Airsoft & Paintball and those in between.

[FSPilot 0]

Then again, you are eating paste.

[Necromancer- 0]

the Tokyo Steyr AUG doesn't differ much in weight compared to the real steel version.

[hellfish6 7]

OK - I'm starting to seriously think about this Airsoft thing. I've got a few questions, though:

1. What's the difference between spring, gas and electric operated? Do spring air rifles mean you have to cock the weapon to reload it? What benefits are there for electric over gas?

2. What BB size should I be looking for? I see all kinds of measurements, 6mm, .12g, .20g, etc.

3. Anybody know where I can get a good gun in the US? I see the afore recommended FA-MAS on Ebay for $130 or so.

Thanks

[hellfish6 7]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Mar. 09 2003,22:34)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hellfish6 @ Mar. 10 2003,05:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (RalphWiggum @ Mar. 09 2003,18:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well, although i'm not an airsoft person, i bought a spring piston BB gun today for 25 bucks and is reliving my childhood. It looks like Sig P226, and fires ok. made by KWT(or KWC) in Taiwan. the size is almost like the real P226.

i already own real pistols, so not so fascinated with AS guns, but I can't fire real guns in my room, so this will do. <span id='postcolor'>

Heh. Hope you don't confuse the real one with the toy if you're gonna shoot it indoors. <span id='postcolor'>

don't worry. real one has red barrel end so i know it is the real thing and will cause harm if fired.    

seriously, the weight difference is so much that there is no chance of confusion, if i take precaution.<span id='postcolor'>

Taking precautions = not getting drunk when the gun is out?

[FSPilot 0]

Taking precautions = making sure no police are around.

[Renagade 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MrMilli @ Nov. 26 2002,22:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Renagade @ Nov. 26 2002,20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (MrMilli @ Nov. 26 2002,17:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Legal Limits in the UK are iffy, take a look at arnies airsoft for the best explanation.

WGC prices are good, but you need to take into account all the charges before ordering, because if you can't pay them they you won't get the goods <!--emo&

P.S M134, YES PLEASE!<span id='postcolor'>

From what i`ve read on  the energy of a pellet must not exceed 1 joule which is roughly 320fps for normal ammo slightly lower for heavier ammo and thats for automatics.

For sem-automatics its 520fps both sniper and pistols as far as i know also i dont know if they`ll be treated as illegal or just as an airgun if u exceed the limit :|

As for places to play over here the rule is to use them on private property with permission of the landowner (tip:-get written permission and keep it safe) even though their may be grounds better suited and safer to play on???

It may also be useful to go through the hassle of letting the local police know when ur going ,woopeee other wise some moron ,70% of the population, may think ur actually running around with an assualt rifle just for the fun of it woopee

Also from what i`ve heard the clubs now are more smallish local ones,local clubs for local ppl which im not a big fan off so ill be sticking to laserquest for the meantime.<span id='postcolor'>

to quote

"There is no specific legal limit for Airsoft replicas! Firstly, Airsoft replicas are not weapons! A weapon is defined as something ‘which has a lethal effect on its target, or is capable of penetrating the skin’.  Evidence from the forensic science service (http://www.forensic.gov.uk/forensic/entry.htm), accepted by the Home Office, states that:

‘The lowest power level at which a penetrating injury can occur is at a muzzle energy of about one foot pound, which roughly equates to 1.35 joules’

So basically, anything with a muzzle energy of less than 1.35J is not a firearm, or weapon, and is not restricted in any way by the firearms act. [hence why if you look I never refer to airsoft guns as "weapons"] This also means they can be purchased by anyone, even young children. (See http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa....05.htm) 1.35J muzzle energy is approximately 380fps with a 0.2g BB, and limits are often quoted as an fps, assuming that it corresponds to a 0.2g BB..."

This applies to all airsoft guns in the UK, a airsoft gun doing 500fps (including sniper rifles and definately self loaders doing 500fps) are classed as low powered air weapons, but when you play on a site you give consent to be shot at by these low powered air weapons, which because they have a power of over 1ft/lb are classed as "Firearms" not requiring a police issued certificate or otherwise licensed.

So, technically as long as you give consent to be shot at by them, the limit can go as high as 12 ft/lb, but if you turn up with any gun clocking more than 500fps (or 1.7ft/lb)

then the site owners will "politely invite you to vacate the property" and if you turn up with one doing 12ft/lb (or a scary 1329 fps) then you will be escorted off the site with your gun in about 7000 more pieces than it arrived in.

