Ukraine General

[beastcat 14]

Speaking of humanitarian aid: A "humanitarian aid" storage in Rostov next to the Ukrainian Border exploded before it could be transported into Ukraine.

http://youtu.be/wh0M8gzvzkM

[vilas 473]

I think that may fall under freedom of speech. In Germany there is still the National Democratic Party and Islamists calling to kill all non-muslims and they are free to say what they want as well.

and the same time in those countries people are persecuted for saying anything against LGTB, which make no sense (our country laws make no sense if neo-nazi may call for holocaust like example i gave , jihadists may call for murder infidels, and this is tolerated)

[Tonci87 163]

Speaking of humanitarian aid: A "humanitarian aid" storage in Rostov next to the Ukrainian Border exploded before it could be transported into Ukraine.

http://youtu.be/wh0M8gzvzkM

Man, toilett paper does burn good, and do you hear all those canns of food popping open? :p

[beastcat 14]

http://youtu.be/8PjF7fCQjpQ

What seemed like an accidental detonation of military equipment, is actually Putin's new program to block out the sun in order to fight global warming, saving the world once again.

Edited April 29, 2015 by beastcat

[vilas 473]

according to press - but news vanished soon (strange) , Ukrainian army surrounded Right Sector units (base)

[vilas 473]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro_Dyachenko

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=224_1425513457

http://russia-insider.com/en/poland-stretches-out-its-hands-freedom-fighters/5558

[sudayev 27]

We already discussed that. They fucked up by doing so. Ukraine has lost reputation among Poles by honoring butchers like Bandera and Diaczenko. Moreover Russians will have better excuse to push them harder.

[spooky lynx 73]

Maybe it lost reputation among some part of Polish society. But among your politicians and those who take part in the war on the side of UA army it did not.

[Dwarden 1124]

remember Ukraine Republic and Whites did same mistake twice in last century, they told Polish Gov that agreement isn't option

we know how it ended (Bolsheviks wiped Whites and USSR owned Ukraine)

[sudayev 27]

Can't speak for Ukraine born Poles who are mostly pro-Ukrainian but according to various sources of information more Poles from the country have joined the DNR, rather than pro gov't forces. Russian propaganda that constantly says about the presence of Polish forces but when asked they can't show a solid and confirming proof, so all they have are fanciful, Münchhausen-fantasy stories hitting the spot of the populist minds.

One of many modern Russian fairytale, with Polish artillery deploying in Odessa, but I don't blame ordinary Russians for their beliefs and views distorted by politically-driven government controlled media, since many of these people are cut out from other than regime sources of information. No wonder that after being bombarded by such sensational news day by day, they will take everything for granted.

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=pl&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fnovorus.info%2Fnews%2Fevents%2F25331-polsha-vstupaet-v-voynu-na-ukraine.html&edit-text=

This perfectly reflect what mastermind behind the Nazi propaganda once said

“Think of the press as a great keyboard on which the government can play.â€

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it"

Edited May 2, 2015 by Sudayev

[St. Jimmy 272]

Good document about the Odessa with English subs and German dubs.

Edited May 2, 2015 by St. Jimmy

[mistyronin 1181]

Good document about the Odessa with English subs and German dubs.

I'm sorry, but "Good document" was ironic right? If it's more biased than anything I've seen in a long time, hiding facts and images and changing the order of the events.

Funny fact, is that the day it happened I was watching it live through different streams (recorded by both sides). You can see it in this same thread, where I pasted the stream links and commented the events while they happened. Impossible to fake.

You could see how a lot of pro-Russians arrived with white vans marked with the DPR seal and Saint George ribbons, carrying different weapons (handguns and rifles). Weapons that they used at the beginning against the Ukrainian to raise hell and anger.

You could also see how the Odessa police did it's best to save a lot of pro-Russian demonstrators, protecting them from the mob (even creating 3 line rows) once everything blow up.

And on the fire, you could clearly see how the molotovs cocktail that ignited the wooden barricade in front of the building were thrown from the upper floor (where the pro-Russians were).

In fact those pro-Russians that throw Molotov cocktails were also shooting guns from the upper floors against the Ukrainians that surround them.

And how the Odessa Police did once more their best to save the lives of those who were inside the building, with stairs and others.

While that images from the Ukrainians throwing cocktails against the facade were done way later, when the fire had already burnt most of the staircase of the building and the police was already evacuating the injured.

On a side note, I also still wonder who were the men in black that in full tactical gear appeared a few times at the end of the demonstration and took really selectively certain demonstrators.

[Tonci87 163]

produced by leftvision.de

That´s all you need to see to know how biased it is. For some stupid reason leftists (not the same as socialists) in Germany think that Putin is close to their ideology because they still have that connection Russia=Communism in their heads (and because they receive funds from Russia).

AS Misty said, there was a livestream. Livestream can´t lie. The guys in the building have themselves to blame for the fire.

[astral4eg 10]

That´s all you need to see to know how biased it is. For some stupid reason leftists (not the same as socialists) in Germany think that Putin is close to their ideology because they still have that connection Russia=Communism in their heads (and because they receive funds from Russia).

AS Misty said, there was a livestream. Livestream can´t lie. The guys in the building have themselves to blame for the fire.

And then began to explode conditioners, we know

Link to a video where the burned themselves into the studio please.

[mistyronin 1181]

And then began to explode conditioners, we know

Link to a video where the burned themselves into the studio please.

