war_lord 934 Posted March 30, 2016 Thanks for quoting something that confirms what I just said. Either you have a Supersonic round coming out of the gun, and that generates significant noise, or you're firing subsonic rounds with a fraction of the muzzle velocity, or you've done something like the MP5SD and you're rendering hot rounds subsonic before they leave the barrel, and you're firing subsonic rounds with a fraction of the muzzle velocity. If that word "subsonic" is involved at any point, congratulations, you've officially mitigated the only reason the M107 is used. And if it isn't, you've still got a Suppressed Barrett which isn't all that quiet. People in the gun community are way too eager to jump on the latest piece of "revolutionary technology" without looking at any fine print. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
delta3242 399 Posted March 30, 2016 That is VERY quiet! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cosmic10r 2330 Posted March 30, 2016 Thanks for quoting something that confirms what I just said. Either you have a Supersonic round coming out of the gun, and that generates significant noise, or you're firing subsonic rounds with a fraction of the muzzle velocity, or you've done something like the MP5SD and you're rendering hot rounds subsonic before they leave the barrel, and you're firing subsonic rounds with a fraction of the muzzle velocity. If that word "subsonic" is involved at any point, congratulations, you've officially mitigated the only reason the M107 is used. And if it isn't, you've still got a Suppressed Barrett which isn't all that quiet. People in the gun community are way too eager to jump on the latest piece of "revolutionary technology" without looking at any fine print. Much like ArmA... people in the gun community like trying things... I recommend getting out and firing some ... great fun It will depend on the application ... at 2500 yards then you don't want the bullet drift that occurs in a subsonic round. At 1000 yards you may want a subsonic round... it is generally still carrying sufficient kinetic energy to still function as a anti material rifle at those ranges due to the grain size of the bullet. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
war_lord 934 Posted March 30, 2016 Much like ArmA... people in the gun community like trying things... I recommend getting out and firing some ... great fun Nice job dodging the question. Is it a super sonic round coming out of that barrel? Useful in real life and useful in a simulator are two different things, if a silencer makes things quieter for the shooter that's a good thing in real life, it matters not in Arma. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cosmic10r 2330 Posted March 30, 2016 Thanks for quoting something that confirms what I just said. Either you have a Supersonic round coming out of the gun, and that generates significant noise, or you're firing subsonic rounds with a fraction of the muzzle velocity, or you've done something like the MP5SD and you're rendering hot rounds subsonic before they leave the barrel, and you're firing subsonic rounds with a fraction of the muzzle velocity. If that word "subsonic" is involved at any point, congratulations, you've officially mitigated the only reason the M107 is used. And if it isn't, you've still got a Suppressed Barrett which isn't all that quiet. People in the gun community are way too eager to jump on the latest piece of "revolutionary technology" without looking at any fine print. Well those are all statements... there were no questions in there... in any case... you clearly know more then the gun community so i will defer to your knowledge... on a side note... you don't have to be combative all the time... discussions are fun too... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
war_lord 934 Posted March 30, 2016 The original discussion was about battlefield noise suppression, I pointed about that suppressing ("silencing", to quote to original poster) a M107 was a doomed enterprise if the goal is stealth. In response you posted a video that was rather misleading, since the goal of the OSS suppressor is backpressure and shooter side noise reduction, and it's actually quite subpar at noise reduction over range. And then you started ducking questions.The one big advantage the M107 has is that the heavy bullet and the Muzzle Velocity means that it can take out materiel (the correct term, the term "anti-material" is based on a misunderstanding) at seriously long distances. At 1000 yards, .338 Lapua will do pretty much the same job in a much lighter, more portable package. I'm sorry If I seem confrontational. The Barrett gets mythologized way too much online and I might be projecting my frustration at that a little too much. