What is your AI settings?

[Wiki 1558]

What is your AI settings?

 

Can't figure out how to have a balance game:

I'm facing all-knowing terminators and on the other hand, I always have a dumb medic...

 

For example, mission 7 in Apex:

Beginning on a high ground, at night, with suppressors.

the enemy is Syndikat guys:

they just know where I am located whereas I have suppressor / no muzzleflash and they have no NVG.

 

this all mighty AI is really game breaking.

 

What are your settings to have a balanced experience?

[Grumpy Old Man 3546]

Had 4-5 presets for AI, ranging from untrained over rookie/guerilla to elite, while not being too accurate and give nice prolonged firefights that could drag on and lead to pretty tense situations.

Since the "AI refactoring" back in august 2017 I couldn't really reach those values even a conversion table from old to new was provided, maybe there was more involved since the difficulty AI sliders are also somewhat broken.

These were the (no longer working) values I was using, maybe you can go from there:
 

Spoiler

if ("FRENCH" in _this) exitwith {
_unit setskill 0.15;
_unit setUnitAbility 0.15;
_unit setskill ["aimingAccuracy", random [0.06,0.08,0.1]];
_unit setskill ["aimingShake", random [0.6,0.8,1]];
_unit setskill ["aimingSpeed", random [0.3,0.5,0.7]];
_unit setskill ["spotDistance", random [0.5,0.7,0.9]];
_unit setskill ["spotTime",random [0.6,0.8,1]];
_unit setskill ["commanding",random [0.8,1,1.2]];
_unit setskill ["courage",random [0.4,0.6,0.8]];
_unit setskill ["general", random [0.4,0.6,0.8]];
_unit setskill ["reloadSpeed",random [0.01,0.1,0.3]];
_unit setUnitRecoilCoefficient random [4,5,6];
true
};

if ("ROOKIE" in _this) exitwith {
_unit setskill 0.3;
_unit setUnitAbility 0.3;
_unit setskill ["aimingAccuracy", random [0.11,0.15,0.2]];
_unit setskill ["aimingShake", random [0.6,0.8,1]];
_unit setskill ["aimingSpeed", random [0.5,0.7,0.9]];
_unit setskill ["spotDistance", random [0.3,0.5,0.7]];
_unit setskill ["spotTime", random [0.5,0.7,0.9]];
_unit setskill ["commanding", random [0.8,1,1.2]];
_unit setskill ["courage", random [0.4,0.6,0.8]];
_unit setskill ["general", random [0.1,0.3,0.5]];
_unit setskill ["reloadSpeed", random [0.01,0.1,0.3]];
_unit setUnitRecoilCoefficient random [2,3,4];
true
};
if ("GUERILLA" in _this) exitwith {
_unit setskill 0.3;
_unit setUnitAbility 0.3;
_unit setskill ["aimingAccuracy", random [0.1,0.2,0.3]];
_unit setskill ["aimingShake", random [0.6,0.8,1]];
_unit setskill ["aimingSpeed", random [0.5,0.7,0.9]];
_unit setskill ["spotDistance", random [0.3,0.5,0.7]];
_unit setskill ["spotTime", random [0.5,0.7,0.9]];
_unit setskill ["commanding", random [0.8,1,1.2]];
_unit setskill ["courage", random [0.4,0.6,0.8]];
_unit setskill ["general", random [0.1,0.3,0.5]];
_unit setskill ["reloadSpeed", random [0.01,0.1,0.3]];
_unit setUnitRecoilCoefficient random [2,3,4];
true
};

if ("TRAINED" in _this) exitwith {
_unit setskill 0.3;
_unit setUnitAbility 0.6;
_unit setskill ["aimingAccuracy", random [0.2,0.35,0.5]];
_unit setskill ["aimingShake", random [0.6,0.8,1]];
_unit setskill ["aimingSpeed", random [0.5,0.7,0.9]];
_unit setskill ["spotDistance", random [0.8,1,1.2]];
_unit setskill ["spotTime", random [0.8,1,1.2]];
_unit setskill ["commanding", random [0.8,1,1.2]];
_unit setskill ["courage", random [0.8,1,1.2]];
_unit setskill ["general", random [0.8,1,1.2]];
_unit setskill ["reloadSpeed", random [0.1,0.3,0.5]];
_unit setUnitRecoilCoefficient random [1,1.7,2];
true
};
if ("ELITE" in _this) exitwith {
_unit setskill 0.3;
_unit setUnitAbility 0.3;
_unit setskill ["aimingAccuracy", random [0.5,0.6,0.62]];
_unit setskill ["aimingShake", random [0.6,0.8,1]];
_unit setskill ["aimingSpeed", random [0.5,0.7,0.9]];
_unit setskill ["spotDistance", random [0.3,0.5,0.7]];
_unit setskill ["spotTime", random [0.5,0.7,0.9]];
_unit setskill ["commanding", random [0.8,1,1.2]];
_unit setskill ["courage", random [0.4,0.6,0.8]];
_unit setskill ["general", random [0.1,0.3,0.5]];
_unit setskill ["reloadSpeed", random [0.01,0.1,0.3]];
_unit setUnitRecoilCoefficient random [0.5,0.55,0.6];
true
};

 

Cheers

[Varis 34]

Currently playing on top of a script by Fluit and Bl1p (random AI skill). 

