Legal violations by A3L: Arma 3 life

[ZertyKchan 14]

Same here, this look interesting, could you provide me the file or download link for the launcher in a PM so I can take a look at it. It would be really appreciated.

Cheers

[StevenW129 10]

It's most likely to be the shitty packing they use showing up as a false positive. A number of scanners pick it up as I put it through a test. I wouldn't worry too much.

Edited December 2, 2014 by StevenW129

[nuxil 2]

Yes most likely it is. but you never know.

You can try and use PE Explorer and open the exe. save it as a new exe and do a comparison.

Though its not quarantined that PE Explorer will be able to unpack it, it has support for nspack, upack, upx, might exist more unpacker plugins for other packers.

[bigpickle 0]

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The rules state everything that being spoke about here goes against the rules.

[nuxil 2]

Bigpickle

im not Advertising anything. im merly telling about a tool that can be used. do you see me post any links or ads in here ? No!

its two different things to advertise something and refering to a tool by its name..

whats next? cant talk about other things on the internet without advertising it?

maybe i missed it. but i do not see anyone post links to some mods/addons in here. people are showing screenshots etc.

again. its 2 different things.

tortuosit nice edit :p

Unpacking a packed exe? Sorry, but your comment is laughable and german Blockwart like.

However, I'd recommend you guys to ask for source code, then study it. Everything else is just based on assumptions and useless.

edit: where did your post go?

Yes you can unpack a packed exe file. read more about it here

this doesnt give you the source tho, but it if an antivirus was triggered because it was packed.

This is a method you can try to see if it triggers on the unpacked exe or not.

And no im not gonna ask for the source. im not interested in looking at it.

I was more interested in, what if it was true that they had implemented a trojan in the launcher aswell to all the other stuff they voilated.

trojans such a keyloggers etc can be used to steal personal info such as kreditcard nr ++ whaterver.

Copyright/Ip/Licensing Voilation is more of a civil case and is time consuming and become costly

While cybercrime becomes a federal/state case and dosent really cost you a penny excepy for what you already paied in taxes :p

Yes its all speculations. You can never trust a AV 100%.

Some of the AV doesnt handle packed pe files verry well. some gives false positives some dont and vs

Also you should not assume that all packed exe files do not have trojans/viruses in them. just because one AV give more false positives then correct ones on packed file.

Altho it seems like they have used an unorthodox method for packing, upx, upack, nspack are well known to most AV, so Q is. do they have something to hide?

Anyway. we are getting a bit offtopic here.

Might be best to leave this discussion about the (false) infection and get back to the copyright/ip license voilation issue and let the drama continue!

Edited December 2, 2014 by nuxil
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[abuser 10]

Bigpickle

im not Advertising anything. im merly telling about a tool that can be used. do you see me post any links or ads in here ? No!

its two different things to advertise something and refering to a tool by its name..

whats next? cant talk about other things on the internet without advertising it?

maybe i missed it. but i do not see anyone post links to some mods/addons in here. people are showing screenshots etc.

again. its 2 different things.

tortuosit nice edit :p

edit: where did your post go?

Yes you can unpack a packed exe file. read more about it here

this doesnt give you the source tho, but it if an antivirus was triggered because it was packed.

This is a method you can try to see if it triggers on the unpacked exe or not.

And no im not gonna ask for the source. im not interested in looking at it.

I was more interested in, what if it was true that they had implemented a trojan in the launcher aswell to all the other stuff they voilated.

trojans such a keyloggers etc can be used to steal personal info such as kreditcard nr ++ whaterver.

Copyright/Ip/Licensing Voilation is more of a civil case and is time consuming and become costly

While cybercrime becomes a federal/state case and dosent really cost you a penny excepy for what you already paied in taxes :p

Yes its all speculations. You can never trust a AV 100%.

Some of the AV doesnt handle packed pe files verry well. some gives false positives some dont and vs

Also you should not assume that all packed exe files do not have trojans/viruses in them. just because one AV give more false positives then correct ones on packed file.

Altho it seems like they have used an unorthodox method for packing, upx, upack, nspack are well known to most AV, so Q is. do they have something to hide?

Anyway. we are getting a bit offtopic here.

Might be best to leave this discussion about the (false) infection and get back to the copyright/ip license voilation issue and let the drama continue!

They're using ConfuserEx 0.3.0 on max settings to like I thought :P time to extract koi

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[eggbeast 3673]

pickle meant the A3L guys not you guys

ooh 1812 signatures, time for the william tell overture!

[jaimcnutt 10]

The irony is that all these poor fellows actually "donating" to play a game they have already bought don't actually seem to mind.

Its not really "Irony" as per say they are more "scared" of the end action and simply loosing their $30. I know its only $30 and I am one of the people that "Donated" (BS) in the beginning so I could play. It was a required donation or pay to play just calling it a donation for loophole and legal reasons and they kept on after their warning by changing a few words saying that you have to be "personally invited" by a senior member but ill tell you they aren't going to invite you without a little $$$. So I am sure you knew most of that but what i am getting at is most kids on here are college kids and $30 is a lot to them. That is like 30 boxed of kraft dinner man. I am older and have a job so im not so concerned but ultimately they are scared of just loosing their hard earned money. Just my two cents based on the feedback i have been getting from the A3L community

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pickle meant the A3L guys not you guys

ooh 1812 signatures, time for the william tell overture!

When you design a game that relies so much on the public to come out with new content it is going to be a very hard thing to monitor and in a sense you should expect some sort of piracy. Don't get me wrong im not for it at all but i did pay for the arma 3 DLC and it took until Nov 2nd for the Helicopters update which was only 3 helos and now we are waiting for marksmen which is no slated till some time in the first quarter next year for a few more guns??? They need to pick up the slack on their end and give us more content. Even to play the game single player all their is , is training from bohemia or bootcamp and that takes no time at all. They need to realease levels, missions more playable content.

