Arma 3 - APEX - NEWS and SPECULATIONS

[drebin052 323]

maybe Tanoa is a region of a CSAT member

 

Tanoa is neither NATO nor CSAT:

 

"Situated in the South Pacific, the island province of Tanoa is one of many that, together, compose the Horizon Islands - an independent island nation with historic ties to both East and West. Formerly an outpost belonging to the Empire of Japan, before its liberation by US Marines in 1944, evidence of a long history of conflict and turmoil can still be found dotted across the island - relics from times long-since passed."

 

 

So it will probably be a mixture of the A2 and A3 settings where we had CDF vs. CHDkZ; except in this case it'll be BLUFOR and OPFOR Tanoan factions going at each others throats, with each side claiming to be the official government and being supported by NATO and CSAT respectively (U.S. and the PRC) while a third party (Japan?) tries to regain influence over its former colony.

[barbolani 198]

So BIS is developing an island very suitable for jungle, guerrilla warfare, better infantry experience, more wáter warfare... and 50% of the requests are a freaking VTOL plane...

 

My wishes:

 

- Have an adapted to jungle AI, which makes the best use as possible of the trees, bushes etc..

 

- NAPALM, I want vanilla NAPALM. I want to be able to burn all those trees!!

 

- An independent side more adapted to this scenario (such as the Takis were for Takistan) not just another army with paraell vehicles from the other sides.

 

- As I am expecting a group of islands (archipiélago in spanish, don't know the word in english) I expect some fun in the sea, if there is something interesting regarding vehicles, is there. Some boats bigger tan the current ones, and some "resistance" boats in paralell of the pickup with MG guns we may find in land.

[CaptainAzimuth 714]

The fun thing for this is guessing what they wil have in gear...

 

I mean its a 100km2 iland thats not really big (smaller than luxembourg i believe) and countries that small often have a weaker kind of military. so they would have to be more FIA orientet as force than AAF with  max of some amphibious apc's maybe

 

And maybe a helicopter if they are  lucky (transport one tough)

 

I gues maybe like the phillippine army only even smaller

I'm gonna say that Tanoa's forces will be much more developed than the AAF. As per the backstory of Tanoa, it's a rich nation, with lots of industrial, civil, and military resources. Tanoa has relations to both east and west. So this all put together, would mean that Tanoa's force may be similar to say, Singapore, or Taiwan, or even Indonesia. But I highly doubt we're going to see something weaker than the AAF, which are pretty much poor.

[barbolani 198]

I'm gonna say that Tanoa's forces will be much more developed than the AAF. As per the backstory of Tanoa, it's a rich nation, with lots of industrial, civil, and military resources. Tanoa has relations to both east and west. So this all put together, would mean that Tanoa's force may be similar to say, Singapore, or Taiwan, or even Indonesia. But I highly doubt we're going to see something weaker than the AAF, which are pretty much poor.

 

poor? Tier 1 tanks? Drones? jet planes? poor?

 

Oh well yes, they don't have MRLS....

[kbbw123 115]

I'm gonna say that Tanoa's forces will be much more developed than the AAF. As per the backstory of Tanoa, it's a rich nation, with lots of industrial, civil, and military resources. Tanoa has relations to both east and west. So this all put together, would mean that Tanoa's force may be similar to say, Singapore, or Taiwan, or even Indonesia. But I highly doubt we're going to see something weaker than the AAF, which are pretty much poor.

 

see the point is a nation no matter how rich wil only have a army the size for that nation (look at luxembourg they are fricking rich but have a pretty smal army).

 

So even though they are rich yes, they will not have MBT's (there would be no use for them) they might have transport choppers with possible armnement Like some of the blackhawks and maybe amphibious IFVs/APCs

 

Ofcoarse they should also have patrol boats (seeing that next to ariplanes/helicopters boats are the primairy transportation way) but overall seeing how normal military works and how big Tanoa is (seeing the cities from the video you would think no more than like 10.000 - 15.000 people) it wouldn't suprise me if they have a self defence force (maybe even more a well developed police force) of roughly 400 man combat ready personal, around 200 reserves and 1000 man persoanl like egineers, medical personal, iters, officers, and other logistical departments. For a rich small nation like that expansive military force would only be for defence and even then it probebly won't be expansive as they would be more busy with tourist attractions, and what seems to be mining operations (spent alot of money to gain alot of money)

 

Which would also be a good reason why the setting is their as a underpowered but rich military force versus CSAT rescued by NATO would be more likely than CSAT attacks a nation with most modern armor and jets and choppers that is working together with NATO, cuz that might be very painfull for CSAT (I mean getting your arses kicked by a army that you should outnumber 10.000 to 1 <.<)

[drebin052 323]

poor? Tier 1 tanks? Drones? jet planes? poor?

