Russia General

[Sub-Human 10]

(Russian) Russian MVD are preparing for Maidan

Across the entire territory of Russia (from Crimea to Vladivostok) the interior MVD forces took part in a mass training exercise (2-10 April) that simulate 'the recent events in a neighbouring country' - down to burning tires and protesters throwing heavy objects at the military.

[mistyronin 1181]

Across the entire territory of Russia (from Crimea to Vladivostok) the interior MVD forces took part in a mass training exercise (2-10 April) that simulate 'the recent events in a neighbouring country' - down to burning tires and protesters throwing heavy objects at the military.

It's never been hidden that what Putin fears the most is an internal massive protest against his authoritarian power, like Maidan.

In fact it's what all dictators and authoritarian figures fear the most.

That's the reason of all the anti-separatist laws in Russia, and all the recent censorship laws.

Edited April 9, 2015 by MistyRonin

[Dwarden 1125]

also don't forget the anti-NGO law(s)

[vilas 477]

with such high support he would win any election so there is no Maidan threat in Russia , cause they would not win elections

[sudayev 27]

Opposition is strictly controlled by the regime and is NEEDED by them to show how Russia democratic is, not to mention opposition structures are well monitored by FSB agents and other secretive agendas. Putin plays nice when it's needed just like Putin boasts how Russia follow international laws and regulation - when it's needed. He is so good at this game that many politicians (especially in Poland by the members of ruling party loyal to Berlin and Brussels) became fooled by that and actually believed that Putin is a true democrat only surrounded by "hawks" who radicalise him. It was embarrassing for these politicians how they changed their rhetoric after Putin shown his real face in last year, some of them were deep in the ass like shortsighted president Komorowski who said that after annexation of Crimea there will be no aggressive movements and takeovers from Russia.

Edited April 9, 2015 by Sudayev

[oxmox 73]

Lithuania to ban Russian TV channel for 'warmongering'

Lithuania plans to take Russian-language station RTR Planeta off the air for three months for spreading Kremlin "propaganda." The Ukraine crisis has rekindled fears of Russia expanding its influence in the Baltic.

Lithuania's media regulator suspended RTR Planeta for "inciting discord, warmongering, spreading biased information," spokeswoman Birute Kersiene said.

--> Concerns over freedom of information

Lithuania is a member of both the EU and NATO, and is a strong supporter of Ukraine in the current crisis between Kyiv and the Kremlin.

Russians make up only six percent of Lithuania's population, compared to one-quarter in Estonia and Latvia. However, Vilnius was among the most vocal in condemning the alleged disinformation campaign by Moscow.

At the same time, some critics claim that banning RTR Planeta could undermine freedom of speech.

Satellites beyond government's reach

In the past, the commission has banned certain Russian programs from being rebroadcast in Lithuania, including those on RTR Planeta. However, the Wednesday ruling is the first time it ordered a TV station off the air.

http://www.dw.de/lithuania-to-ban-russian-tv-channel-for-warmongering/a-18370852

Is Lithuania as an EU member really eager to the join the Club of press censorships ..........?

Edited April 9, 2015 by oxmox

[mistyronin 1181]

Is Lithuania as an EU member really eager to the join the Club of press censorships ..........?

WTF, this is one of the stupidest acts the Lithuanian Gov could take.

We all know that the Kremlin is spreading their bullshit propaganda and lies around in their channels, but banning them, just gives the lies more strength and makes them seem like if they want to hide something.

Unacceptable for a EU country.

(Reuters) Lithuania bans Russian TV station over 'lies'

[vilas 477]

Lithuania must prevent from for example subliminal propaganda that can cause disinformation and violence in Lithuania

Unacceptable for a EU country.

the same as life sentence , than they release pedophile after 4 years, he kills another, etc. etc. etc.

the same with guarantee of right of those who want to forbid others because of Sharia etc. etc.etc.

of course if Lithuanian intel found there are violent against Lithuania things, they have to eliminate it

the only unacceptable thing is - that west guaranted Ukraine its safety after Ukraine gave up atomic weapons, now when Ukraine is in deep shit, they do nothing and their business avoids embargos

