USSoldier11B 0 Posted June 9, 2003 First off, there is no way I'm lending any of my own opinions to this topic. I think, like religion and abortion, it's a no no topic for debate. I merely wanted to state my disbelief, as in I never thought I would live to see the open integration of homosexuality into established church sects. By far with the exception of a limited few, the most right-winged bastions of American society. First Openly Gay Bishop Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest Posted June 9, 2003 I'm more surprised that it hasn't happened earlier. We've had homosexual priests in Sweden for years. I don't see how who a person shags in their spare time has anything to do with their faith. It's just as irrelevant as skin color. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
killagee 0 Posted June 9, 2003 In New Zealand we have a Female Prime Minister, Transvestite Mayor and a Rastafarian MP! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GoOB 0 Posted June 9, 2003 I dont really care who is the bishop and or priest. Aslong as it's not one of those pedofilian ones we see in the U.S. I never go to church unless it's for a wedding or a burial or something along the "traditional" lines. I dont mind church-goers or priests or anything i just dislike their weird view on todays scociety. I mean that Al Menconi guy or whatever his name is just makes me wonder if the catholic church requires that you remove your brain before you enter the community. A priest is supposed to be wise and kind, not getting on power trips and declaring that being gay is wrong and that those who are deserve no place in the church. On a side note: I am proud over Sweden and our fairly equal scociety, I haven't heard of gay priests any were else. And our arch bishop (or whatever he is) But his surname is Papphammar, I am very proud over him. He has the kind of modern view on christianity/religion overall that I consider most sane. Love to you Mr.Papphammar! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cam0flage 0 Posted June 9, 2003 In New Zealand we have a Female Prime Minister, Transvestite Mayor and a Rastafarian MP! What's so special about having a female PM? (Hey, I'm not talking about private messages now, h0-h0-h0). Here in Finland both our president and prime minister are females. Veeery shocking, isn't it? :P Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-TU--33ker 0 Posted June 9, 2003 It would be ok for me. as long as he's doing his job right, it doesn't matter to me. Berlin's Mayor Klaus Wowereit is also Gay. A famous Quote from him: Quote[/b] ]Ich bin schwul und das ist auch gut so!I'm gay and that's fine! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CosmicCastaway 0 Posted June 9, 2003 What's so special about having a female PM? (Hey, I'm not talking about private messages now, h0-h0-h0). Here in Finland both our president and prime minister are females. Veeery shocking, isn't it? :P Good god! They'll be driving cars and voting soon if we're not careful! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-TU--33ker 0 Posted June 9, 2003 What's so special about having a female PM? (Hey, I'm not talking about private messages now, h0-h0-h0). Here in Finland both our president and prime minister are females. Veeery shocking, isn't it? :P Good god! They'll be driving cars and voting soon if we're not careful! Â That's never gonna happen if we keep the chain just long enought to move around in the kitchen! $33ker @ June 09 2003,18:14)]ROFL I feel something like this or this coming up from avon. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bn880 5 Posted June 9, 2003 Well it's surprizing but very good IMO. What does your gender or sexual intrest (if any ;) ) have to do with religious beliefs. Times have changed, I think some of us understand human biology/anatomy enough to reason this out as a difference not perversion. I was thinking, when is the Pope going to start handing out holy condoms. I mean, he would save the most lives or do the most good in some places by doing that, rather than always asking for peace while no nation listens. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tovarish 0 Posted June 9, 2003 Now there's only one thing left to do Cardinal Glick: Thank you, thank you. Now we all know how the majority and the media in this country view the Catholic church. They think of us as a passe archaic institution. People find the bible obtuse, even hokie. Now in an effort to disprove all that, the church has appointed this year as a time of renewal both of faith and of style. For example, the crucifix, while it has been a time honored symbol of our faith, holy mother church has decided to retire this highly recognizable yet holy depressing image of our lord crucified. Christ didn't come to Earth to give us the willies, he came to help us out. He was a booster, and it's with that take in our lord in mind that we come up with a new more inspiring sigil. So, it's with great pleasure that I present you with, the first of many revamps, the Catholicism Wow campaign will unveil over the next year. I give you the Buddy Christ. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
theavonlady 2 Posted June 9, 2003 $33ker @ June 09 2003,18:00)]That's never gonna happen if we keep the chain just long enought to move around in the kitchen! Just don't get too close. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CosmicCastaway 0 Posted June 9, 2003 $33ker @ June 09 2003,18:00)]That's never gonna happen if we keep the chain just long enought to move around in the kitchen! Just don't get too close. No wearing shoes in my kitchen. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
