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I am Charlie. Je suis Charlie.

Stéphane Charbonnier, 47 yo, aka "charb", cartoonist and editing director of Charlie Hebdo.

Jean Cabut, 76 yo, aka "cabu" cartoonist.

Georges Wolinski, 80 yo, cartoonist.

Bernard Verlhac, 57 yo, aka "Tignous", cartoonist.

Philippe Honoré, 73 yo, aka "Honoré", cartoonist.

Bernard Maris, 68 yo, aka "Oncle Bernard", economist and shareholder of Charlie Hebdo.

Elsa Cayat, psychanalyst and chronicler.

Mustapha Ourrad, corrector.

Frédéric Boisseau, service agent.

Michel Renaud, invited.

Franck Brinsolaro, 49 yo, policeman.

Ahmed Merabet, 42 yo, policeman.

May they all Rest In Peace.

Edited by ProfTournesol

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Attacks on muslim institutions in France. A Mosque in Le Mans and a prayer room in Port-la-Nouvelle have been fired upon. An explosion occured near a Mosque in Villefranche-sur-Saône. No people were injured.

http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/frankreich-149.html

problem of west is that goverments due to politicall correctness were not reacting on islamistic violence in the past years, so people fed up with those acts start to react,

if you ever read news like Jihad Watch - such acts were repeating from time time in Europe - islmists cannot hold till all Infidels are dead

first they beaten someone for eating sandwich with ham, than someone was beaten for kissing on street, than someone was beaten for holding bottle of wine, than someone throw stones at one church, second church, third church...

do you expect people to be endlessly patient ?

no, patience ends

when your guest someone and he starts to demolish your home - you have enough

so people start to react (because governments were not reacting, they were putting all dirt under carpet thinking it is not visible) , i believe it will only raise,

this or next week another islamist will stab someone, maybe he will stab priest, maybe he will stab woman in bikini, maybe another shop selling ham will get threats ?

if you read non politically correct press - you would know that there were restaurants in london who were threatened for selling ham

people are fed up with islamic problems that came to Europe in last years, people are fed up with sharia-lovers who want to make sharia patrols , people start to defend Europe to be like Europe was in 90s, 80s

when i visited Italy May 2014, i seen so much things - i could not even imagine earlier (in the south, streets full of imigrants that came, not work, but roaming looking how to take your money)

noone who knew previous life - will agree with "changes" that came,

with changes that you cannot walk with dog to park cause "now it is sharia zone and dogs are not allowed"

noone who lived in secure area drinking wine inrestaurant with pizza with beacon will not agree on "no-go sharia zone" in his city,

what about those things:

how long natives woul tollerate it ? if you lived on their area you would be angry too, they lived peacefull for decades, till someone came and told "now you must obey me"

read more about rapes rate in Skandinavia - they almost had no rapes, now rapes rate is 4 or 5 times bigger and 90% of rapes is commited by few percent of imigrants from Africa or Middle East

read more about violence in Marsillie city , second French city which now is 30% or more Muslim, how it looks comparing to 90s

read about some undergae (13 yo) rapes in UK when defendent was saying in court "in my religion it is not sin" so it was line of defence in court

read about they wanted to ban Christmass tree in few cities,

Sharia patrol in London

we had terror acts in Europe in 2001 - did they were any lesson ? NO , 12 years later Sharia patrols start to appear,

politicall correctnes blocks truth - this truth is - we have problem in europe which is growing - some percent of newcomers wants turn us into middleages and they will fight to turn us to middleages, in one poll published by one newspaper from UK - 40% of Muslims wanted Sharia law to be state law, 60% didnt wanted, yes, but those 40% are able to take gun and force it, i was quoting this newspaper poll few times ,

2001 was not a lesson for Europeans, they are still blind and naive

you cannot hug lion - it will bite you

you can hug small cat, but not wild lion

Edited by vilas

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Looks like western media are quickly learning the lesson by censoring their front pages with images from Charlie Hebdo.