 

Oh well yes, they don't have MRLS....

 

A lot of the equipment used by the AAF is implied to be inherited from their pre-civil war army when Altis was still a British colony (hence why they have Warrior IFVs for instance). The rest of the equipment like the Leopard tanks and Pandurs were either purchased "under-price from a South-European country facing economic collapse" or were donated to them by CSAT (and NATO before relations between with them got sour) like the Ababil and Stomper drones.

 

Limited in scope, the battalion-sized force, led by Col. Georgious Akhanteros, is weighed-down by on-going counter-insurgency operations on Altis and, recently, has reached-out to the international community for additional support including, among others, both the political and militarized wings of CSAT member states and associated private investment companies.

 

http://arma3.com/features/factions

 

 

So yes the AAF is considered to be "poor" in comparison.

[silentghoust 132]

I can imagine even the new native force being more specialized then the AAF. Who pretty much modeled after a traditional NATO force. I can imagine lots of specialized helicopters and boats but not so much in large heavy mechanized formations. Although I wouldn't like it, I can see BI logically keeping them down to a low key militia/police like force.

[CaptainAzimuth 714]

see the point is a nation no matter how rich wil only have a army the size for that nation (look at luxembourg they are fricking rich but have a pretty smal army).

So even though they are rich yes, they will not have MBT's (there would be no use for them) they might have transport choppers with possible armnement Like some of the blackhawks and maybe amphibious IFVs/APCs

Ofcoarse they should also have patrol boats (seeing that next to ariplanes/helicopters boats are the primairy transportation way) but overall seeing how normal military works and how big Tanoa is (seeing the cities from the video you would think no more than like 10.000 - 15.000 people) it wouldn't suprise me if they have a self defence force (maybe even more a well developed police force) of roughly 400 man combat ready personal, around 200 reserves and 1000 man persoanl like egineers, medical personal, iters, officers, and other logistical departments. For a rich small nation like that expansive military force would only be for defence and even then it probebly won't be expansive as they would be more busy with tourist attractions, and what seems to be mining operations (spent alot of money to gain alot of money)

Which would also be a good reason why the setting is their as a underpowered but rich military force versus CSAT rescued by NATO would be more likely than CSAT attacks a nation with most modern armor and jets and choppers that is working together with NATO, cuz that might be very painfull for CSAT (I mean getting your arses kicked by a army that you should outnumber 10.000 to 1 <.<)

I guess you have a point. Then again, if that were the case, I would hope to see Tanoa's defense force, as a Smart Army instead of a large one. Smaller numbers, sure, but if they have a variety of futuristic assets with modularity, I couldn't really complain. For example if they have an Amphibious Tank that looked like the PL-01, that would be quite interesting, or perhaps some stealthy patrol boats with decent armament because let's face it, tanks are a headache especially in wet terrains, much less a mix of Jungle and small islands. So maybe not a big force, but a well funded, and technologically advanced force, would be fitting, especially with the 2035 scenario. Would be much more interesting than the AAF which use mostly old and budget gear/assets. And also, they don't have to be working with NATO at first, or at all even. Remember, they have ties to both East and West, it can honestly go either way. Both NATO and CSAT are pretty advanced, so for a nation to have backing from both (like IRL), you would likely see a well trained or at least well developed/diverse make up.

[zukov 490]

i hope just a better voices actor in native language to be honest the CSAT voices are atrocious

[theevancat 277]

And remember that Tanoa is rich in rare earth minerals, so I suspect that they cal pull off the "small, rich country with a small but very developed military" card that Altis can't. What's in Altis? Beaches? Tourism won't pay for many shiny new guns. Oil or valuable minerals will.
 

