Will-my-pc-run-Arma3? What cpu/gpu to get? What settings? What system specifications?

[cb65 85]

1 hour ago, domokun said:

860 Evo.

You just saved $200 and probably won't notice the difference

So spend $200 on a significant upgrade, e.g. GPU, CPU, RAM, screen or even TrackIR.

 

 

Thanks for that very interesting video I've got to still get Hard drive, Video card, and power supply for my new build so yeah I think I might go with the 860 EVO now and save some money. I've already got Case, Motherboard, CPU, Heat sink and Ram.

I was originally thinking about getting the 860 EVO sata or just sticking with a HDD.

I think I've already stuffed up with the ram I bought. I think it was @oldbear that might have said learning to build your own PC can come at a price when you make mistakes.

 

Cheers.

[Tankbuster 1733]

1 hour ago, domokun said:

860 Evo.

You just saved $200 and probably won't notice the difference

So spend $200 on a significant upgrade, e.g. GPU, CPU, RAM, screen or even TrackIR.

 

I'm never going back to SATA SSDs now in the same way 4 years ago I said 'I'm never going back to HDDs'

[cb65 85]

5 minutes ago, Tankbuster said:

I'm never going back to SATA SSDs now in the same way 4 years ago I said 'I'm never going back to HDDs'

 

@Tankbuster can you elaborate why please mate ?

 

I'm starting to think its up to how much money I wont to spend that makes the difference.

 

Cheers.

[Tankbuster 1733]

M2 drives have always felt way faster to me. Starting the machine from cold, opening apps, working with big files, they all are better with an m2.

[cb65 85]

9 minutes ago, Tankbuster said:

M2 drives have always felt way faster to me. Starting the machine from cold, opening apps, working with big files, they all are better with an m2.

 

Ok cheers for that mate its all helping me to work out in the end what I choose to buy.

[cb65 85]

Thanks for all of the replies everyone.

 

I've decided I'm going to go with the Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe SSD 1TB because my new motherboard supports it. It costs a bit more at $329.00 AU but you only live once so why not.

 

Cheers.

[Tankbuster 1733]

9 hours ago, cb65 said:

Thanks for all of the replies everyone.

 

I've decided I'm going to go with the Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe SSD 1TB because my new motherboard supports it. It costs a bit more at $329.00 AU but you only live once so why not.

 

Cheers.

Exactly what I'm running here. A fine piece of kit.

[domokun 515]

13 hours ago, cb65 said:

Thanks for all of the replies everyone.

 

I've decided I'm going to go with the Samsung 970 EVO Plus NVMe SSD 1TB because my new motherboard supports it. It costs a bit more at $329.00 AU but you only live once so why not.

 

Cheers.

Because you'd notice bigger gains if you invested elsewhere?

[cb65 85]

3 hours ago, domokun said:

Because you'd notice bigger gains if you invested elsewhere?

 

Don't know where else I could invest I've bought a top end motherboard and 32g of ram and an intel i9 9900k cpu I'm getting a 1000 watt power supply and I plan on getting an RTX 2080 super so I'm not sure what you mean sorry.

 

And from what I can tell about SSD's the difference is minimal and everyone has a difference of experience and opinion to the point where its down to how much a person won'ts to spend.

 

I'm building a new PC not upgrading my old one.

 

Cheers.

[Reezo 45]

20 hours ago, cb65 said:

 

Don't know where else I could invest I've bought a top end motherboard and 32g of ram and an intel i9 9900k cpu I'm getting a 1000 watt power supply and I plan on getting an RTX 2080 super so I'm not sure what you mean sorry.

 

And from what I can tell about SSD's the difference is minimal and everyone has a difference of experience and opinion to the point where its down to how much a person won'ts to spend.

 

I'm building a new PC not upgrading my old one.

 

Cheers.

 

You are building the best gaming PC money can buy at the moment - from my modest amount of expertise on the matter, don't worry about it, it will be awesome!

[Groove_C 267]

@cb65 hope you plan to buy good RAM as well, otherwise your i9 and RTX will be bottlenecked.

[cb65 85]

On 3/3/2020 at 1:26 AM, Groove_C said:

@cb65 hope you plan to buy good RAM as well, otherwise your i9 and RTX will be bottlenecked.

 

I think I've stuffed up with the ram @Groove_C I mentioned it earlier in this forum post that I purchased Corsair Dominator Platinum RGB 16GB (2x8GB) 3600MHz CL18 DDR4 which you said was no good but I'm hoping its overclocking abilities might improve on the CL18 latency otherwise I'll have to try and sell them on ebay at a loss and get some G.Skill Ripjaws V 16GB (2x8GB) 3600MHz CL16 DDR4 based on your earlier advise.

