France General

[sudayev 27]

First turn of Regional Elections in France won by National Front! South and Bretagne votes for Socialists. French voters say NO to previous politics. Second turn in December. 

 

http://www.francetvinfo.fr/elections/regionales/carte-elections-regionales-quel-parti-est-arrive-en-tete-dans-votre-commune_1209395.html(detailed map)

 

exit polls

1) National Front 30,6%

2) Rebublicans (Sarkozy) 27%

3) Socialists (Hollande) 22,7%

[sudayev 27]

After Paris Attacks, Proposed French Law Would Block Tor and Forbid Free Wi-Fi

 

 

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/after-paris-attacks-proposed-french-law-would-block-tor-and-forbid-free-wi-fi

[vilas 477]

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/after-paris-attacks-proposed-french-law-would-block-tor-and-forbid-free-wi-fi

 

it goes to Year 1984 as i say, more and more control over citizen because someone pushes jihadists here

[ProfTournesol 956]

First turn of Regional Elections in France won by National Front! South and Bretagne votes for Socialists. French voters say NO to previous politics. Second turn in December. 

 

http://www.francetvinfo.fr/elections/regionales/carte-elections-regionales-quel-parti-est-arrive-en-tete-dans-votre-commune_1209395.html(detailed map)

 

exit polls

1) National Front 30,6%

2) Rebublicans (Sarkozy) 27%

3) Socialists (Hollande) 22,7%

 

Simple people think complex problems need simple solutions. Look, a fire, let's pour water on it. Shit, that was ignited oil...  :computer:

[St. Jimmy 272]

http://motherboard.vice.com/read/after-paris-attacks-proposed-french-law-would-block-tor-and-forbid-free-wi-fi

Ah good old politics. How about not letting ISIS guys inside the borders :rolleyes: Law proposers are generally so freaking stupid people.

[oxmox 73]

A new terror attack in France ?

 

'30 dead' after truck crashes into crowd at Bastille Day celebrations in Nice 'terror attack'

 

* Reports on French tv that the driver of the truck was shot dead by police.

 

* French tv states up to 30 people have been killed. (up to 100 injured)

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07/14/truck-crashes-into-crowd-at-bastille-day-celebrations-in-nice2/

[Wiki 1558]

- At least 60 dead people

-At least 100 injured people

-Driver been shot dead

-34 tons truck was driven on 2 kilometers (at least) in the crowd

-people were crowded to watch the fireworks

-Probably isis

-some gunshots fired / heard (to be confirmed)

 

So far, here is what we know.

 

Post updated

[mistyronin 1181]

European countries (and perhaps the rest of the world) needs to cease bringing in Muslim refugees.

Who do you think are they escaping from??? Precisely those refugees are mostly people that are suffering day by day attacks like the one from Nice by groups like IS. 

In any case. A terribly awful event. All my support to my fellow mates from France. Be strong. 

[ProfTournesol 956]

Crushing families watching a firework. F**ing cowards.

[nodunit 397]

Do you think ISIS and other terror groups exploit the refugee crisis to make way into countries?

This is a terrible event, and it will continue to happen until people address the problem and stop the idiotic liberal agenda.

 

Build guarded safe zones in those countries where refugees can receive the supplies they need.

They would be wasting a massive opportunity to not do so, you have the opportunity to visit the homelands of your enemies with them opening their arms to you, and then they will not punish you for your actions based on your ethnicity (see cologne aftermath).

Furthermore the "war on terror" has been ongoing for over a decade now, that is enough time for people who have lost loved ones to have grown up and want revenge, that is enough time for mind warped and brain washed peoples to be of age to do something about it, and you couldn't ask for a better opportunity.

Being humanitarian and trying do good is a noble cause but the road to hell is paved with good intentions, one way or another something is going to snap.  Either the attacks are going to get worse or the public is going to get fed up with the lack of action from authorities and take matters into their own hands.  

[zooloo75 834]

They would be wasting a massive opportunity to not do so, you have the opportunity to visit the homelands of your enemies with them opening their arms to you, and then they will not punish you for your actions based on your ethnicity (see cologne aftermath).

Furthermore the "war on terror" has been ongoing for over a decade now, that is enough time for people who have lost loved ones to have grown up and want revenge, that is enough time for mind warped and brain washed peoples to be of age to do something about it, and you couldn't ask for a better opportunity.

Being humanitarian and trying do good is a noble cause but the road to hell is paved with good intentions, one way or another something is going to snap.  Either the attacks are going to get worse or the public is going to get fed up with the lack of action from authorities and take matters into their own hands.  

 

Exactly. My whole life, since I was a child (born 1995), I've seen Islamic terror attacks constantly reported, plaguing the world. When will it end? When will people see that Islam is not a "religion of peace?" The world is backasswards now.

 

Islam is at war with the world, and people are blind to that.