If you turn up amazingly with anything over 12ft/lb, then it is well within the rights of the site owners to call the police, and have them nick you for possesion of an illegal firearm (which it would be classified as, and which you would get a hefty fine and/or prison term)

Shoot someone with it and it you are "discharging an illegal firearm" or if you have a crap lawyer "Assualt (Which I have forgotten to spell)  with a deadly weapon" and you will be finding out what they mean with the endless "Bubba" prison jokes.

Going back to sniper and self loader, a airsoft gun technically going over 12ft/lb and self loading or fully automatic fall under the same regulations as if you'd just bought a real steel AK-47 from some funny bloke called Vlad who sounds eastern european.

No fines

No Cautions

You go to jail and do not pass go or collect Å200

by Single Action it does not mean semi-automatic, it means where an action is needed to fire again (hence why Cadets are allowed GP rifles but not SA80's converted to semi)

However, since you play on a site technically giving consent to be shot at only by guns going up to 500fps, if you arrive with a gun clocked over that limit, consent is withdrawn and you could be prosecuted for it, even if it is clocking 501.

buuuuutttt there is no precedent for this happening, so you might get away with it in court if you were prosecuted

buuuuutttt maybe not, as you still violated the letter of the law in a country that is so gun-phobic people are campaigning for kiddies cap guns to be made illegal.

To conclude, when I say the laws are iffy, I am actually understating the fact

To those not living in the great land, ignore all of the above, as other countries make the power definition though there own independant national advisory services, and as such everyone comes up with a different result <span id='postcolor'>

was browsing through some stuff and came across this and remebered this thread plus there`s some other airsoft stuff for everyone else

http://www.practicalairsoft.co.uk/uk-law.html

rather funny how paintball guns get an easy ride considering if u stick aa marble or frozen paintpall in them they could give out a fair whacking to anyone who got in the way

[Necromancer- 0]

lets play paintball in the winter.

FFS... the law here is stupid.

Our firearms law states that any object resembling a real gun is illegal.

So, if I ductape and paint a cucumber and carrot black.... its totally illegal.

Heck, how should people know what guns are real??

ffs.. If i walk in a store with an airsoft version of an OICW, FN P90, Steyr AUG or a HK G36 ppl think its an oversized toy gun.

Unless I meet one of you guys in the store of course.

[Hit_Sqd_Maximus 0]

My parents own around 850 acres in a town 40 miles from were I live and I go paintballing there with some friends a lot..... I am considering buying airsoft though, but I have some questions.

I noticed people wear safety goggles instead of the goggles you wear when paintballing... do they make anything with a little bit more protection?

What would be the best all around gun for someone just checking it out?(Like green gas, spring, battery, and what are the advantages and disadvantages to each of them) There are no fields or dealerships here in Oklahoma so everything I buy would have to be shiped.

and is there any good information pages that arent there to sell you things?

[USMC Sniper 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Necromancer- @ Mar. 18 2003,21:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ffs.. If i walk in a store with an airsoft version of an OICW, FN P90, Steyr AUG or a HK G36 ppl think its an oversized toy gun.<span id='postcolor'>

Load the clip and cock the gun in front of them, that would convince everyone. Some of my friends thought my AK47 airsoft gun was a toy, untill they learned the hard way.

[Renagade 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hit_Sqd_Maximus @ Mar. 18 2003,22:04)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My parents own around 850 acres in a town 40 miles from were I live and I go paintballing there with some friends a lot..... I am considering buying airsoft though, but I have some questions.

I noticed people wear safety goggles instead of the goggles you wear when paintballing... do they make anything with a little bit more protection?

What would be the best all around gun for someone just checking it out?(Like green gas, spring, battery, and what are the advantages and disadvantages to each of them) There are no fields or dealerships here in Oklahoma so everything I buy would have to be shiped.

and is there any good information pages that arent there to sell you things?<span id='postcolor'>

Im sure u can just use the paintball masks for airsoft.

There was also some info on the link i posted

[Hit_Sqd_Maximus 0]

were did you post the link at?

[110 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (IceFire @ Dec. 29 2002,17:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hmm, so you guys are getting BB guns dressed up as rifles and stuff?

Why not just invest in real guns?  They are better, and for play, you could use "simunition" which is like real bullets, only like paintballs.

They are probably as close as you can get to the accuracy, distance, and power of real firearms.<span id='postcolor'>

Simunition is ONLY sold to Law Enforcement.