 

What do you think I should do I could send them back but I would cop a 15% cost on each kit because there past the 30 day return policy ?

 

Cheers.

[Groove_C 267]

Should do so. Otherwise what's the benefit of i9 and RTX if it performs like and i5 and GTX, because of RAM.

 

3600 16-16-16-36 can be OC'ed, but 3600 CL18 not even worth trying - waste of time.

Whole build must be well balanced.

Otherwise, your "cheap" RAM negates the benefits of having high end CPU and GPU.

[cb65 85]

51 minutes ago, Groove_C said:

Should do so. Otherwise what's the benefit of i9 and RTX if it performs like and i5 and GTX, because of RAM.

 

3600 16-16-16-36 can be OC'ed, but 3600 CL18 not even worth trying - waste of time.

Whole build must be well balanced.

Otherwise, your "cheap" RAM negates the benefits of having high end CPU and GPU.

 

OK thanks mate I'll do that straight away.

 

This will be the second time I've re-parceled them up because I have also applied once for a return which they accepted because I wasn't sure they would even work with the motherboard because I realized after I bought them that they weren't listed on the motherboards QVL support list, so I contacted Corsair and they said they would work on any Z390 motherboards so I cancelled the return application. LOL.

I should have checked with you guys first before I bought them.

 

Learning to build your own gaming PC has been stated before can at times when you make a mistake come at a price.

 

Cheers.

[domokun 515]

On 3/1/2020 at 7:07 PM, cb65 said:

 

Don't know where else I could invest I've bought a top end motherboard and 32g of ram and an intel i9 9900k cpu I'm getting a 1000 watt power supply and I plan on getting an RTX 2080 super so I'm not sure what you mean sorry.

 

And from what I can tell about SSD's the difference is minimal and everyone has a difference of experience and opinion to the point where its down to how much a person won'ts to spend.

 

I'm building a new PC not upgrading my old one.

 

Cheers.

If you're learning to build a PC, then throwing money at it might not be the best approach.

It's rather like passing your driving test and buying Bugatti Veyron as your first car.

Perhaps try the "best value for money" first, as you'll learn a lot more about.

But there's years of experience here, so if you get unstuck, give us a shout and I'm sure we'll find a solution.

Enjoy the build, there's nothing like that feeling when she posts for the first time...

[cb65 85]

Yeah I should have all my new PC parts by mid may so I'm hoping that I'll beat the shortage of supply and the price rise of everything. Corona-virus here in Australia was only detected in people that had traveled but as of today we have starting getting cases of person to person contraction of the virus. I've never had the flu in my life and I've never had a flu injection in my life so I hope I don't get this new virus. Very scary stuff.

[Groove_C 267]

I was right 😂

Waiting for other internally known vulnerabilities to be disclosed/exposed.

Not by Intel, of course - they won't admit anything, unless forced to by clear evidence from researchers.

 

Good luck to feature 10th gen (Comet Lake S) owners 🤣
 

On 1/28/2020 at 7:44 PM, Groove_C said:

And not even released 10th gen Comet Lake CPUs are affected as well, since same architecture )))

So they will have a lot of vulnerabilities right on the release )))

And new vulnerabilities on the way. Just not publicly disclosed yet, since no solution for them, yet.

 

Cristiano Giuffrida, Vrije Universiteit, Amsterdam

Security engineering at Intel (or rather lack thereof) is still business as usual. These issues aren't trivial to fix.

But after eighteen months, they're still waiting for researchers to put together proofs-of-concept of every small variation of the attack for them? It’s amazing.

We don’t know the inner workings of Intel's team. But it’s not a good look from the outside.

If Intel isn’t looking and is making no effort, who knows how many vulnerabilities are left?

 

https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2020/03/5-years-of-intel-cpus-and-chipsets-have-a-concerning-flaw-thats-unfixable/

[cb65 85]

@Groove_C I'm going with these now.

 

G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16GB (2x8GB) 3200MHz CL14 DDR4

 

I've sent the Corsair Dominator Platinum back.

 

Cheers.

[oldbear 390]

Here and now, my opinion is that practising Intel bashing is irrelevant.
Especially since AMD is not immune to vulnerability as revealed by the Take Away flaw.

I think it would be best to stay focused on the topic of the forum thread.
For example, to follow, with Arma3 in mind, the confrontation between the Ryzen R5 3600.and upcoming Core i5-10400.

[Groove_C 267]

i5-10400 is not a threat to R5 3600, since its max boost all cores is even lower than R5 3600 max boost all cores.

+ considering that Intel needs around 5.0 GHz frequency to have same performance as AMD at 4.2 GHz.

 

i5-10600K is what R5 3600 should be compared against, but it will need manual OC first, to match R5 3600 without OC.