Ukraine was betrayed like my country in 1939, now Lithuania knows about it and they have to avoid subliminal propaganda in Russian tv (i know person from my family who watches Russian tv on and on and and that person talks such bullshits that it is unimaginable, she became very violent etc. she lives in Poland but she lives in "different reality" talking all time about Bandera fasicsts that will come to kill us)

blocking informations which are true is wrong

blocking lies is good

now imagine that i am setting TV in which i say all time about Finland making holocaust calling others to attack Finland ? what would you do ? i gave such metaphore cause maybe such you would understand

lies can be very dangerous , such informations as shown by BBC (when BBC journalist spoken to Russian journalist,and Russian journalist confessed he lied and informations about Ukrainian soldiers killing 10 years old girl was fake for Russian TV) show that lies must be stoped to not cause problem here , just like we try to stop holocaust deniers with punishment (in PL and other countries holocaust deny is crime )

now we should not allow to spread lies like Russian tv fakes in our countries, cause than part of our citizens would say "hey, but i seen information that ..." and turn victim into opressor and opressor into victim

we must balance safety and freedoms

if you block nazi tv stations why not block tv stations showing fake informations (which can cause public disorder in Lithuania as part of hybrid war)

do not look at Russian media as media, look at them as part of hybrid war machine

our media also lie - i agree, our media do brainwash for sake of big international corporations, nwo, polit. corr, gender and etc.

but if Russian tv deny obvious things and prepares fakes (like prescribed by BBC few days ago) than it should be baned before it will make harm (cause they can prepare fake that for example Ukrainians now cut people by half and release coins with A Hitler)

such misinformations are very very poisoning (you have similar case in USA where according to polls some students believe that Nazis in WW2 were Poles not Germans and death camps were Polish not German)

you must always consider less evil and bigger evil

you cannot set freedom of pedophile over safety of kids

you cannot set freedom of jihadists over our safety

you cannot set freedom of cheaters and frauds over true information especially when such misinformation among local Russian minority may lead to another Donbas in Lithuania, cause this is what Putin wants - to make now the same in Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Naddnestrya, etc. and rebuild Russian Empire from XIX century

for a lot of tensions there in Ukraine there is resposible Russian propaganda machine (showing Ukrainian "crimes" that not happened in real life and making believe Russians that "all west lies, there are no Russian tanks in Ukraine")

Edited April 10, 2015 by vilas

[Rydygier 1317]

We all know that the Kremlin is spreading their bullshit propaganda and lies around in their channels

Not all, as we could see on own eyes here. Russian/any such propaganda is effective and working. Seem reasonable to recognize it as dangerous destabilizing weapon used against the country. Even, if only 6% of Lithuania population are Russians (just wondering, what other Baltic States think about this...). Not sure, if way, they are trying to prevent this is optimal one, or if will be effective at all, but reasonable is doing something about while not easy to point better solution.

Freedom of speech isn't some holy&highest, unconditional dogma. It's good as long it serve to the benefit of the people, should end, where one uses it to harm other people. It's not easy to find the right balance. If overdosed, treated as a dogma, freedom of speech paradoxically in result become twisted, self-contradictory and kills itself one way or another.

Unacceptable for a EU country.

BTW I wouldn't take too seriously whole this EU thingy. It's not even about its persistent flaws, which are separate topic, it's about questionable unity. Solidarity of EU countries is very conditional, based on egoism, working only as long members see own interest in it. Hungary, Greece, even Germany... Russia have pretty wide field of maneuver in its attempts to divide EU and IMO, if would try long/hard enough, will succeed. Same to the extend is even for NATO. I would remind, 5th Article of NATO Pact is not very precise as for scale and measures of reaction and in fact requires full unanimity to make NATO act as the NATO, so not that hard to prevent or at least delay its effective execution.

the only unacceptable thing is - that west guaranted Ukraine its safety after Ukraine gave up atomic weapons, now when Ukraine is in deep shit, they do nothing and their business avoids embargos

Ukraine was betrayed like my country in 1939

Yep, that's how much worthy is given word in politics, if not followed by $. Thus countries, that has to count on allies, should if only possible keep such ally actually interested in defending them. If not possible - have screwed, alliances or not.