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cosmic10r 2330 Posted March 30, 2016 lol... going back through your posts there is not a single ?... so no.. there is no ducking questions... I was just showing how some of the suppressor technology has worked... you seem very combative... Im not trying to prove you wrong... I was just showing how quiet some of them can get and that yes... there may be an application for it... in any case... seriously man ... truce... there is no need to get all worked up... see... look at what I found... maybe this will make you chuckle... a silencer for the 155mm round LOL Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cosmic10r 2330 Posted March 30, 2016 The one big advantage the M107 has is that the heavy bullet and the Muzzle Velocity means that it can take out materiel (the correct term, the term "anti-material" is based on a misunderstanding) at seriously long distances. At 1000 yards, .338 Lapua will do pretty much the same job in a much lighter, more portable package. I'm sorry If I seem confrontational. The Barrett gets mythologized way too much online and I might be projecting my frustration at that a little too much. no worries at all... I think anything Barrett is that way... That being said.... I would love a 98b in .338 :) but the rounds up here are around 10 bucks A PIECE... funny thing is ... one can get a custom rig in .338 for less 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
war_lord 934 Posted March 30, 2016 Something like the OSS could be useful for the XM109, considering that the reason that project has been stalled since the 90's is that in it's current form the recoil is akin to a small child being shot out of a cannon at the shooter. But for the M107? Nah. Sometimes it's just better to accept that a gun isn't meant for a certain task then try to force it to do something it just isn't meant to do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cosmic10r 2330 Posted March 30, 2016 Something like the OSS could be useful for the XM109, considering that the reason that project has been stalled since the 90's is that in it's current form the recoil is akin to a small child being shot out of a cannon at the shooter. But for the M107? Nah. Sometimes it's just better to accept that a gun isn't meant for a certain task then try to force it to do something it just isn't meant to do. yep.. and with the .338 being designed as a sniper round it is honestly a better round for general purposes with the .50 being more suited to the material role ;) I have a .300 win mag and it really is a nice round for anything 700 to 1600m out... there is definately some hollywood fantasy in the 2500m engagement... not that it can't be done or hasn't been done... just that it is certainly not a typical scenario... 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
war_lord 934 Posted March 30, 2016 And the Barrett isn't even particularly accurate at those long ranges, a particularly good M107, in the hands of a trained Sniper, in good shooting conditions, with Match ammo, is like what, 1.5 MOA? Hitting a man sized target, in battle conditions, with a 1.5 MOA rifle, at over 1500 meters is largely down to luck. I had someone seriously argue to me on Youtube that being on the longest range confirmed kills list made the M107 a sniper rifle. Under that logic the M2 Browning is a sniper rifle. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cosmic10r 2330 Posted March 30, 2016 this is rather interesting from the barrett forum I have attended the "armorer" class at BFMI and have "some" experience with the "accurizing" debate. The "consistency factor" is by far the greatest consideration to improving accuracy. The NM170 ammunition from NAMMO represents the ballistic performance of the MK 211 Mod 0. It is the most consistent "ball" that I am aware of and it is in the range of 1.5 MOA. The guys who have the most experience are the military operators (and they ain't sayin). No, you can't buy it! You can load A-max in good brass and get similar results. Consistent "lock-up" of the action is important here (as well as the trigger pressure). I will not comment on the "trigger jobs" that can be performed, but reducing trigger pressure is clearly beneficial (as long as you avoid ADs). The sysytem "contact points" are the barrel at the front bushing (front of the upper assembly); the grooved portion of the barrel at the rear top of the barrel (male part on the upper) and the lower portion of the barrel which rests in the lower assembly. Polish/lubricate/more tighly fit all of these areas and accuracy will improve. Of course if the tolerances are "tighter" there is less room for dirt/firing residue which can negatively impact reliability. The new muzzle brake is certainly more "finished" than the older arrowhead design. Keeping the mass closer to the center of the bore will make things better too. I know that "single loading" the rounds and allowing the bolt to close from half-way seem to get the best results. There is some truth to keeping the ammo at a particular temperature (as powder burns more rapidly as the temperature rises). I think the competitors out there (especially you FCSA members); learn quite a bit from attending matches and seeing what works. Barring