 

Let's not forget:

[mistyronin 1181]

Exactly. My whole life, since I was a child (born 1995), I've seen Islamic terror attacks constantly reported, plaguing the world. When will it end? When will people see that Islam is not a "religion of peace?" The world is backasswards now.

I was born some years before, and I was used to ultra-catholic terrorism, then it was socialist terrorism, and lately Islamist. 

Been in many of the scenarios of terrorist attacks, I was for instance in Madrid in 2004, just a couple days after the deadliest attack in the EU ever (my gf lived there, and she was to take one of the bombed trains, but switched to a bus). I had been armed patrolling all-nighters after attacks. 

And after reading all these messages of racism and xenophobia, its sickens me. That you hate and fear Muslims, is precisely the main goal of those terrorist, and you seem to have fallen to it. 

Heck most of these attacks you quoted were committed by EU citizens, raised and born in the EU, not refugees. Millions of refugees vs a handful of terrorist. If people start attacking the millions of Muslims that live among us, then we'll be in real trouble, because the more you hate, the more terrorist you create. Which is precisely what these S.O.B terrorist want. 

Seriously open your eyes. And see who are the attackers and what's their real agenda. 

[nodunit 397]

"Terror" comes in many forms even from the so called "Good guys", but terror only get worse when it is ignored.   
I am of course an outsider so I don't have all the facts but from what I've been seeing the biggest plausible cause for this "xenophobia" is due to a lack of discipline.
 
I've read about and watched many videos regarding various attacks but there usually seems to be a special treatment, for example in wake of the cologne attacks the majority of perps were identified as muslim or african but the media accused everyone of being racist if they had these beliefs.  There have been some reports of people, politicians even, not speaking up because of the ethnicity, and furthermore they even went a step further by trying to push the fault onto German men, saying "they rape too" and ignoring the taharrush.

Is it all Muslims?  Nah, but sticking our fingers in our ears and pretending that there is nothing coming from this ethnicity certainly isn't going to help anything, if anything it will only make everything worse.

[mistyronin 1181]

I've read about and watched many videos regarding various attacks but there usually seems to be a special treatment, for example in wake of the cologne attacks the majority of perps were identified as muslim or african but the media accused everyone of being racist if they had these beliefs.  There have been some reports of people, politicians even, not speaking up because of the ethnicity, and furthermore they even went a step further by trying to push the fault onto German men, saying "they rape too" and ignoring the taharrush.

Do you realise how many hundreds of millions of Muslims live in the World, and how it's only few thousand sick people who committed those attacks? 

Those terrorist groups and the criminals are the ones that should be eradicated; not faiths, ideologies or ethnicities that are composed by millions of people. 

As I told you, in my life I experienced the direct threat of ultra catholic extremist, socialist extremist and Muslim extremist. Heck even a group that defended some ideals I praise, but they wanted to achieve them with criminal and sick acts. Should I then hate all my country-men, all the Catholics, all the socialist? 

[zooloo75 834]

I was born some years before, and I was used to ultra-catholic terrorism, then it was socialist terrorism, and lately Islamist. 

Been in many of the scenarios of terrorist attacks, I was for instance in Madrid in 2004, just a couple days after the deadliest attack in the EU ever (my gf lived there, and she was to take one of the bombed trains, but switched to a bus). I had been armed patrolling all-nighters after attacks. 

And after reading all these messages of racism and xenophobia, its sickens me. That you hate and fear Muslims, is precisely the main goal of those terrorist, and you seem to have fallen to it. 

Heck most of these attacks you quoted were committed by EU citizens, raised and born in the EU, not refugees. Millions of refugees vs a handful of terrorist. If people start attacking the millions of Muslims that live among us, then we'll be in real trouble, because the more you hate, the more terrorist you create. Which is precisely what these S.O.B terrorist want. 

Seriously open your eyes. And see who are the attackers and what's their real agenda. 

 

Did you just accuse me of racism and xenophobia for wanting to prevent refugees who come from regions where ISIS and other terror groups originate from and exploit these processes from entering our countries? Muslim is not a race. I disagree with Islam, like many religions. Pulling the xenophobia/race card is typical. With your argument, why do Islamic terrorists want us to hate all Muslims (which I already stated, I don't). They want to wage war and recruit as many people as possible to join their side. What are we to do? Sit back and just take the attacks and the blatant threat to Western life as we know it, all for the sake of being humanitarians?

 

I'm not against the actual people who are refugees that are legitimately in need of help, I am against the immigration which is being exploited by these terrorist groups. By all means, help out the actual refugees, but don't put the entire nation(s) at risk just to do so.

[nodunit 397]

Do you realise how many hundreds of millions of Muslims live in the World, and how it's only few thousand sick people who committed those attacks? 

Those terrorist groups and the criminals are the ones that should be eradicated; not faiths, ideologies or ethnicities that are composed by millions of people. 