[mistyronin 1181]

And remember that Tanoa is rich in rare earth minerals, so I suspect that they cal pull off the "small, rich country with a small but very developed military" card that Altis can't. What's in Altis? Beaches? Tourism won't pay for many shiny new guns. Oil or valuable minerals will.

At least nowadays, the resources of the Oceanic little countries tend to be exploited by Western companies, so the riches tend to go directly towards London & New York based companies, leaving few money to the origin. 

[somesangheili 111]

From 27-1-16 dev branch changelog:

Eden Editor

• Added subcategories for Arid, Jungle, Desert and Arctic Men

 

 

I haven't seen these subcategories on Eden yet (probably because these men have yet to be added), but it sounds to me like we're going to be getting many reskins of NATO and CSAT infantry for Apex

[kbbw123 115]

Both NATO and CSAT are pretty advanced, so for a nation to have backing from both (like IRL), you would likely see a well trained or at least well developed/diverse make up.

 

Those are some true words. But also don't forget AAF was also backed by both CSAT and NATO, while outdated gear they had proper gear (honestly the kuma is still a better tank than the slammer or T-100) But the forces itself where more like a....... you know what i mean. even with training from CSAT and NATO they still kinda lost to a smal guriilia faction purly because they thought to high and mighty about them self <.<

 

From 27-1-16 dev branch changelog:

 

I haven't seen these subcategories on Eden yet (probably because these men have yet to be added), but it sounds to me like we're going to be getting many reskins of NATO and CSAT infantry for Apex

 

NATO basicly allready has a WL camo in the game (just not used) it should fit rather wel in the jungle, and maybe CSAT uniforms wil look abit like the russian camo variant of their uniform also in the game.

[Alwarren 2767]

From 27-1-16 dev branch changelog:

I haven't seen these subcategories on Eden yet (probably because these men have yet to be added), but it sounds to me like we're going to be getting many reskins of NATO and CSAT infantry for Apex

I wouldn't put to much into these. They are predefined editor sub-categories and might be there just for community addons.

Send from my tablet, so pardon any autocorrect bollocks

[somesangheili 111]

I wouldn't put to much into these. They are predefined editor sub-categories and might be there just for community addons.

Send from my tablet, so pardon any autocorrect bollocks

Oh right, hadn't noticed that mods now only use vanilla categories in Eden

[mistyronin 1181]

Oh right, hadn't noticed that mods now only use vanilla categories in Eden

Not entirely true. 

Simply that Eden has a different category system that mods need to adapt to:

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Eden_Editor:_Object_Categorization

[graemeshute 218]

I suspect we will only get real information on Apex end of March. Perhaps even late April. It does go live Q2. Hope I am wrong.

 

Its likely going to be a steady roll out of updates for EDen. Mentioned sound updates and Shader improvements. I doubt we will get even posts on Dev Change log of any remotely related to Apex. Loose lips sink ships...

[Alwarren 2767]

Not entirely true.

Simply that Eden has a different category system that mods need to adapt to:

https://community.bistudio.com/wiki/Eden_Editor:_Object_Categorization

Yeah, and you can actually define your own categories (I did the stuff for CUP's infantry yesterday) so extra categories wouldn't strictly be needed, I still think the extra categories are for mods since there are quite a number of them.

Send from my tablet, so pardon any autocorrect bollocks

[broduz 71]

Or a disputed region. China loves to capture some islands nowadays.

or just make their own :P

[CaptainAzimuth 714]

I'm gonna go sad panda if we get re-textures, you woulda thought BI learned since their initial release window for the official game. But as per mention, those tweaks to Eden are likely categories for the community, and general organization.

On another note though, given that BI said we could expect more modern day gear to show up as content, I'm hoping for around 80-90% of it to be the best hardware showing up at Military Expo's as of the lastest. Would make for some amazing variety and an actual 2035 feel.

[kbbw123 115]

I'm gonna go sad panda if we get re-textures, you woulda thought BI learned since their initial release window for the official game. But as per mention, those tweaks to Eden are likely categories for the community, and general organization.