The Telegraph, NY Times, AP, ABC, CBS decided to use blur censoring upon images from Charlie. Political correctness or maybe these images are too hardcore for other countries standards?

It makes me wonder if other left-wing satirical magazines due to will abandon (or milden) muslim themed caricatures due to yesterday's event and will only focus on exploiting good old Christian themes?

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Our governments will surely try hard to do nothing again but recent events are just feeding all sorts of rightist movements.

PEGIDA is just one example and they will get more supporters after what happened yesterday.

I mean we had three attacks by radical mulsims in a short period of time, Australia, Russia and now France.

Its only a question of time when the next attack happens, maybe in Germany or Britain or Italy.

I wonder how long will it take till our governments start to do something. And what will they do?

Best start early until it gets too late and we get a NSDAP 2.0 somewhere.

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Our governments will surely try hard to do nothing again but recent events are just feeding all sorts of rightist movements.

PEGIDA is just one example and they will get more supporters after what happened yesterday.

I mean we had three attacks by radical mulsims in a short period of time, Australia, Russia and now France.

Its only a question of time when the next attack happens, maybe in Germany or Britain or Italy.

I wonder how long will it take till our governments start to do something. And what will they do?

Best start early until it gets too late and we get a NSDAP 2.0 somewhere.

So In Germany, a person who opposes immigration from Africa and muslimization of society is automatically called rightist and NPD sympathizer?

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So In Germany, a person who opposes immigration from Africa and muslimization of society is automatically called rightist and NPD sympathizer?

Yes to the first one.

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It seems the two killers of Charlie Hebdo staff are now surrounded by elite police forces.

The policewoman shot this morning is dead. The shooter is still being searched.

Edited by ProfTournesol

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Just to clarify Im not against some ideas of PEGIDA, but as any such movement it has a broad mass of different people ranging from honest people who want to defend their culture by peaceful ways to skinheads and other people who just hate all foreigners.

But its good that there is such a movement which can show the government that there is indeed a problem in their politics by standing against the mainstream propaganda.

As long as it remains civil of course.

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Yes to the first one.

Sound like a total primitivization and paranoia if someone can reduce a man to one term depending on his views on immigration, no matter on his actual political views on customs and economy.

No wonder that some Germans I met recently, were afraid to speak about politics and current direction of their country and that fear of being classified as "rightist" or conservative was far more powerful than anything else.

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Sound like a total primitivization and paranoia if someone can reduce a man to one term depending on his views on immigration, no matter on his actual political views on customs and economy.

No wonder that some Germans I met recently, were afraid to speak about politics and current direction of their country and that fear of being classified as "rightist" or conservative was far more powerful than anything else.

Yeah it has to do with the german history. the average german really wants to avoid beeing labeled as xenophobe or nazi.

That PEGIDA stuff is pure nonsense though. The movement is based in east Germany where the percentage of immigrants is so very low that most of the people marching with that movement propably only have seen a Muslim on TV before.

They want that foreigners who comitt a crime to get deported instead of jailed, but their leader is a criminal himself and was arrested multiple times.

The whole thing just reeks of pure stupidity, ignorance and double standards. Your everyday nazi stuff.

There certainly are problems with immigration in Germany, especially with muslims, mainly due to the fact that politics has ignored that topic for decades and has done nothing to make proper integration even possible. German citizens know that. The Muslim minority knows it too and isn´t happy about it either.

Movements like Pegida and the AFD try to get supporters by creating and adressing irrational fears.

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Breaking news on the BBC: 2 men armed with AKS & RPGs robbed a petrol station at Villers-Cotterets in the Aisnes region. Apparently still in the Clio they hi-jacked yesterday.

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but their leader is a criminal himself and was arrested multiple times.

