unelectable, at least by Californian standards.

[toadlife 3]

But 53% of the voters Found him to be "the most favorable candidate". Lemmings I tell you! Lemmings!

BTW: Immigration and abortion are federal, not state issues. A governor's opinion on these issues don't mean much of anything.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

But 53% of the voters Found him to be "the most favorable candidate". Lemmings I tell you! Lemmings!

BTW: Immigration and abortion are federal, not state issues. A governor's opinion on these issues don't mean much of anything.

Ha, that's what you think. Legislation created on the state level can and has had profound effects on both issues. Besides, orgies and groping women aren't generally considered governmental issues at all, and yet that's all I heard about from California for about 2 weeks.

[Supah 0]

Quote[/b] ] Besides, orgies and groping women aren't generally considered governmental issues at all

Looking at politicians behaviour you would think they were

[toadlife 3]

Quote[/b] ]Ha, that's what you think. Legislation created on the state level can and has had profound effects on both issues.

You ,mean like prompting someone to challenge the legislation and having it whacked by the supreme court.

Quote[/b] ]Besides, orgies and groping women aren't generally considered governmental issues at all, and yet that's all I heard about from California for about 2 weeks.

Thats what you heard from the press - the same institutions that kept reporting the bush/drunk driving/cocain stories in 2000.

I have a feeling these women who've been reported the 'groping' left out the part where they asked arnold to grope them.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

Quote[/b] ]Ha, that's what you think. Legislation created on the state level can and has had profound effects on both issues.

You ,mean like prompting someone to challenge the legislation and having it whacked by the supreme court.

Depends on whose Supreme Court- I see a future in which decisions like Roe v. Wade get overturned and reinstated every other presidential term, if we stay on our current path.

But yes, you're correct- but that isn't the point ( ). You don't elect a Nazi as your governor just because you know he doesn't have the authority to set up concentration camps.

[toadlife 3]

@ Oct. 09 2003,16:07)]You don't elect a Nazi as your governor just because you know he doesn't have the authority to set up concentration camps.

true. There is also an effect as far as which presidential candidate the governor would endorse.

Though I think getting an abortion is wrong, I certainly hope Roe vs Wade will never been overturned, because if it is there will be many more deaths as a result.