On another note though, given that BI said we could expect more modern day gear to show up as content, I'm hoping for around 80-90% of it to be the best hardware showing up at Military Expo's as of the lastest. Would make for some amazing variety and an actual 2035 feel.

Well I'm expecting the uniforms to be retextured though it plays at the sime time as the whole altis affear so it would be strange if NATO and CSAT had an entierly new uniform just for the pacific. I'm pretty sure that its just a woodland/jungle camo of both of those uniforms.

 

They will also keep most of their normal vehicle's i guess (would be a waste to just trow away the hunters because they got lsv'd right?).

 

So my speculation is new equipment but also retextures exsisting equipment (like in arma 2 and OA jwith the retextured M1's and MTVR's/Humvee's)

[CaptainAzimuth 714]

Well I'm expecting the uniforms to be retextured though it plays at the sime time as the whole altis affear so it would be strange if NATO and CSAT had an entierly new uniform just for the pacific. I'm pretty sure that its just a woodland/jungle camo of both of those uniforms.

 

They will also keep most of their normal vehicle's i guess (would be a waste to just trow away the hunters because they got lsv'd right?).

 

So my speculation is new equipment but also retextures exsisting equipment (like in arma 2 and OA jwith the retextured M1's and MTVR's/Humvee's)

Well, i'd go half and half. CSAT is a Coalition just like NATO. Thus, it is possible for two different uniforms to be at play, if different nations under that coalition are involved. Example being, Polish Forces, or Lithuanian forces under NATO don't have the exact same gear as US under NATO, do. Same would go for CSAT members. Russia, China, Iran, all have different uniforms, Iran, not having a Pacific, or even jungle specific force, thus another nation would have to take on that role, or Iran would have to custom develop tech to accompadate that role, which would be near impossible, no nation simply develops a force for a specific geography within a matter of days. But, you know you what i mean?

 

With vehicles, i can agree. Of course Hunters may recieve  Woodland treatent, as will the Marshall likley, unless it's a different branch of service of the US, or a different nation under NATO. However, in my opinion though, i think there should be less retextures, and more diversity in terms of geogrphical assets. It's an Expansion after all.

[Ranwer135 308]

Im guessing we will see some Tonal Tanoa Defence Forces as an independent force.

 

Most likely they could be insurgents holding up the usual village (which is most likely in the coming campaign).  :D

 

 

But remember:

 

Didn't the AAF flee from Altis, after the treaty collapsed at the end of the campaign?

[lone.wolf 80]

Funny everytime i see pic or trailer for Tanoa, it get the soundtrack/theme-song from Miami Vice in my head... :627:

 

We need a cool speedboat...

[chortles 263]

And maybe a helicopter if they are  lucky (transport one tough)I gues maybe like the phillippine army only even smaller

For perspective, I remember that before the AAF Reinforcements Pack added the Hellcat's light transport and attack capability (like CSAT's PO-30 Orca) previously the AAF had only the Mohawk for rotary wing, while the Kuma and Mora brought tracked armor to a previously all-wheeled ground force of trucks, the Strider MRAP, and the Gorgon IFV... but the FIA's purely motorized infantry other than the mortar and an assault boat.

yes but in this case would be a world war not a regional conflict,  i bet a CSAT forces with a some chinese equipment and a local militia with indonesian stuff

So even though they are rich yes, they will not have MBT's (there would be no use for them) they might have transport choppers with possible armnement Like some of the blackhawks and maybe amphibious IFVs/APCs

A neat way to go "modern" while not being M16s/AKs, just like how Arma 3 at initial announcement had BLUFOR F2000s and OPFOR Tavors before those were renamed and moved to INDFOR and FIA respectively...

I'd love to see some Chinese version of CSAT, with Chinese weapons & maybe even an amphibious IFV :)

I keep bringing up the Chinese Type 05 (ZBD-05) in this respect...

They will also keep most of their normal vehicle's i guess (would be a waste to just trow away the hunters because they got lsv'd right?).

I dunno, the LSVs are under a different gameplay niche than the MRAPs gameplay-wise, but the concept art designs in "Scanning the Horizon 2016" were subsequently stated to be NATO and CSAT's... no indication of how heavy on the ground a new INDFOR would max out at.