 

And don't forget much smaller cache, more heat, higher consumption, more expensive mainboards and coolers needed to cool them.

 

I can bash on Intel, since I'm Intel owner and because of their prices and because the number of flaws/vulnerabilities is endless vs. AMD.

 

There will never be a flawless CPU, from Intel or from any other manufacturer.

But so many flaws Intel CPUs have + still not dropping the prices + most of them are know by Intel since like forever and researches have to force, yes, exactly - force Intel to do something, only by disclosing the flaws.

It's not how one should treat clients/buyers.

 

AMD hasn't denied anything and instantly aknowledged the problem.

+ AMD CPUs flaws can't even be counted on 10 fingers, because there are so few of them.

Intel, you would need several hands to count all the flaws force-disclosed.

There are many other flaws known by Intel, but not yet found and disclosed by researchers. So...

[cb65 85]

G.skill emailed me a link to there ram compatibility tool today which is really handy for anyone thinking of buying G.skill ram. I think all ram manufacturers should have the same type of compatibility tool.

 

Check it out.

https://www.gskill.com/configurator

 

Cheers.

[cb65 85]

On a dual channel motherboard is it best to use 2 ram slots or 4 ram slots ?

Because with my research I've been reading that 2 slots are better then 4 because 4 can cause unwanted stress, heat and performance issues.

 

Can anyone confirm this ?

 

Cheers.

[Groove_C 267]

Depends on the mainboard's design, being daisy chain or t-topology - not the number of channels.

More sticks stress the CPU memory controller more and you can't OC 4 8 GB sticks as much as 2 8 GB sticks.

But if you reduce the number of sticks to only 2, but still want to have 32 GB, then it will be 2x16 GB sticks.

And 16 GB sticks are harder to OC than 8 GB Sticks.

[SpartanOfficial 0]

On 1/12/2020 at 2:11 PM, oldbear said:

Rhoo !

Ok, understood!

You said  "optimized the game using nvidia experience" and that is wrong. Nvidia experience tend to apply to your rig the parameters used by other players.

It's not based on tests done by Nvidia, it's based on statistics, for short, if the majority of players set up their rig helter skelter, the proposals from GeForce experience will be non sense.

 

Could you post here screenshots showing the 3 screens from the Arma3 Video Tab.

 

Here, my own parameters, loosely based on the Old Bear method ™, I am currently using on my #1game rig [i7-7700K/RTX 2060 6Go/16 GB DDR4 3200/SSD M.2 500GB + SSD M.2 500GB/Z270] + Iiyama 144Hz 1080p, you had already seen my AA&PP video parameters.

 

 

- never use "SAMPLING" over 110 % even if you want to count all the bolts from the enemy tank hull before firing,

- never use "SHADOW" : Low settings if you get a real GPU

- setting "VISIBILITY" > "OVERALL" to 12000m is "insane" as a well known Veteran Arma Dev officially declared a long time ago. Please use 3800m as a maximum if you are playing as a grunt.

 

 

- disable VSYNC : with a high end rig as a test.

- playing on a 4k monitor may be a highly disappointing experience because of the way the game engine works.

 

Hi apologies for the delay! I have spoken in length with Bohemia support and with the PCSpecialist (where my pc was built) support. They have been little to no use. So I find myself back here again! 

 

What I don't get was I was hitting perfect performance on max everything, at max render distance, 2k, ALL fine. To be clear I have 2 monitors, one 1080p and the other 2k (which I play all games on) I have lowered my graphics and view distance to your specifications. It is much better so far on single player but in towns it still drops to below 60 and I hate having my render distance low but maybe Ill have to accept it if I can start playing properly again. Also seems to screen tear occasionally maybe that's due to my AA & PP settings though. Screenshots of graphic settings: https://imgur.com/a/oCvijDa

 

@evilmedicNever heard of Skylake-X systems but wouldn't tuning void my warranty on my computer? As referenced above, the computer was built by PCSpecialist (a custom build website), hopefully that answers your question? 

 

Full PC Specs:

 

Case CORSAIR OBSIDIAN SERIES™ 500D SE CASE

Processor (CPU)Intel® Core™ i9 12 Core Processor i9-9920X (3.5GHz) 19.25MB Cache

MotherboardASUS® PRIME X299-A: ATX, USB 3.1, SATA 6 GB/s, RGB Ready

Memory (RAM)32GB Corsair VENGEANCE DDR4 2666MHz (4 x 8GB)

Graphics Card11GB NVIDIA GEFORCE RTX 2080 Ti - HDMI, 3x DP GeForce - RTX VR Ready!

