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heh, our press do not lie or cover muslim crimes , we had some Chechens in Poland and they were trying to force sharia law on others, they later emigrated to Germany , but yes, we had muslim imigrants and they were beating others telling "people must respect them, it is against islam to wear short trousers" etc.  

they killed someone with knife , and if you defend them i would like to remind you for example that in Pakistan christian woman was sentenced to death for drinking water from well that belongs to muslim family, in Brunei wearing christmass Santa-Claus hat is punished by 5 years prison and one immam said before Christmass that wishing Marry Christmass is crime worse than murder , opposite to BBC and German press, our media do not hide it 

 

and emigration for work from my country is due to western corporations, banks and also bribery of previous "so modern, so european, so tollerant" governments which were acting like supermarkets and banks servants, all those "we must be tollerant" governments were bribed to the bone, selling all to corporations for penny and almost turned by country to colony , not almost, we were like colony, obeying what Merkel wants and cheap-labor camp painted in rainbow lgbt colors , all was done to please giving bribes western banks and corporations (and now EU defends previous government because they made us colony ), those people who love to use words "Europe, tollerance, multiculturalism, modern behaviour, gender" - are bribed, they are simply taking bribes to change laws the way so legal regulation fits what one or another German/French/British/American/Israeli bank or supermarket wants , they sold national energy sector to several German companies, they sold almost all , now in my city i have French/German/Portuguese shops, hard to find Polish shop in capital of Poland , hard to find bank which is Polish,  energy is Enea/Innogy/RWE etc. 

yes we can blame our previous governments - those who are now so beloved by Shultz, Merkel , Verhofstadt, Timmermans - they all say that "democracy ended" in Poland like in Hungary , lol, we have now more democracy than we had in past, we have freedom of speech and noone tries to sue anyone for "hate speech" etc. 

 

politicians are corrupted, they do not follow will of voters, they break promisses (main promiss of currently leading party was "not even single imigrant" "harsh punishments for criminals" etc. ) and they broke it and also say about "being European" but people protest and they resign from this new leftist bullshit , the problem with politicians is that they do not follow what voters want, they follow bribes, EU comission, UN etc. instead of following what voters want , this is real problem, they brought 3 milions Ukrainians here to work , they made 7% of minority in few years - this is problem - government which in 2015 won promising "Poland for Poles" brought us 3 milions of Ukrainians and according to EU stats (Eurostat) Poland took biggest number of immigrants in EU - opposing to what you believe, because we took 3 milions Ukrainians, 7% minority in 2 years suddenly appeared and this will be big problem because suddenly we have 7% of people who do not integrate (they marry with each other, their girls do not date with us, they work cheaper than us and we cannot find jobs because Ukrainian takes 70% of what we want , they are cheaper competition which we cannot hold on market because simply we start loosing jobs  - western supermarkets are happy, when you go to supermarket than majority of people putting goods on shelves are Ukrainians , when our young people look for first job during studying on universities they hear "but you want 3000 and Ukrainian will do it for 2000" ) so do not tell me about Poland homoetnicity because i live and i know that since 2 years it ended and hell knows how it will end  , when i go to shop asking "were is sugar" "where is tomato" i hear "не понымау" , 

when i travel by tram i often hear ukrainian/russian language , so your believe in ethically clean Poland is maybe from 2014 but now we have suddenly 7% of foreigners that appeared suddenly and it may lead to some kind of conflict (especially when they have now rights to welfare benefits, they say something about creating political party and right to vote, and they take our jobs, it is madness, someone came here year ago and demands right to vote and establish laws for me - born here and in Ukraine they praise Stephan Bandera - nazi criminal who was murdering Poles together with Waffen SS  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massacres_of_Poles_in_Volhynia_and_Eastern_Galicia ) 

 

https://www.tvp.info/39648522/eurostat-polska-przyjela-najwiecej-imigrantow-spoza-unii

 

so politicians break promisses and this is main problem

 

"brave progressive EU police"  arrest woman which goes with stroller :

https://niezalezna.pl/253732-niebywale-policja-zatrzymala-kobiete-z-wozkiem-tylko-dlatego-ze-miala-zolta-kamizelke

really "very dangerous criminal" for progressive tollerant Europe , lol , lonely woman with small kid is danger for EU , really "so progressive"  , really so "tollerant" EU-rope 