As I told you, in my life I experienced the direct threat of ultra catholic extremist, socialist extremist and Muslim extremist. Heck even a group that defended some ideals I praise, but they wanted to achieve them with criminal and sick acts. Should I then hate all my country-men, all the Catholics, all the socialist?

Yes it only takes a few people to ruin it for everyone, especially when given special treatment and thats my point.  

I'm not saying we should commit genocide, I'm not saying everyone should be deported, and I'm not saying we should go to war. 

Fighting to stop bloodshed through violence rarely works and the war on terror did the exact opposite what it was "supposed" to do.

What I am saying is people need to stop plugging their ears, what should be done is breaking it down to somple terms...did X commit crime?  If yes then punish them as you would your own, don't instead turn around and label people wanting the punishment of a criminal as being "xenophobic" or "racist" just because this person just so happens to belong a particular ethnicity.

[mistyronin 1181]

What I am saying is people need to stop plugging their ears, what should be done is breaking it down to somple terms...did X commit crime?  If yes then punish them as you would your own, don't instead turn around and label people wanting the punishment of a criminal as being "xenophobic" or "racist" just because this person just so happens to belong a particular ethnicity.

I agree. That was my point. Criminals are those who should be prosecuted. Not ethnicity, ideologies, faiths, etc. Irrational hate against groups of people, is precisely what those terrorist aim to provoke. 

But never seen in the EU better treatment to any criminal due to their ethnicity, faith, whatever (well with the exception of some right-wing fascists linked to former police officers).  

Heck today, 14th of July, Bastille day is meant to celebrate the values of the French Republic (and the free democratic World by extension): Liberty, Equality and Fraternity among people from all creeds, ethnicities, origins, etc. That's precisely what the terrorist wanted to attack. 

[ProfTournesol 956]

84 dead so far, with many kids and babies. I'm devastated once again.

[R0adki11 3949]

I can appreciate members of the forum want to express their opinions on this recent terrible event. But please do so within the rules of this forum.

[Wiki 1558]

You wrong you know.

In France, we don't have any problem with asian people / asian community.

There is no pb with them.

[kavoven 4]

Did you just accuse me of racism and xenophobia for wanting to prevent refugees who come from regions where ISIS and other terror groups originate from and exploit these processes from entering our countries? Muslim is not a race. I disagree with Islam, like many religions. Pulling the xenophobia/race card is typical. With your argument, why do Islamic terrorists want us to hate all Muslims (which I already stated, I don't). They want to wage war and recruit as many people as possible to join their side. What are we to do? Sit back and just take the attacks and the blatant threat to Western life as we know it, all for the sake of being humanitarians?

 

I'm not against the actual people who are refugees that are legitimately in need of help, I am against the immigration which is being exploited by these terrorist groups. By all means, help out the actual refugees, but don't put the entire nation(s) at risk just to do so.

 

You actually do realize that we would be creating a much stronger base for ISIS for recruting young adults if we would just say "close the borders, let those people drown in the ocean". Poverty and unemployment are exactly those things that drive people in the hands of ISIS.

 

Moreover, you do realize that the terrorist from today was not a refugee? https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/15/bastille-day-truck-attack-what-we-know-so-far

 

 

 

French police sources have told AP and French media that identity papers found alongside the attacker belonged to a 31-year-old Frenchman of Tunisian descent who was known to police, but not for terrorist-related activity. The Paris prosecutor’s office, which is leading the investigation, has declined to comment.

Edited July 15, 2016 by kavoven

[ProfTournesol 956]

In fact he isn't French but Tunisian with residence permit, but he cannot be considered as a refugee, moreover he wasn't religious.

 

He's most probably another brainwashed guy who thinks he can redeem himself by killing innocent people. Horrendously pathetic.

[mistyronin 1181]

In any case, seems that insanity claimed another record in Europe. It's the attack were a single guy killed most people (more than the Norwegian ultra-christian Breivik). And the death-toll is close to surpass the Bologna Nuclei Armati Rivoluzionari neo-fascist attack of 1980, that killed 85.

Hence it would become the 3rd most deadly terrorist attack in the EU in its history (After Madrid and Paris). And perpetraded by a single madman with a rented truck.

[oxmox 73]

 

Eyewitnesses telling their shocking stories

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2016/jul/15/bastille-day-attack-witness-a-truck-smashed-into-everyone-everyone-video

[ineptaphid 6413]

Okay folks, i know this is obviously a terrible thing to have to witness and to discuss here-and I am pleased to see a lot of rational and constructive discussion here. This is just a reminder to please keep it that way. Do not allow this to turn into a thread full of rascist or intolerant ramblings or for spouting blame and personal ideologies.

 

Our thoughts are with the French people on yet  another dark day for their country.

 

Fada beo an Fhrainc.Táimid ag smaoineamh ar tú.