[fn_Quiksilver 1636]

They need to realease levels, missions more playable content.

Can you be more specific?

What sort of missions, what kind of levels, ... ?

[toysoldier 35]

Haha this guys are funny :biggrin_o:

(Arma3 Life Page)

[Rich_R 1087]

I get a little tired of the 'BI needs to release more' argument.

The game is known for being a military simulator with a very flexible editor set in the gaming worlds biggest sandbox. Sure BI will release campaigns but the Arma series has always been known for what the players can do with it. That's why its (fairly) modded friendly.

Ironically, this is why there can be so many variations such as A3L and DayZ.

This complaint is like buying a sci fi game and complaining there are no Cowboys and Indians.

[Grumpy Old Man 3545]

I get a little tired of the 'BI needs to release more' argument.

The game is known for being a military simulator with a very flexible editor set in the gaming worlds biggest sandbox. Sure BI will release campaigns but the Arma series has always been known for what the players can do with it. That's why its (fairly) modded friendly.

Ironically, this is why there can be so many variations such as A3L and DayZ.

This complaint is like buying a sci fi game and complaining there are no Cowboys and Indians.

A sandbox can grow old really quick if there's only sand to play with, no matter how big.

[Rich_R 1087]

Not to be argumentative, I'm at 4 gb of mods and there are a lot more that could be downloaded...

I can drive and fly vehicles for six or seven factions as well do stuff underwater.....not sure how much more stuff we can reasonably want. Don't get me wrong, I'll take it when it comes...

But this is getting off topic and I apologize for that.

[jaimcnutt 10]

A sandbox can grow old really quick if there's only sand to play with, no matter how big.

Totally so you kind of know what i mean.

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Oh you want me to make them? I don't know the kind that most games come with, maybe more than one campaign after 2 years besides ones from the public that you have to download a million addons to play just to see if the are good or not.

[eggbeast 3673]

yeah guys, start a thread (get a room) lol.

I and a ton of other modders are keen to make stuff for A3, like full vietnam makeover (unsung), and complete modern warfare makeover (CUP), etc etc as well as porting in tons of content we have been using in A2. However this kind of theft and making money off our work (I speak for team-mates as my own stuff has not been pirated AFAIK) makes us feel like what's the point?

It took us 15 months to make unsung 2.6, which was based on unsung, which had taken CSJ, Yac, Sgt Savage and others 10 years to develop. We also used 100+ vilas models and aplion and hcpookie and von knudenberg, all making new models for it... and i edited 100 configs, many with more than

10,000 lines of code... No-one ever got paid for it. It has had 32,000 downloads from armaholic over the years.

So (for example) for someone to come along and say "oh nice shotgun guys, i'll have that" and add it to a mod that makes them $30 grand, it's just absolutely shite. then for them to argue with the maker that they can do what they like...

I may not play a Life mod, and many of us probably won't, as we are milsim fans, but it's not that that makes us cross, you can hopefully see that. It's the blatant disregard of copyright and commercialisation of non-commercial content.

This is the primary reason for the thread, and for trying our best to tackle A3L. They will never be given permission to use anything from most modders, ever again. The guys will need to have name change, sex-change and account change, and then they may get away with it for a bit, but once we find out they are using any of our content in future, we are clubbing together a war-chest of funds to go after them with lawyers.

Edited December 5, 2014 by eggbeast

[nodunit 397]

Say they do remove the requested mods of all addon makers that told them to remove them, what then?

[StevenW129 10]

Say they do remove the requested mods of all addon makers that told them to remove them, what then?

It's too late. They have already caused the damage and made the money off of it. There is no going back from what they have done.

[MINKA 14]

Good news..

ArmA 3 Life's developers are all leaving! They are soon to be without Developers, and eventually without players too

[A.Cyprus 16]

Wow.

Is there any information to confirm why?

[StevenW129 10]

Good news..

ArmA 3 Life's developers are all leaving! They are soon to be without Developers, and eventually without players too

Please provide proof.

[OfficerJR 10]

Haha I agree, I got the popcorn popper goin' right now.

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BL1P, their server host can be contacted and the server pulled, paypal or whatever they use for donations might be able to get involved since this entire operation is literally a scam, demanding $30 to get access to addons and a terrain that you can actually download off of armaholic or these very forums. They need to be stopped, for the sake of the community. They have nothing to hide behind, it's actually a very rare pure black and white case, and what they are doing is illegal, plain and simple.

I would very much love to see PayPal get involved. Because I would like my $30 back, maybe if they would have given the things they promised I wouldn't care so much.

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I just made a petition on Change.org if anyone wants to sign it! https://www.change.org/p/arma-3-life-terminate-arma-3-life-operations-and-refund-the-victims-of-this-scam

[Tyl3r99 41]

no source then its not real mofo :)

[StevenW129 10]

I would very much love to see PayPal get involved. Because I would like my $30 back, maybe if they would have given the things they promised I wouldn't care so much.

PayPal are already aware and investigating as A3L breaches the PayPal Acceptable Use Policy by selling a product that breaches copyright.

[gysgt_mel 1]

Well A3L has officially lost most of the dev team. They are still keeping appearances up but they lost their Project Manager Mike Baxter, Schultz who was making a new map for them, he is gone and quite a few apparently left with Mike Baxter. Shit has been going on in the background for a while now and it looks like the community is falling apart, piece by piece. Here is a picture of the current dev team but people like Deo Alto, Steaker and Mckooter haven't been around now for weeks. If Steaker would now jump ship, their whole plan with the new framework would be gone.

They haven't even told the community that their map maker and all their vehicle makers are gone from the dev team.