 

Grumpy would you have the converted values as well or did you put them into the trashcan? BTW love the names you gave to your troop quality levels 

 

I guess one answer could be to leave aiming accuracy (not too high, results in broken experience) but adjust reaction times etc.

[Grumpy Old Man 3546]

3 hours ago, Varis said:

Currently playing on top of a script by Fluit and Bl1p (random AI skill). 

 

Grumpy would you have the converted values as well or did you put them into the trashcan? BTW love the names you gave to your troop quality levels 

 

I guess one answer could be to leave aiming accuracy (not too high, results in broken experience) but adjust reaction times etc.

I don't have any converted values, just goofed around with it a bit after the change, couldn't get any results that are close to before the change.

A setUnitRecoilCoefficient above +2 also can force the unit to reacquire aim.

 

Cheers

[GEORGE FLOROS GR 4207]

11 hours ago, Varis said:

Currently playing on top of a script by Fluit and Bl1p (random AI skill). 

 

Hello Varis !

Can you add a link for this ?

[Varis 34]

Just now, GEORGE FLOROS GR said:

 

Hello Varis !

Can you add a link for this ?

 

Hi GEORGE - I could not find a link to the original script, but it's included in eg. Zerty's Mod of BECTI - https://github.com/zerty/Benny-Edition-CTI-0.97-Zerty-Modification - look under Addons

[GEORGE FLOROS GR 4207]

2 hours ago, Varis said:

I could not find a link to the original script

 

Thank you very much Varis !

I found the same searching this , but i wanted so else to ask you if you know about the original script.

 

Thanks !

[tortuosit 486]

I don't care much about AI any more. I tend to make them dumb. I created stupid script which simply sets their skills randomly inside a defined range. 

[Gunter Severloh 4063]

Dont forget about my list fellas if your looking for scripts, codes, posts, and mods to help sort out issues or set them up to how you want:

Also a little code i use in missions i build:

 

Create a init.sqf

inside it copy n paste the following:

[] spawn
    {
    while {true} do
        {
        sleep 10;

            {
            _x setSkill ["aimingspeed", 0.1];
            _x setSkill ["spotdistance", 0.2];
            _x setSkill ["aimingaccuracy", 0.2];
            _x setSkill ["aimingshake", 0.1];
            _x setSkill ["spottime", 0.1];
            _x setSkill ["spotdistance", 0.5];
            _x setSkill ["commanding", 0.2];
            _x setSkill ["general", 0.5];
            }
        forEach allUnits;
        }
    };

and adjust the values to where you see fit, the lower the numbers the dumber they get, lol

This works for units already on the map, and spawned in units as well.

 

The current set values will give you a fighting chance, just dont get to cocky as they are somewhat still accurate, just not every bullet they

shoot will land, i'd say  5 out of 10 will, consider the distance you are from them too.

Heres an older vid i recorded, its just a gameplay demo of my mod but that mission im in is using this code:

 

[FallujahMedic -FM- 867]

I was just looking at it today! 

[tortuosit 486]

2 hours ago, Gunter Severloh said:

Dont forget about my list fellas if your looking for scripts, codes, posts, and mods to help sort out issues or set them up to how you want:

 

I'd put a "sleep 0.05;" into the foreach loop just to be on the safe side (possibly lag when many units?) because you apply skill on all units every time.

Also good practise when spawning units. Don't know if it presents lags at all. OTOH, ArmA people are used to detect unit spawns with help of lag :D

 

 

The below script sets random skills (per side) and remembers units in arrays, i.e. can apply only once, may not be 100% perfect code (e.g., could use "params") and change of skill on spawn EH would be better, but hey.

It may also be an idea to create seeded randomness per unit seed. Should be easy to get a number from the object name and with seeded randomness you can get the same pseudo randomness per unit.

EDIT: The rotten forum software a) ate preceding blank spaces and b) added empty lines.