that, become a member and read their publication. No matter what you do, I do not expect you will get this SASR system to perform better than 1.5 MOA. That without altering some of the design specifications. To err is human, to fail to learn from the mistake is stupid. So looks like your 1.5 is about right with the best ammo. That particular comment was about the m107A1 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zeealex 2029 Posted April 1, 2016 jesus i leave this thread alone for 5 minutes... lol kiddingOkay, i'm back up and running for the time being, not done damage control on the drives quite yet, will plug in the secondary HDD tomorrow morning and see if it's still working and if the DSR 1 is salvagablefor now, work on the barrett continues as normal. 3 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warden_1 1070 Posted April 1, 2016 you seem very combative... Im not trying to prove you wrong... I was just showing how quiet some of them can get and that yes... there may be an application for it... Yeah this dude is always like that, surprisingly this time he is actually right. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zeealex 2029 Posted April 2, 2016 excuse me for being frank here, i don't care who's off topic, i don't care who started it, it stops, right now. or I won't be developing any more addons, simple as that, i'm tired of putting effort into a community in which a lot of people choose to act like a bunch of fucking six year olds. it's no where near like the quiet community I came from where respect was actually seen on a daily basis. 10 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zeealex 2029 Posted April 3, 2016 I would like to confirm two things today, both, I hope, are positive :)1) the DSR-1 model has been recovered, so work can continue ASAP2) yesterday, when testing the stability of Max 2016, i was able to make an OICW XM29 (1998) which i'd hate to see go to waste: A few more tweaks, then I'll be able to complete a LowPoly. 11 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
schaefer 53 Posted April 3, 2016 Very nice!! Looking Forward :lol: 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeza 5416 Posted April 3, 2016 OICW! Specialist Will Jacobs from OGR memories :) great stuff as ever zee. 4 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zeealex 2029 Posted April 3, 2016 naaaaah, c'mon, get real, Leah Cohen FTW!! jk ;)thank you both :) 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
war_lord 934 Posted April 3, 2016 Ah the OICW, a fine example of what happens when a weapon is designed by a committee of dudes who've never spoken to an actual Infantryman, It's all looking real good Zeealex. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
roberthammer 582 Posted April 4, 2016 Ah the OICW, a fine example of what happens when a weapon is designed by a committee of dudes who've never spoken to an actual Infantryman, It's all looking real good Zeealex. Well yes , but that was what US army wanted - same story with XM8 program more info about OICW - here > http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30:the-oicw Rifle itself was a G36K mounted into Grenade Launcher unit but the Grenade Launcher and it's optic lives on in the XM25 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
war_lord 934 Posted April 4, 2016 Well yes , but that was what US army wanted - same story with XM8 program more info about OICW - here > http://www.hkpro.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=30:the-oicw Rifle itself was a G36K mounted into Grenade Laucher but Grenade Launcher and it's optic lives on XM25 I'm aware of the history, the whole "objective weapon" project was a shambles. It did lead to some worthwhile projects, like the XM25, XM109, MK 47 and LSAT. But it was mostly a doomed-from-the-start expensive mess, Even a Call of Duty player could have told them why trying to mash the LAW and Sniper Rifle, or mortar and assault rifle into a single weapon system was a bad idea. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
teddymosart1 40 Posted April 4, 2016 What`s the general time-frame on these weapons? They looks amazing.....Could they come with their dedicated Carry-All Backpack,too? That can hold 2 guns in it? Would be very useful. 2 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kimukun 12 Posted April 4, 2016 Wow great news about the DSR-1!!!! :D I freaking love your work and can't wait until I can test them out in Arma. 1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
zeealex 2029 Posted April 7, 2016 thanks all, general time frame depends on configging, poor misty has more weapons to prepare for everytime he looks at them xD not too sure on backpacks, but I do plan on a box of sorts. @kimukun, thank you! i'm glad you like my work :)on a general OT but not OT moment, i think the DSR is happy to be getting UV'dat this general speed, it may be done by saturday provided no one needs me to weight stuff :) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
