Smith & wesson .50-caliber magnum

[Jinef 2]

stopping a charging bear eh? I would prefer my crew chief's 7.62mm minigun that he sleeps with anyday.

[Assault (CAN) 1]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">stopping a charging bear eh? I would prefer my crew chief's 7.62mm minigun that he sleeps with anyday.

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Yeah, but a mini-gun isn't hand held.

[Tex -USMC- 0]

0--></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Feb. 16 2003,080)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah, but a mini-gun isn't hand held.  <span id='postcolor'>

Noone told Hollywood:

[USMC Sniper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tex [uSMC] @ Feb. 16 2003,08:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Assault (CAN) @ Feb. 16 2003,08)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah, but a mini-gun isn't hand held.  <!--emo&<span id='postcolor'>

Noone told Hollywood:

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Well if Arnold and Jesse Ventura can hold a real M134 loaded with ammo, why can't we?

[eh remraf 0]

That thing was modified though. It didn't weight as much as the normal thing.

[blackdog~ 0]

http://www.fortress-ofp.com.

I remember them having a handheld minigun converted from CS a while back

[Milkman 1]

Whats the Size comparison of a Desert Eagle's .50 AE round to this new S&W round??

[Frizbee 0]

I'd still prefer a Desert Eagle.

[shadow 6]

I am never going to buy a DE.

Don't get me wrong. I think it's the sweetest design of all handguns, but it belong in movies and games due to the fact it really is a problem child. Jams and misfeeds alot due to the gun itself can't take the preassure the round create inside the chamber

I'd stick with the Socom (which I'm getting in about 2 weeks) over any magnum,AE or revolvers in general

I once tried a .38 , a .357 and a .44 (can't remember the revolver-brands) and I must say I did'nt like the recoil at all. Even the .38 was a bit "sharp" for my liking. I usually shoot my 92FS which is pretty much the same amount of recoil as the .38 revolver but the recoil behaves in a completely different manner. More soft due to the recoil-spring I guess, as there are no moving/dampening parts in a revolver.

I tried the Socom a week ago, and to my surprise the recoil was alot weaker than in my 9'er, and it moved more towards me than upwards; easier to controll follow-up shots.

[ralphwiggum 6]

some of the recoil energy gets transferred to energy that moves slide back in semi auto, while revolvers recoil energy is completely a recoil energy. so revolver will have more of vertical recoil than semis.

[Mister Frag 0]

Shadow, the full-size USPs (but not the Compact models) have dual recoil springs with different, progressive spring rates. That's the secret behind the mild felt recoil.

[FSPilot 0]

I looked at that site just to see the trenches. Apparently they're just a built up part of land with a small path going through them. Maybe I'm doing it wrong though.

[shadow 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Feb. 25 2003,19:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Shadow, the full-size USPs (but not the Compact models) have dual recoil springs with different, progressive spring rates. That's the secret behind the mild felt recoil.<span id='postcolor'>

That might be, but the Socom cannot be compared to the USP-series.

If you took an USP and improved it without having to worry about costs, then you end up with a Mk23

On your point; the Socom has one recoil spring. However, there are different tensioned springs available which you use according to how heavy loads you want to put through it.

One thing I know for certain is that the barrel lock and recoil-reduction mechanism is something borrowed from Browning and is featured on the Mk23 only (not the USPs). I'm not saying the USPs are bad, it's just that the Mk23 is better (you get what you pay for). Think of the USP-tactical as a poorman's Socom

The USP-match might be equal in or surpass the Socom in accuracy, but not in the other factors like reliability, maintenance etc etc...

There are 4 downsides about the Socom I can think of;

1)The size (a little bigger than a Desert Eagle!!!

2)Size of grip (You need Arnold's hands or bigger)

3)Unable to change grip-plates as there are no plates

4)Expensive

[Mister Frag 0]

Shadow, I know that you can't compare the Mk23 to a regular USP as a whole, but both the full size USPs and the Mk23 use the dual-spring recoil reduction system I was talking about.

Check out page 32 of the Mk23 Operator's Manual, it has a picture of the spring assembly:

http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/manuals/mark23.pdf

[shadow 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Feb. 25 2003,20:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Shadow, I know that you can't compare the Mk23 to a regular USP as a whole, but both the full size USPs and the Mk23 use the dual-spring recoil reduction system I was talking about.

Check out page 32 of the Mk23 Operator's Manual, it has a picture of the spring assembly:

http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/manuals/mark23.pdf<span id='postcolor'>

What the...?

Looks like they have pretty much the same recoil-reduction system..... I've been ripped off....

naah only kidding

thanks for correcting me

I'm still getting me Mark though

[Mister Frag 0]

Heck, I'd like to get a Mk23 myself, but unfortunately they aren't legal here, due to the threaded barrel. And of course installing a non-threaded barrel still doesn't make it legal in the eyes of the law.

Enjoy your new toy!