[MrMilli 0]

3 months old mate, thats already been said

[FSPilot 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hellfish6 @ Mar. 18 2003,11:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1. What's the difference between spring, gas and electric operated? Do spring air rifles mean you have to cock the weapon to reload it? What benefits are there for electric over gas?<span id='postcolor'>

Spring rifles work like a bolt action rifle, you have to cock it when you want to shoot it. That's the main benefit of using an electric rifle (AEG), you don't have to sit and work a bolt.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2. What BB size should I be looking for? I see all kinds of measurements, 6mm, .12g, .20g, etc. <span id='postcolor'>

The BBs should all be the same size (6mm), but they have different weights (.12g, .2g). It depends on what you want to do with your rifle, ask the dealer you're buying the gun from.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">3. Anybody know where I can get a good gun in the US? I see the afore recommended FA-MAS on Ebay for $130 or so. <span id='postcolor'>

I've been told not to buy on Ebay. Too much money and too much risk. Buy one from a dealer.

[hellfish6 7]

Thanks for the info!

[Milkman 1]

Hey, I read this awhile ago and what do you know! It helped convince me to buy my Tokyo Mauri AK-47!

My friends and I live out in the middle of nowhere with no cops so we walk around with our Ak's, G3's, Mp5's and our M4s shooting at Deer!! Its dosn't seem to hurt them, but its fun.

We onganized a kinda neighborhood militia and we are trying to get into a tournament.

Airsoft is goodtimes!

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Sgt. Milkman @ Mar. 19 2003,19:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">My friends and I live out in the middle of nowhere with no cops so we walk around with our Ak's, G3's, Mp5's and our M4s shooting at Deer!! Its dosn't seem to hurt them, but its fun.<span id='postcolor'>

please don't hurt those defenseless animals. it hurts them too.

[FSPilot 0]

you wouldnt call them defenseless when they do several thousand dollars worth of damage to your car as well as possibly killing your and your passengers.

[ralphwiggum 6]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 21 2003,01:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you wouldnt call them defenseless when they do several thousand dollars worth of damage to your car as well as possibly killing your and your passengers.<span id='postcolor'>

eh hem...that's called hunting for dinner!

and please drive responsibly....

[FSPilot 0]

I bought this truck for a reason.

...

To get to airsoft games.

[Necromancer- 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 21 2003,01:31)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I bought this truck for a reason.

...

To get to airsoft games. <span id='postcolor'>

Do you have a M60 mounted on your truck?

[Jinef 2]

Ah yes the American hillbillies come out in force!

*gets his straw hat and shotgun*

Yeeeha!

[Renagade 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 21 2003,01:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you wouldnt call them defenseless when they do several thousand dollars worth of damage to your car as well as possibly killing your and your passengers.<span id='postcolor'>

thats what heavy bull bars are for

fuck getting killed because an animal or some other obstruction`s on the road

[Renagade 0]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (FSPilot @ Mar. 19 2003,16:57)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Hellfish6 @ Mar. 18 2003,11:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"><span id='postcolor'>

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">1. What's the difference between spring, gas and electric operated? Do spring air rifles mean you have to cock the weapon to reload it? What benefits are there for electric over gas?<span id='postcolor'>

Spring rifles work like a bolt action rifle, you have to cock it when you want to shoot it.  That's the main benefit of using an electric rifle (AEG), you don't have to sit and work a bolt.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">2. What BB size should I be looking for? I see all kinds of measurements, 6mm, .12g, .20g, etc. <span id='postcolor'>

The BBs should all be the same size (6mm), but they have different weights (.12g, .2g).  It depends on what you want to do with your rifle, ask the dealer you're buying the gun from.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">3. Anybody know where I can get a good gun in the US? I see the afore recommended FA-MAS on Ebay for $130 or so. <span id='postcolor'>

I've been told not to buy on Ebay.  Too much money and too much risk.  Buy one from a dealer.<span id='postcolor'>

yeah ur drug dealer,im sure he can fix u up with some that hits a little harder too

speaking of getting a gun has anyone got a gas one??

i`ve seen a few good ones which aren`t the overpriced blowback kind.

Why do they have blowback systems anyway all the do is waste gas and cost 3 times as much as a normal gas gun

[Koolkid101 0]

Can someone help me?

I wanna get this gun

But it says Marui MP5A3 ( Spring Gun ). I read that you had to like cock it every time you fire? Can soemoen give me the dummy's guide to a spring gun. How fast can you reload it, and how much does it way? Also are there places in Vermont besides in the woods where you can fight?