-TU--33ker 0 Posted June 9, 2003 $33ker @ June 09 2003,18:00)]That's never gonna happen if we keep the chain just long enought to move around in the kitchen! Just don't get too close. ROFL touché Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Milkman 1 Posted June 9, 2003 Now there's only one thing left to do Cardinal Glick: Thank you, thank you. Now we all know how the majority and the media in this country view the Catholic church. They think of us as a passe archaic institution. People find the bible obtuse, even hokie. Now in an effort to disprove all that, the church has appointed this year as a time of renewal both of faith and of style. For example, the crucifix, while it has been a time honored symbol of our faith, holy mother church has decided to retire this highly recognizable yet holy depressing image of our lord crucified. Christ didn't come to Earth to give us the willies, he came to help us out. He was a booster, and it's with that take in our lord in mind that we come up with a new more inspiring sigil. So, it's with great pleasure that I present you with, the first of many revamps, the Catholicism Wow campaign will unveil over the next year. I give you the Buddy Christ. Who loves yah?! *wink* What else do they plan to intorduce other than buddy christ? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tex -USMC- 0 Posted June 9, 2003 More power to 'em, I guess. I have no opinion about homosexuals in general- they're just people like you and me. I do get a bit uncomfortable about all the gay-pride stuff, but I'd be equally uncomfortable with straight pride marches. Whatever goes on in your bed room should stay in your bedroom- or the backseat of your car- or the kitchen table- or the occasional elevator... Anyhow, I guess the point is that I want to be able to judge people on their character and not their sexual preference. Obviously this bishop has a lot of character, or he would not have been elected. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IsthatyouJohnWayne 0 Posted June 9, 2003 Not being religious (at least in an organised Christian way) I cant say the idea of a gay Bishop even slightly annoys me but it seems rather strange. To give a hopefully non controversial comparison its like Charleton Heston being appointed as a leading anti-gun activist. Or W. Bush appointed as the leader of Green Peace I dont mean to offend Christians or gays (or gay christians) but isnt homosexuality specifically and repeatedly prohibited by the bible and described as a very sinful lifestyle? I dont think it is personally BTW but the Pope and other church leaders surely do. How can that be reconciled? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Milkman 1 Posted June 9, 2003 Is he a Catholic priest? Because I am sure it is impossible to become a Catholic priest if you are gay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ralphwiggum 6 Posted June 9, 2003 It doesn't matter whether they are straight or not, as long as they can shoot rifles straight. (a famous politician, whose name I can't type out correctly) i really don't care whether the bishop is gay or not. as long as he/she can do his job correctly, i don't see a problem. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
IsthatyouJohnWayne 0 Posted June 9, 2003 I actually think its a good thing if religions become more tolerant but i still cant really see how homosexuality and strong christian views can be reconciled in a persons lifestyle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Ex-RoNiN 0 Posted June 9, 2003 Is he a Catholic priest? Because I am sure it is impossible to become a Catholic priest if you are gay. No, it says he's a priest of some random Protestant sect. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
FSPilot 0 Posted June 9, 2003 If you ask me, homosexuality has no place in the church. But not everyone believes like I do, so if you go to a church that accepts gay people, fine. But the Bible I read says to not be gay, and to not go to church with gay people, so I won't do it. I don't believe it's right, but you don't have to believe what I do. And don't tell me that you're "born with homosexuality". You're not born with homosexuality any more than a pedophile is born with a lust for children. (NO I'm not saying gays are child molesters) So if people start to accept that people are born with whatever sexual perversion they have, they should stop prosecuting child molesters. They can't help it, they were born with it. Right? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Harnu 0 Posted June 9, 2003 If you ask me, homosexuality has no place in the church. Â But not everyone believes like I do, so if you go to a church that accepts gay people, fine. Â But the Bible I read says to not be gay, and to not go to church with gay people, so I won't do it. Â I don't believe it's right, but you don't have to believe what I do.And don't tell me that you're "born with homosexuality". Â You're not born with homosexuality any more than a pedophile is born with a lust for children. (NO I'm not saying gays are child molesters) So if people start to accept that people are born with whatever sexual perversion they have, they should stop prosecuting child molesters. Â They can't help it, they were born with it. Â Right? Here here! Although I don't have any hardcore religious belief, I'm still against people being gay. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Assault (CAN) 1 Posted June 9, 2003 Quote[/b] ]What does your gender or sexual intrest (if any ;) ) have to do with religious beliefs. LOL, ever read the bible? Â What a private institution, like the church in quesion, does with it's members is of no interest to me. If you start up a club, you can admit whomever you want, or appoint anyone you feel is capable to leadership positions within sed club. Let me just say this: If you have absolute faith in a religion, then you follow it to the letter and agree with everything it says. So if I was a true Catholic, I'd follow the bible to the letter, ie: homosexuality is wrong, having a personal slave is O.K., never eat meat on a Friday, pre-marital sex is wrong, etc, etc, etc. You just don't pick and choose what you want to beleive and what you want to ignore. At least that's how I see it, and that's why I don't claim to be a member of any particular faith, be it Catholic, Orthodox, Anglican, Christian in general, Muslim, Jew, or whatever. So is the church really being Christian in admitting gays to the church? Tyler Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