1st Storage Drive1TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA 2.5" SSD, (upto 560MB/sR | 540MB/sW)

2nd Storage Drive2TB SEAGATE BARRACUDA SATA-III 3.5" HDD, 6GB/s, 7200RPM, 256MB CACHE

1st M.2 SSD Drive512GB INTEL® 760p M.2 NVMe PCIe SSD (upto 3230MB/sR | 1625MB/sW)

DVD/BLU-RAY DriveNOT REQUIRED

Power SupplyCORSAIR 750W TXm SERIES™ SEMI-MODULAR 80 PLUS® GOLD, ULTRA QUIET

Power Cable1 x 1 Metre UK Power Cable (Kettle Lead)

Processor CoolingCorsair H115i PRO Cooler w/ PCS Ultra Quiet Fans

Thermal PasteCOOLER MASTER MASTERGEL MAKER THERMAL COMPOUND

LED Lighting2x 50cm RGB LED Strip

Sound CardAsus Xonar SE 5.1-Channel Gaming Audio Card

Wireless/Wired NetworkingWIRELESS 802.11 AC1200 867Mbps/5GHz, 300Mbps/2.4GHz PCI-E CARD

USB/Thunderbolt OptionsMIN. 2 x USB 3.0 & 6 x USB 2.0 PORTS @ BACK PANEL + MIN. 2 FRONT PORTS

Operating SystemGenuine Windows 10 Home 64 Bit - inc. Single Licence [KUK-00001]

Operating System LanguageUnited Kingdom - English Language

Windows Recovery MediaWindows 10 Multi-Language Recovery Image - Unlimited Downloads from Online Account

Office SoftwareFREE 30 Day Trial of Microsoft® Office® 365 (Operating System Required)

Anti-VirusNO ANTI-VIRUS SOFTWARE

BrowserMicrosoft® Edge (Windows 10 Only)

MonitorNONE

Cable Management3 x PCS 1.5M Zip Cable Tidy - Professional Cable Management

Warranty3 Year Silver Warranty (1 Year Collect & Return, 1 Year Parts, 3 Year Labour)

 

1.) Has anyone done any tuning for you or are you running on stock settings from corsair ? No, pretty sure it is stock settings.

2.) Do you have CPU-Z installed? If so, can you share the output of the CPU tab and the Memory Tab ? No, I don't have it installed. I can install if needed.

 

Thank you for your continued support, everyone!

 

 

[Groove_C 267]

@SpartanOfficial oh man... you got "scammed", like really.

Skylake X CPUs (i9-9920X) were "dead" even before arrival, you can read about it everywhere and check a video of any solid youtuber, because of really huge price, low frequency, very very low cache (mesh) frequency, heat and expensive X299 mainboards that are useless for gaming.

 

Intel dumped their Skylake X CPUs to sites/shops that build complete/finished/ready to use PCs, to get rid of them how they could, since nobody wants them.

They also paid a lot of youtubers to advertise these CPUs, but a lot of famous youtubers gently refused, to preserve their image.

 

CPUs with same or even higher number of cores/threads + higher core and cache frequency cost much much less.

Even AMD R9 3950X with 16/32 cores/threads costs less than this i9-9920X with "only" 12/24 cores/threads and low frequency.

 

Buying a much much cheaper i9-9900K (8/16 C/T) or R9 3900X (12/24 C/T), cooler, with much cheaper mainboard and also much higher all cores core and cache frequency, would have been a much better idea.

 

Because a price of 800€ only for the CPU (i9-9920X) with like 4 GHz frequency + much much lower than that cache (mesh) frequency + ~300€ for entry level X299 mainboard...

 

+ you have like the most expensive GPU (RTX 2080 Ti), but almost cheapest possible RAM (DDR4 2666 MHz)...

+ you play Arma in windowed mod

 

All of this are the reasons of really terrible performance you're reporting.

 

I suppose you can't return it anymore or exchange it.

You will have to OC the CPU as much as possible and RAM as well.

But with 2666 MHz RAM I think you can forget about OC.

I wouldn't have bought anything lower than 3200 MHz 16-18-18.

But since you have bought a RTX 2080 Ti and a 800€ CPU, you could have bought much better RAM then as well.

No comments...

 

It's not that this CPU is really bad, but it certainly isn't good at all for the price it costs (800€) and it's not for gaming, like at all.

Since even if you could OC it past 4.5 GHz, it wouldn't have helped much, since the cache (mesh) can't go much higher than 3.0 GHz, whereas on an i7-9700K or i9-9900K the cache can attain almost 5.0 GHz and the core frequency can easily go past 5.0 GHz.

And it has already 165 W TDP stock, no OC 🤦‍♂️

 

Don't tell us the price you paid for this PC or I will have a heart stroke.