[shadow 6]

So you live in the US I pressume. I heard that buying a non-threaded shorter barrel makes it legal over there. A barrel that don't stick outside the slide (looks less threatening that way too).

Strange that law about the threaded barrel. You can buy an extended barrel for practically any handgun anywhere in the world (fully legal), then its just a matter of some little machinery-work and you got yourself a nice threaded barrel

Over here the governments, or politicians to be precise, is happy when I buy a silencer. They think that that way I make less noise around me LOL

[ralphwiggum 6]

Mister Frag and I live in California and we have certain restrictions. after all this is 6th largest economy in the world.

back on topic, the more i think about it, the less the S&W will be famous. not only you have to buy ammos from only one source, if you have such a big pistol, you will be better off getting a rifle.

[FSPilot 0]

And just out of curiosity, what exactly does a silencer sound like? I heard its nothing like in the movies, which doesn't surprise me.

[shadow 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Feb. 25 2003,22:49)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">And just out of curiosity, what exactly does a silencer sound like?  I heard its nothing like in the movies, which doesn't surprise me.<span id='postcolor'>

A Ruger .22 (or a Mk23 .45ACP for that matter) sounds just like a air-pistol. The loudest noise you'll hear is the target you're hitting. Rocks, steel etc make for a very loud noise compared to dirt, grass, trees etc.

I only know how a .22lr sounds like with a silencer (a Mk23 is identical if even quieter than a .22).

phufff................ *plink

On a .22 you can even put your thumb on the back-end of the slide to keep it from cycling (then there's even less sound). NB!!! Don't try that with any higher calibers or your thumb will brake!!!

[madmedic 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Feb. 25 2003,21:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Mister Frag @ Feb. 25 2003,20:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Shadow, I know that you can't compare the Mk23 to a regular USP as a whole, but both the full size USPs and the Mk23 use the dual-spring recoil reduction system I was talking about.

Check out page 32 of the Mk23 Operator's Manual, it has a picture of the spring assembly:

http://www.parkcitiestactical.com/manuals/mark23.pdf<span id='postcolor'>

What the...?

Looks like they have pretty much the same recoil-reduction system..... I've been ripped off....

naah only kidding

thanks for correcting me

I'm still getting me Mark though <span id='postcolor'>

They are essentially the same gun.

The USP is the base model.

The higher level models have improvements like "O-ring barrels" (which can be installed in a standard USP), different sight options, the obvious threaded barrel, ect. ect.

(BTW, MisterFrag...Get Out Of CA while you can LOL...threaded barrels, and silencers are legal here in Florida)    albeit...so are machineguns. of course, the Class III regulations do apply to silencers, and machineguns...but not threaded barrels on pistols

Just to add...I own a full size USP 45, with fixed combat sights, and factory stock barrel that I can easily shoot 2.5 to 3 inch, ten round groups at 25 yards all day long.

I have used it in NRA match competition...and won.

The SOCOM, and the MK23 are extremely nice (I might buy a SOCOM in the future just for another Class III addition

But...they are pretty pricey for a handgun.

[madmedic 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Feb. 25 2003,22:35)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So you live in the US I pressume. I heard that buying a non-threaded shorter barrel makes it legal over there.<span id='postcolor'>

Threaded barrels on pistols are only illegal in certain states

(CA being one of them)

I can own a SOCOM, with a silencer in Florida if I want one...(and feel like shelling out that kind of money)

[Badgerboy 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">albeit...so are machineguns.<span id='postcolor'>

For the love of god! Home defense gone mad! The police went mad with me when I caught a guy breaking into my car with my Katana. (Fucker was high on something, wasn't taking any chances, even though it wasn't sharp)

You for example could tear the bugger in half!

The mind boggles

[shadow 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (madmedic @ Feb. 27 2003,02:59)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The SOCOM, and the MK23 are extremely nice (I might buy a SOCOM in the future just for another Class III addition

But...they are pretty pricey for a handgun.<span id='postcolor'>

uhm "SOCOM" is the american military name for the Mk23 which is the civilian designation

What's Class III?

Yes, it is expensive, but alot cheaper over here. I'm paying 13.500,- incl tax NOK ~ 1500$

And how many yards are in a meter?

2.5-3" seems kinda a big group to me.

Personal record with my 92FS on a 25 meter range is 44.

Madmedic: alot of the features from the Mk23 can be bought for a standard USP, but that kinda takes away the point of buying a USP. You would end paying more for a upgraded USP than a factory Socom. Anyway, for me I think the Socom is the right choice. Threaded barrel (same as Tac), high accuracy (allmost the same as the Match/Expert), unbeatable durability, and it looks meaner (IMO)

I will buy adjustable sights for it , but I'm never going to buy fiber-front-sights. It would convert the Mk23 into a sissy-gun

[USMC Sniper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Shadow @ Feb. 27 2003,09:23)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">What's Class III?<span id='postcolor'>

This means theres extra background checks and stuff on you, since Class III weapons are: silenced guns, machine guns, assault rifles, automatic stuff, etc. I think .50 cals also count as Class III.