[mistyronin 1181]

It simple Vilas, if we start behaving like Putin's Russia (attacking people's freedom, censoring, invading, annexing etc.), we'll become like it.

In fact forbidding Russian propaganda, will make that some Lithuanians think that the Lithuanian Gov is hiding something from them.

It always happen, when you forbid an information, you automatically make it more attractive to everyone.

[vilas 477]

It simple Vilas, if we start behaving like Putin's Russia (attacking people's freedom, censoring, invading, annexing etc.), we'll become like it.

and i will repeat again - if you allow freedom to behead for jihadists - you will be beheaded and you can put on your grave tombstone "beneath this stone sleeps moral high" ,

but you will be dead and jihadist will win

this is metaphore that you can spread outside of jihad and in other areas

in 1938 some thought that Hitler will stop on Austria and Czech, later milions of people went trough chimneys

we must fight enemy with his weapons too - it is not fight to be moral high, it is fight to win or die

the main goal on war (when you are attacked) is not "to not to be like them" but to destroy "them" (threat, danger, enemy) and win having profits (safety of your land for example)

and when you talk about anexaton what western corporations, banks do on my soil ?

Edited April 10, 2015 by vilas

[Rydygier 1317]

It simple Vilas, if we start behaving like Putin's Russia (attacking people's freedom, censoring, invading, annexing etc.), we'll become like it.

A bit more complex IMHO. In this form it's like saying "Putin uses military force. If we do same, we'll be like him.". No. It depends what measure we will use for what purpose. Propaganda itself, as social "tool" is interesting case here. Two aspects: contents and way of communication it. One can use propaganda method for spreading lies or the truth. What's wrong about spreading the truth? Well, there is the second aspect. Telling the truth to people is usually good thing. But would we say same about manipulating people's psyche, so they believe in truth injected to their minds such way? I don't think so, its against basic human dignity. But then, measures not right during peace we may be forced to use at time of war to defend ourselves. Similar is with such censorship. So question is, how we would assess Russia's propaganda action toward Lithuania? As peaceful act of freedom or on the contrary - "mental aggression" against the freedom? If the latter, how such assessment would affect our thinking about limiting our own freedom to prevent that aggression, which is normal thing during the war.

Either way we answer, indeed, Russia may use such countermeasures as fuel for more propaganda. But so what? They may and would use anything anyway, so we shouldn't be paralyzed by perspective of using by their propaganda any of our action.

[oxmox 73]

Russia’s Su -27 fighter jet forced US spy plane to alter course - Defence Ministry

US reconnaissance plane RC-135U was heading towards Russia’s state border and Russian Su-27 fighter jet made it change its course, the Russian Defense Ministry’s official spokesman told reporters on Saturday.

The Su-27 fighter jet approached the unknown plane and flew around it several times and identified it as the RC-135U reconnaissance plane of the US Air Force and reported to the command about the incident, he said.

The US plane changed its course and flew away from the Russian border, Konashenkov said. He stressed that during the spy plane’s flight the transponder was turned off.

"As for the assessment of professional qualities of our pilots, this is up to the Russian command. And US reconnaissance planes can perform routine flights only along the US borders," he added.

The Pentagon earlier claimed that the RC-135U was performing a routine flight in the international airspace on April 7 when it was intercepted by Russia’s Su-27 in an "unsafe and unprofessional manner."

http://tass.ru/en/russia/788666

http://www.focus.de/politik/ausland/ruecksichtlos-leben-riskiert-russischer-kampfjet-kollidiert-fast-mit-us-spionageflugzeug_id_4604096.html

[sudayev 27]

Russia outlaws memes showing public figures in ways that contrast their ‘personality’

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/russia-outlaws-misleading-internet-memes-article-1.2181177

Russia has taken its radical restrictions on freedom of expression to the next level by banning memes. Wonder what's next, an icon with "gosudar" Putin in every russian home...

[spooky lynx 73]

It simple Vilas, if we start behaving like Putin's Russia (attacking people's freedom, censoring, invading, annexing etc.), we'll become like it.

Just look at recent Dolce and Gabbana reply about kids and furious anger from LGBT crew as a result. Ze west is already attacking people's freedom, censors, but does it in softer and smarter way. As for invasion - oh yes, let me just remind a number of Latin American, Middle East and Balkan countries that were democratised by palladins of freedom.