I put the code here: https://pastebin.com/itgrjwmM

[Jnr4817 215]

2 hours ago, Gunter Severloh said:

Dont forget about my list fellas if your looking for scripts, codes, posts, and mods to help sort out issues or set them up to how you want:

Also a little code i use in missions i build:

 

Create a init.sqf

inside it copy n paste the following:

[] spawn
    {
    while {true} do
        {
        sleep 10;

            {
            _x setSkill ["aimingspeed", 0.1];
            _x setSkill ["spotdistance", 0.2];
            _x setSkill ["aimingaccuracy", 0.2];
            _x setSkill ["aimingshake", 0.1];
            _x setSkill ["spottime", 0.1];
            _x setSkill ["spotdistance", 0.5];
            _x setSkill ["commanding", 0.2];
            _x setSkill ["general", 0.5];
            }
        forEach allUnits;
        }
    };

and adjust the values to where you see fit, the lower the numbers the dumber they get, lol

This works for units already on the map, and spawned in units as well.

 

The current set values will give you a fighting chance, just dont get to cocky as they are somewhat still accurate, just not every bullet they

shoot will land, i'd say  5 out of 10 will, consider the distance you are from them too.

Heres an older vid i recorded, its just a gameplay demo of my mod but that mission im in is using this code:

 

 

How would you turn this into a lobby parameter and have 1-5 settings to choose from for MP, Dedicated, etc?

[GEORGE FLOROS GR 4207]

6 minutes ago, tortuosit said:

you apply skill on all units every time

 

Maybe it would be a better idea to set a variable and check that instead.

 

[GEORGE FLOROS GR 4207]

11 minutes ago, Jnr4817 said:

How would you turn this into a lobby parameter and have 1-5 settings to choose from for MP, Dedicated, etc?

 

Once i ll have time i will add my example here as well !

[Wiki 1558]

yes, but that only works on missions you make.

 

what is your AI settings for official missions?

[GEORGE FLOROS GR 4207]

23 hours ago, Jnr4817 said:

How would you turn this into a lobby parameter and have 1-5 settings to choose from for MP, Dedicated, etc?

 

Here is my example:

Spoiler

 

[semiconductor 309]

I have a somewhat related question that keeps buggering me since the Arma 2 days -- how do you actually set the the AI skill?

 

The skills you change in game's difficulty are not the skills you actually get because each unit has this weird skill slider which somehow affects the final skill. To make matters worse, that slider doesn't seem to be a simple multiplier for the AI skill because you can set AI skill to 1, leave the slider at 0.5 and still get something like 0.74915164.

 

Is there any way to set the damn thing to a concrete and constant value once and for all?

[GEORGE FLOROS GR 4207]

52 minutes ago, semiconductor said:

Is there any way to set the damn thing to a concrete and constant value once and for all?

 

Hello there semiconductor !

 

I will just tell you to check my script.

( + There is also a random option. )

[Broseph_Stalin90 72]

1 hour ago, semiconductor said:

I have a somewhat related question that keeps buggering me since the Arma 2 days -- how do you actually set the the AI skill?

 

The skills you change in game's difficulty are not the skills you actually get because each unit has this weird skill slider which somehow affects the final skill. To make matters worse, that slider doesn't seem to be a simple multiplier for the AI skill because you can set AI skill to 1, leave the slider at 0.5 and still get something like 0.74915164.

 

Is there any way to set the damn thing to a concrete and constant value once and for all?

 

I've been wondering the exact same thing for probably just as long. I remember during Arma 2, setting the unit skill in the editor above 50% would turn them into terminator death machines, I assume the same happens with Arma 3, so I usually leave the average unit skill around 40-50%, depending on rank, infantry or insurgents, etc etc. I'm not too sure how much ACTUAL effect this has, or if the skill is too low, too high. 

[semiconductor 309]

*crickets*

 

Well, here's the problem with the AI - you can't balance it because nobody has any clue what the skill would actually be and how it would affect bots' behaviour.

 

Most of the time I just tune them to some random level that intuitively seems acceptable and call it a day. The more you try to tweak the AI, the more it will start to deviate from desired behaviour.

[warlord554 2065]

I give them high dispersion weapons. If you really want you could add a trigger that doesn't enable them to engage until your parameters are met

[semiconductor 309]

22 hours ago, warlord554 said:

I give them high dispersion weapons.

Interesting, what weapons are these?

 

22 hours ago, warlord554 said:

If you really want you could add a trigger that doesn't enable them to engage until your parameters are met

Yes but it's too much hassle for something that should be a trivial thing.

[warlord554 2065]

Yeah I know brother AI needs alot of work. Workarounds like those is what I've resorted too over the years lol

 

Weapon dispersion is defined in the weapon config (whatever weapons you give to enemy). Just adjust and pack config as pbo. This method simulates lower skilled bad guys pretty good. They aren't all sharpshooters

[Janez 531]

On 9/15/2018 at 7:34 PM, Wiki said:

yes, but that only works on missions you make.

 

what is your AI settings for official missions?

 

I turned the campaign and all showcases couple of times before "AI refactoring" grumpy mentioned and I have it by now with first shot, headshot on 300m.

So, now that global skill slider affects AI a lot more linearly I'm running these, forgiving values.

class CustomAILevel
{
	skillAI=0.75;
	precisionAI=0.25;
};