 

and meme for yellow vests:

https://demotywatory.pl/4841463/Jesli-twoja-pensja-wystarcza-tylko-na-mieszkanie-dojazd-do

"if your salary is spent only on your housing, commuting to work, and food - you ale slave - owner of slaves in past had to deliver those things (to their slaves in the past)"

 

you said you all have credit - when i checked volkswagen de website there is information that you have 1.9 % per year - so after 5 years you pay to bank 110% of price

 

we have 12%, after 5 years we pay 160% of price - it is difference,

now Poles go to Germany to buy fuel , cause in Germany fuel is cheaper than in Poland, while German earns 2000 euro , Pole earns 700 euro - difference too

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Notre Dame is burning...

 

 

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Looks very bad, spire has just collapsed. 😞

 

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Oh no.... What a tragedy

I was actually planning to visit the cathedral next month when I will be in Paris for a day. It is so sad that this majestic building is burning 😞

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Yes, I'm currently crying, heartbroken.

What a tragedy...

 

It seems to be an accident, but we gotta wait.

Last month, Saint Sulpice church was also burnt - and it was no accident.

 

900 years of History which just went into ashes in 2 hours.

 

Picture of a drone above Notre Dame

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The towers seem to be secured now though, but the firefighters will be on the deck all night.

2/3 of the roof is destroyed, the interior is gone...

Hopefully a few high  value relics have been saved.

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I adore gothic architecture, cathedrals in particular, all of them are so monumental symbols of faith and devotion to God, dozens of decades of work, a pinnacle of occidental civilization of Middle Ages telling to us more about people of that time than any notions about "dark" medieval period, such a beauty of stone and glass telling about the beauty of the spirit of its builders. Notre Dame perhaps the most symbolic. And it is severely damaged, a symbol in fire, also this fact seems symbolic per se, especially these times. What will you do with this, France? What will we do, Europe? Let's rebuild, what burned.

 

Indeed, I hope too, at least most valuable relics and treasures was saved. 

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The president of Poland: 

 

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I assure you that Poland is ready to take part in the European act of solidarity in the reconstruction of the destroyed temple of Notre Dame

 

 

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Damn... That's a real tragedy. 

How the hell had the fire started? Did anyone try to extinguish it at the start?

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Sadly, they say, as I read, cathedral can't be repaired, too vast damages. 

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37 minutes ago, Rydygier said:

Sadly, they say, as I read, cathedral can't be repaired, too vast damages. 

Where did you read that?

Cause it cannot be said right now.

We gotta wait 48hours to secure the site.

Then we'll be able to know.

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3 hours ago, spooky lynx said:

Damn... That's a real tragedy. 

How the hell had the fire started? Did anyone try to extinguish it at the start?

We dunno yet.

There was repair in progress.

Maybe something went wrong.

 

Pb is there was a first alert at 18h20 (Paris time) and no fire detected.

Then it started at 18h45/18h50.

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Where did you read that?

Cause it cannot be said right now.

We gotta wait 48hours to secure the site.

Then we'll be able to know.

 

 

Some random, Polish news reffering some preliminary suppositions by Emmanuel Gregoire (about vast damages) and firefighters spokesman (about likely no possibility to repair). It's in fact from yeterday evening. Nothing official/sure yet of course. 

 

https://wiadomosci.radiozet.pl/Swiat/Zniszczona-katedra-Notre-Dame.-Nie-da-sie-jej-uratowac

 

https://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwiadomosci.radiozet.pl%2FSwiat%2FZniszczona-katedra-Notre-Dame.-Nie-da-sie-jej-uratowac

 

Sounds too pesimistic to me, but I'm not a specialist. From the other hand, more, as I would think:

 

https://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.polskieradio24.pl%2F5%2F1223%2FArtykul%2F2295690%2CArchitekt-prof-Robert-Kunkel-po-pozarze-Notre-Dame-odbudowa-powinna-przebiegac-sprawnie

 

That sound more believeable, still just another supposition at this point. 