[nodunit 397]

Russia outlaws memes showing public figures in ways that contrast their ‘personality’

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/russia-outlaws-misleading-internet-memes-article-1.2181177

Russia has taken its radical restrictions on freedom of expression to the next level by banning memes. Wonder what's next, an icon with "gosudar" Putin in every russian home...

Just when you think politicians can't waste more time on the most rediculous of things...apparently this is what supposedly started it.

http://www.vocativ.com/world/russia/the-unusual-case-that-led-to-russias-new-meme-ban/?PageSpeed=noscript

http://nevnov.ru/politics/sud-obyazal-lurkmore-udalit-skandalnyj-mem-bbpe-s-syutkinym/

Bunch of old men with no sense of humor that take their images way too seriously.

Edited April 11, 2015 by NodUnit

[spooky lynx 73]

Just when you think politicians can't waste more time on the most rediculous of things...apparently this is what supposedly started it.

http://www.vocativ.com/world/russia/the-unusual-case-that-led-to-russias-new-meme-ban/?PageSpeed=noscript

Bunch of old men with no sense of humor.

Ehm... Why is it connected with politicians if it's one lawsuit from the singer?

From one side - yes, we would lose some fun if any calabrity will perform the lawsuit similar to Syutkin.

From other side - that's just privacy protection, nothing more. Oh and if a person whose photo is used has nothing against it - nobody will give a shyte and remove anything.

[Tonci87 163]

Ss, caricatures are now banned in Russia....ok :j:

[spooky lynx 73]

Ss, caricatures are now banned in Russia....ok :j:

Please re-read the source and find any word about banning caricatures, mr. russophobe.

[mistyronin 1181]

Please re-read the source and find any word about banning caricatures, mr. russophobe.

You know that Putin is not Russia right?

Hating an authoritarian figure and it's policies doesn't make you hate the poor citizens that have to bear him.

In fact Putin is Russia's main enemy. He's doing his best to destroy Russia, and abuse its citizens.

Edited April 12, 2015 by MistyRonin

[Tonci87 163]

Please re-read the source and find any word about banning caricatures, mr. russophobe.

Well what are memes about politicians if not (modern) caricatures?

[vilas 477]

critics of Putin is rusophobia in eyes of Russians, nice,

they really believe that Putin is their father -leader

edit:

i have spend today some time on Youtube to watch Russian clips from media

general feeling is they inform that USA and Nato want to invade Russia and presence of Nato forces in Nato countries (Baltic) they call a preparation to invade poor Russia

atmosphere in Russian comments are rather paranoic, their propaganda washed them totally

Putin is Russia, Baltic states want to invade Russia, presence of Russian troops at Latvian border okay, presence of NATO forces in NATO Latvia is almost attack on Russia etc. etc. etc.

Edited April 12, 2015 by vilas

[Sub-Human 10]

Please re-read the source and find any word about banning caricatures, mr. russophobe.

Caricatures have been de-facto banned in Russia even since Charlie Hebdo. Russian politicians believe 'offending the views of religious' is unacceptable. For example,

http://tass.ru/kultura/1893855

Russian adaption of Tannhauser has been banned from a theater, apparently for offending the views of Orthodox Christians. The director was fired and now some oligarch with zero background in art controls it. His first decision? To 'reconstruct' the theater despite the fact that works costing millions of US dollars have already took place ten years ago.

Here Russian Minister of Culture says he will not tolerate 'anti-Russian' films:

http://lenta.ru/news/2014/12/10/rashka/

A film festival in Russia has stopped recieving funding and thus closed directly because of this decision.

[vilas 477]

Russia gonna provide S-300 systems to Iran - news from last few minutes

[Sub-Human 10]

That is direct interference with a UN resolution from 2010. That Russia supported and voted for. Putin is desperately looking for allies, as Iran and Cuba have began aligning with the Western world...

Speaking of interference:

(Russian) Russian WW2 museum depicting US and British allies banned

The FSB directly ordered that a photo-memorial depicting not only Soviets, but also the Allies, would be banned. Interference with basic historic facts if I ever saw one.

Edited April 13, 2015 by Sub-Human