The whole thing just reeks of pure stupidity, ignorance and double standards. Your everyday nazi stuff.s.

he is criminal ?

what he stolen ? robbery ? rape ? burglary ? drug dealing ?

or maybe ... hate speach ? or "offending court" (in Poland you can be sentenced for offending judge)

cause in some western countries criticizing minority may lead to sentence while real bandits who steal and rob are free , man who raped 13 years old girl is free - cause "his religion allow it", guy who would say that he is rapist - would get sentence for "hate speech" ? or maybe during "gender day" he didn't allow to dress his son in skirt and was sentenced for "hate crime" ?

what criminal acts this leader commited ? cause som of right-wing journalists have also sentences in Poland - for offending court, for offending dignity of commies etc. - we do not call them criminals than but victims of corrupted gov.

if guy robbed shop, burgled into someones flat, took property, drove 200 km/h in city being on drugs - than he is criminal

if someone just told that imigrants commit a lot of crimes - he simply says facts hidden from official newspapers,

maybe people in the East Germany simply are not washed with politically correct propaganda and they not afraid to say, people who grown in socialism know safe streets from past - something not all of you is familiar with if you've grown in dangerous areas

how big percent of imigrants asimilite with natives and use our tradition and values ? how many escape from Sharia country to create Sharia here ?

if they were escaping from Sharia - why the hell they not become atheists here drinking wine and eating beacon ? if i was escaping from religious regime - i would do all to not be religious in new place (because thats why someone escapes) or simply they want welthare /benefits from our taxes ? what is reason to escape from Middle East if you want set Sharia ? i know Arab guy who escaped from religious terror from Egypt - this guy was coptic christian , he escaped to be ALIVE here, without Sharia, his all property in Egypt was lost , guy escaped with his wife from Egypt to live normally like human in SECULAR state, now this guy likes to sunbath with wife cause in his country they would hang him for "adultery", i know a lot about Islam countries cause on Skype i have a guy who is native Egyptian who escaped from Egypt after "arab spring", also i heard a lot from several ISAF guys

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probably yes Sudayev, till next act, till another, till... till they all will be dead (i foresee civil war ca. 2030 in Europe, i even had a bet with friend for a bottle of wine, he said that west will throw away Muslims till 2025, i said Jihad will take over Europe and there will be civil war and blood bath because jihadists will enforce sharia and natives will uprise, our bet is set on October 2024, good bottle of wine, mine or his , what will be in Europe) ,

it was on shooting yard, there was guy who was gay but he was working nearby shooting club, also few ISAF guys were training there, once in coffe near shooting club there was chat:

i remember chat with our soldier and gay, soldier was wearing "infidel" patch on arm,

gay was saying to soldier "you are bad, you go to their land and shoot them, you are not tollerant to wear such patch on arm" , we laughed at him,

than soldier told to gay "you moron, if i was not shooting them, they would come and hang you, cause they hang every gay, do you realize what they are doing to gays"

than gay read some informations and next day he came to shooting yard to say sorry to this soldier and thanked him,

he realised - that his mouth full of tolleance would lead to situation , when he would introduce people who would hang him

west is at the stage of this gay - they think that tollarance should tolleate ALL , but there are danger groups - groups that want to kill us all , for them we are evil because we are not their followers, they have children and they raise those kids in religious way, not in secular way like we used to be ,

questions is - do we than unite with Russia as one block , i would foresee it too, Russia will be patriotic, probably than Russia will be our ally (what an irony) , world in 2025 may be so weird,

http://counterjihadreport.com/2012/07/17/how-political-correctness-is-transforming-british-education/

it is horrible , but it has one good point - we are males, than women would have to obey us - maybe it is not that bad, i would prefere to have 4 wives instead of one, more sex one cook dinner, other washes, i make love with third, and fourth is doing shoping would be awsome life 4 slave women

than maybe i would convert if i had 4 beauty chicks guaranted , i could make addons, they would cook, wash, do all (if not, i would beat them), sex 2 times daily, i remember Skype chat with one abroad guy from Middle East - i said "i must go, cause i have to clean dishes, my woman told me ", he started to laugh "if my woman told me to wash anything, i would shot her dead, it is her duty" , lol, so maybe i would convert to islam under such conditions (i will be old than, no girl would want me without forcing)