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1 hour ago, Rydygier said:

 

Some random, Polish news reffering some preliminary suppositions by Emmanuel Gregoire (about vast damages) and firefighters spokesman (about likely no possibility to repair). It's in fact from yeterday evening. Nothing official/sure yet of course. 

 

https://wiadomosci.radiozet.pl/Swiat/Zniszczona-katedra-Notre-Dame.-Nie-da-sie-jej-uratowac

 

https://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwiadomosci.radiozet.pl%2FSwiat%2FZniszczona-katedra-Notre-Dame.-Nie-da-sie-jej-uratowac

 

Sounds too pesimistic to me, but I'm not a specialist. From the other hand, more, as I would think:

 

https://translate.google.pl/translate?hl=pl&sl=pl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.polskieradio24.pl%2F5%2F1223%2FArtykul%2F2295690%2CArchitekt-prof-Robert-Kunkel-po-pozarze-Notre-Dame-odbudowa-powinna-przebiegac-sprawnie

 

That sound more believeable, still just another supposition at this point. 

 

Nah, I think there is a misunderstaning here:

 

it cannot be rebuilt just like it was before the fire.

But it can (and will) be rebuilt 😉

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23 hours ago, vilas said:

btw. it is half year when yellow vest protest in France and they are on and on beaten - "democracy" in EU

Protests in France are even longer than those in Venesuela. And they are supressed much harder that those in Caracas. So... Macrone seems to be more dictator than Maduro.

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On 5/9/2019 at 7:27 PM, spooky lynx said:

Protests in France are even longer than those in Venesuela. And they are supressed much harder that those in Caracas. So... Macrone seems to be more dictator than Maduro.

the problem with democracy is world wide not only EU, not only Russia, even in USA,

 

problem is following - politicians promise to do A, B, C before election, after election they do X, Y, Z,

angry people vote against them cause new politician promissed to put down X, Y, Z, and to do A, B , C and... guess, he does X ver 1.1, Y again, Z ver 2

 

what is democracy - voting, ruling of "will of people, will of majority"

 

and what is in fact ? all politicians seems like steered by small group of hiding behind scene banksters, financial managers of corporations, international lobbies that want something opposite that majority of society wants etc.

 

whole my life since graduating secondary school i lived in "democracy" and whole my life i observe the same:

- before election all politicians promise to make country stonger, more independent, smaller taxes - cause majority wants it,

- after election all politicians rise taxes, make country weaker and more international-depenend ,

- before elections all promis to do order with banksters (or majority of parties) and after election they invite bansters to come and rule

 

democracy in our globe is fake, people vote for those who promise A, B, C and later they do X, Y, Z

 

so there is no democracy if will of majority is ignored and only respected rules are rules of minority plus hiding behind scene lobbies like CEOs of big corporations, CEOs of banks , it is global problem i bet that also Putin made some promisses which later were opposite in making them etc. Trump promissed to his voters also some thing which never took place

 

we have problem with politicians across the globe

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2 hours ago, vilas said:

democracy in our globe is fake, people vote for those who promise A, B, C and later they do X, Y, Z

And what should they do when nowdays people don't have an alternative like socialist bloc? Sure thing they don't even think of tempering their appetite. If in 20's - late 80's politicians had to behave well because of the necessity to make political and economic systems good for average people due to competition with socialism, now they are free to do anything they want on pair with trans-national companies' CEOs. The power is transitting to the hands of those who have much money. All others are screwed.

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what should be done ? people should move their asses and demand to create law, law that tells if politician doesn't obey promisses from capaign - he is dismissed and gets punishment 

 

politician should be trated like our worker -we hire worker to paint our house, if he refuse or paints it other color - we fire him and do not pay him, 

the same should be with politician - if he promissed A but does X - he should be fired and pay compensation (loose of money he earned , confiscation of his property to limit of what he earned being in power)

 

also i believe that people should have guns and guaranted law to not loose it untill they commit criminal crime or are find insane mentally - every gov afraids of armed citizen , 

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4 hours ago, vilas said:

what should be done ?

Without an alternative to current capitalist economical and political system - nothing.

 

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