As I said in my post above, it's in this same thread, just look for dates. If you wanna find it, it's not difficult.

[astral4eg 10]

As I said in my post above, it's in this same thread, just look for dates. If you wanna find it, it's not difficult.

If the stream was then there must be record. Also if such a recording was, it would be very often shown on TV as a justification, but this record does not exist.

[Tonci87 163]

If the stream was then there must be record. Also if such a recording was, it would be very often shown on TV as a justification, but this record does not exist.

Oh sure, it was a hallucination we saw with our own eyes. It isn´t all over the media because the Russians are the only people who care about it, and they have their own version that they repeat over and over until they themselves start believing it.

Go back in the thread, check for yourself.

[beastcat 14]

It would be very often shown on TV as a justification.

No, because no one is trying to justify anything, since no one (significant) outside russia believes the russian position.

[mistyronin 1181]

No, because no one is trying to justify anything, since no one (significant) outside russia believes the russian position.

Basically that. Most of people outside Russia is used that the Kremlin lies, and Putin even more. Putin is kind of a George W. Bush but in authoritarian figure, and with desires to be the next Hitler / Napoleon.

Edited May 3, 2015 by MistyRonin

[spooky lynx 73]

Excuse me, my dear victims of evil Russia, but is it true?

https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/15530/295770469.3/0_140a8e_4ab8692a_XL.png (454 kB)

[John Kozak 14]

https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6503/295770469.3/0_140a8d_77661dab_XL.jpg

Even *IF* that is not fake (and that if should be spelled with font 72) that's definitely less conspicuous than burning half of an archive of soviet-era documents ;) and don't even start the "it was accidental" game

Edited May 5, 2015 by DarkWanderer

[vilas 473]

i need German translation

English document is understandable and it is clear for me, if it is not fake, than it is possible cause Civic Platform is pro-EU anti-patriotic party which leaders said few times that "being Pole is shame" or "patriotism is mental ilness" etc.

those guys who now rule Poland , rule because of support of western corporations who own our media , and maybe by some voting cheats (which are hard to prove but last municipal elections were very suspicious) , Civic platform are simply western corporations and Merkel pupets who are against own country, but they are in rule cause media are supporting them and in mainstream media all is supporting them, so this document in English might be fake, but also may be true , because in case of Civic Platform i am ready to believe that they even sold their own mother for seat in Brussels parliament or for seat in German bank ,

if Poles had guns like Americans i highly doubt that civic platform would exist

if this document was visible before it would reach right-wing patriotic media which i follow every day, but i never seen such documents , so maybe it is fake prepared by Russian intel to mess Polish political scene

for Civic Platform politicians it is possible, cause policitian who says "patriotism is mental ilness" "being Pole means being insane" "Poland is piece of trash and crap" and that the only problem is gay marriage it is possible and that first we are "EU-ropeans" not Poles, and important is interest of EU not our country , it is possible ,

the only thing i do not understand are people who vote for them cause my country is ruled by people who openly say they are anti-patriotic, but it is other case

they are corrupted , they say whatever Merkel will tell, they are Merkel and Brussels pupets supported by mainstream media who call any patriot as "homophobic fascist",

Polish right wings know similar documents and opposite to Polish lefitsts we are hate UPA as we hate NKVD or SS cause UPA harmed us as Soviets and Nazis, for me Stalin administration, Bandera slaughters, Himmler SS are similar,

there is nothing new in this document, Polish society is very divided and we are on the brink of riots or something violent because of what those corrupted pupets of foreign corporations done (sold all industry, all bank sector, 6% of society emigrated which makes 15% of people in working age, only 40% people vote in election, rest doesn't believe in elections and democracy with not our media which disinform society, cause of course a lot of our media are also sold to foreign corporations and they represent will of banksters and NWO)

so we know such things and riots are highly possible because how long you can tollerate someone who spit at tradition and say that patriotism is mental illness, our forums (which are not mainstream journalism controlled) are full of anti-UPA comments,

people here know about UPA as much as they know about NKVD and SS,

German translation would be welcome cause "ich weis nicht" i only know "langsam, lagsam" from porn movies

however i do not know if those documents are true or fake created by someone in photoshop

Edited May 5, 2015 by vilas

[spooky lynx 73]

i need German translation

In general - German minister strongly recommends to remove the documents about recognition of Volyn massacre as genocide of Poles from UNESCO as it would hurt Polish-Ukrainian relations and 'common European affairs'.

BTW here's a proof that it's not fake (or CNN is bought by Putin).

Edited May 5, 2015 by Spooky Lynx

[vilas 473]

so Gemany simply play 2 faces,

1 face - pro-Russian EU part,

2 face - pro-Ukrainian in secret,

they play 2 sides to :

- sell again to Russia,

- suck Ukraine from its property in case of Ukraine be in EU,

it is just proving what we say here from long time - it is all Merkel game

if Putin was not imperlialist - we slavic should keep together, but Putin spoiled all in any pro-Slavic,with-Russia relations by anexation of Crimea

[Tonci87 163]

Excuse me, my dear victims of evil Russia, but is it true?

https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/15530/295770469.3/0_140a8e_4ab8692a_XL.png (454 kB)

https://img-fotki.yandex.ru/get/6503/295770469.3/0_140a8d_77661dab_XL.jpg

I can´t tell if this is real or fake, but it is suspicious that there are multiple formal and linguistic errors. One would expect that the office of the German foreign ministry is at least able to write correct German....