but what about beacon and wine i would miss redtube too imagine having 4 vaginas whenever i want is cool tho (ISIS is working that way - they kindap women and use them as promissed sexual toys for fighters, if you join, you get vagina award slave for yourself), i want 4 women but i am too ugly to pick up them and too poor to do it, so maybe in 2020... i will convert , buahahahahaha our feminists are too much demanding, they want handsome and rich boys - i am neither of those but i am sex addicted, so... and i hate wash dishes , Sudayev, do you like washing dishes (or at least handsome) + they cut hands from thieves (which i like) i cannot decide to fight with them in 2030 or to convert (depends who will offer more) , maybe i should stop criticize them and allow them to make order with our feminists , probably their model of family would suit better (i am born as male, i would prefer play FPS than wash dishes after every dinner made by my fiance, and it is really anoying to hear "not today, i am not in the mood" - such problems do not exist in Iran, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Pakistan) , yes, let them have it, west want it, let them have it, our females will never thank us for fight, they will say we are ugly and avoid sex, we should buy them new ring and wash dishes, Europe was so nice when it was conservative, woman was obeying, we could drink wine, dinner was prepared, dishes were washed, male could sit on sofa and read novel, instead of this... yesterday my woman told me she wants sleep and ... booo, nothing was happening in bed

Edited by vilas

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Well in fact the leader of PEGIDA Lutz Bachmann has commited theft and was caught with drugs several times, so he is a criminal.

He has even fled from justice to South Africa once so his whole argumentation against foreigners makes it more dubious.

And thats exactly whats bugging me about PEGIDA, while it has some valid arguments which I support, certain people including its own leader throw a bad light on the whole movement.

Back on topic:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11332467/Paris-shootings-lead-to-firebomb-attacks-on-French-mosques.html

Muslim places of worship in two French towns were fired upon overnight, leaving no casualties, prosecutors said on Thursday.

Three blank grenades were thrown at a mosque shortly after midnight in the city of Le Mans, west of Paris. A bullet hole was also found in a window of the mosque.

In the Port-la-Nouvelle district near Narbonne in southern France, several shots were fired in the direction of a Muslim prayer hall shortly after evening prayers. The hall was empty, the local prosecutor said.

An explosion at a kebab shop near a mosque in the eastern French town of Villefranche-sur-Saone on Thursday morning also left no casualties. Local prosecutors have described it as a "criminal act".

This is exactly what I was talking about. The mismanagement of our own politicians leads to the people losing patience and taking matters in their own hands, even if it is about stupid revenge for now.

Lets hope it wont come to clashes between muslim and non muslim communities.

i would prefere to have 4 wives instead of one, more sex one cook dinner, other washes, i make love with third, and fourth is doing shoping would be awsome life 4 slave women

And now imagine that you have to feed and buy occasional presents for 4 wives instead of just one and once they are in a bad mood you would wish youd be a monk somewhere in Tibet :D

Edited by negah

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a so he is criminal - maybe also football hooligan - a lot of football hooligans love to add "politics" to their activity, so if i will get 4 chicks - i can convert a little :D

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As Negah said, he is in fact a real criminal and, by his own definition, should be out of germany. He would never admit that of course because his whole agenda is simply to have German for the Germans. Edited by Tonci87

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Apparently, there are many incoherences in all this story ... stay tuned, it will start falling soon :D

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Please keep your conspiracy theories out of here, thanks.

+1 It's starting to be disturbing.

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Please keep your conspiracy theories out of here, thanks.

What if i start showing you some ?

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Of course you can be a disrespectfull dick if you want but you will most likely end on my ignore list and I think others here will join me in that.

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Of course you can be a disrespectfull dick if you want but you will most likely end on my ignore list and I think others here will join me in that.

Maybe some respect from you first ...

I PM'ed both of you.

---------- Post added at 20:27 ---------- Previous post was at 20:07 ----------

Ok it's time to gain the "Banned" achievement on this forum, going to join the rest :D

(No recoil , no blood and no body movement while shooting a damn AK)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4eJWBRFz_FA

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