Ukraine General

[mistyronin 1181]

What do they think all the international volunteers that joined the pro-Russians thinking that were communists... ( hence atheists )

This is a thing that happened in Lugansk.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxj_KueCAAA_Tc_.jpg

[Rydygier 1317]

If we're speaking about artistic events...

Ex-President of Poland Aleksaner Kwasniewski sings USSR and Russian anthems in Kiev

- I want you to understand what kind of the country is Russia. It can change the words, but does not change the melody - said at the weekend ex-President Aleksander Kwasniewski, and then sang hymns of the USSR and Russia (the melody is the same, changed the words). - Russia is trying to restore the superpower it once was the Soviet Union. Politicians in Europe and the United States should be aware of this issue - said Kwasniewski. Policies was the guest of the Conference of Yalta European Strategy, which - because of the situation in Crimea - held this year in Kiev.

[beastcat 14]

What do they think all the international volunteers that joined the pro-Russians thinking that were communists... ( hence atheists )

The Interpreter - Russian Orthodox ‘Fundamentalists’ Radicalizing Secessionists in Ukraine

[oxmox 73]

What do they think all the international volunteers that joined the pro-Russians thinking that were communists... ( hence atheists )

You can probably find nationalist pro-east Ukraine supporters aswell. But our main media does not report a lot about the seperatists, its again quiete one sided.

Some days ago we were discussing about the chance to report about the seperatists during this cease-fire, nothing happens at least if I did not miss it..only single articles in the last months about it.

@didnt see the post from beastcat, yes I saw an article some weeks ago about pro-east ukraine nationalist seperatists.

Edited September 15, 2014 by oxmox

[Dwarden 1125]

It's worst than that, people not only can get censured, but punished for that.

Besides Putin also promoted a law against those who support separatism. I guess all Kremlin's funded media will be punished, as they are all the time promoting the pro-Russian "separatists" in Ukraine, also commenting almost every day the situation in Catalonia or Scotland.

( RIA Novosti ) Putin Signs Law Punishing Separatism with Jail

take people freedom slowly, piece by piece ... reminds me on some historical lesson ...

[beastcat 14]

Infotag - “LITTLE GREEN MEN†RECRUIT AND TRAIN YOUNG PEOPLE FROM MOLDOVA, TOO – EX-DEPUTY MINISTER

Unian - "Little green men" appeared on the territory of Moldova - NSDCU

[oxmox 73]

Journalists, Civilians & OSCE under Artillery fire

Cease Fire in Ukraine is very fragile

Donetsk - Kievsky district; Journalist

Donetsk - City (?); Journalists

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFneGTIlaHY

Donetsk area - OSCE Observer shelled/hit by fire

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iz3lqF9mHKM

Report (detailed) about it from the OSCE

http://www.osce.org/ukraine-smm/123587

Edited September 15, 2014 by oxmox

[beastcat 14]

So apparently the army captured this, after the separatists left it in a field:

http://youtu.be/HSjnkr0w2X0

If you don't know what that is, its the GAZ Tigr that Zhirinovsky donated to the LPR.

[Rydygier 1317]

Infotag - “LITTLE GREEN MEN†RECRUIT AND TRAIN YOUNG PEOPLE FROM MOLDOVA, TOO – EX-DEPUTY MINISTER

Unian - "Little green men" appeared on the territory of Moldova - NSDCU

Yeah. And now, after half year of such war on Ukraine, we hear from NATO commander in Europe, gen. Breedlove, so NATO need to think, how to deal with such tactics. I don't know, I hope, it is only official smokescreen, beacuse if not, if NATO is really so sluggish, then they need to wake up or invest more budget in coffee.

[ProfTournesol 956]

Yeah. And now, after half year of such war on Ukraine, we hear from NATO commander in Europe, gen. Breedlove, so NATO need to think, how to deal with such tactics. I don't know, I hope, it is only official smokescreen, beacuse if not, if NATO is really so sluggish, then they need to wake up or invest more budget in coffee.

It wouldn't surprise me if NATO had no clue how to deal with what happens.

[Dwarden 1125]

It wouldn't surprise me if NATO had no clue how to deal with what happens.

ofcourse NATO has idea how deal with it, invisible men were deployed ;)

[negah 26]

Yeah. And now, after half year of such war on Ukraine, we hear from NATO commander in Europe, gen. Breedlove, so NATO need to think, how to deal with such tactics. I don't know, I hope, it is only official smokescreen, beacuse if not, if NATO is really so sluggish, then they need to wake up or invest more budget in coffee.

Oh don't worry, from my experience no one can surpass hq personell at drinking coffee :D

However once it comes to a change of plans...

[beastcat 14]

Russian UAVs are now starting to violate Ukrainian airspace from Transnistria as well now, so they probably plan on possibly opening another front from there.

[beastcat 14]

Wikipedia - Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People

[Tonci87 163]

So...what are you trying to tell us with that post?

[surpher 1]

So...what are you trying to tell us with that post?

(Radio Free Europe) Crimean Tatar Mejlis Raided, Searched By Police

(BBC) Rebels granted self-rule and amnesty

The measures are in line with the 5 September ceasefire agreement signed by President Petro Poroshenko.

The European and Ukrainian parliaments also voted to ratify a major EU-Ukraine association agreement.

Meanwhile, Russia said it needed to boost troops in Crimea - Ukraine's peninsula annexed by Moscow in March.

(BBC) Russian rouble hits new low on sanctions

"Oil and related products still account for nearly half of exports, meaning that lower prices translate into lower export revenues, which in turn puts pressure on the currency," said Neil Shearing at Capital Economics.

(Forbes) As The Sanctions' Noose Tightens, China Grabs Russian Energy Assets At Bargain Prices

The Russian economy faces a severe liquidity crisis, collapsing investment and a severe recession. Putin has jeopardized his “safe†European gas market and faces legal problems that he cannot avoid. His sanctions against the West have simply made his own people worse off.

(The Guardian) The British brain surgeon who joined the fight against corruption in Ukraine

Doctor and acclaimed author Henry Marsh had worked in Kiev for more than 20 years – then found himself in the middle of a revolution

Edited September 16, 2014 by surpher

[Rydygier 1317]

http://www.pap.pl/palio/html.run?_Instance=cms_www.pap.pl&_PageID=1&s=infopakiet&dz=swiat&idNewsComp=&filename=&idnews=179564&data=&status=biezace&_CheckSum=1661063918

16.09. Moscow (PAP) - The Minister of Defence of the Russian Federation Sergei Shoigu said on Tuesday that the exacerbation of the situation in Ukraine and increasing foreign military presence near Russia's borders require the deployment on the Crimea wholesome grouping of troops.

[aleksadragutin 9]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bxoo8XsCQAEnKg2.jpg

Wikipedia - Mejlis of the Crimean Tatar People

What do Tatars have to do with anything?

[ProfTournesol 956]

What do Tatars have to do with anything?

Because they lived in Ukraine, until Putin decided Crimea should go back to mother Russia.

[aleksadragutin 9]

Because they lived in Ukraine, until Putin decided Crimea should go back to mother Russia.

Yes, I know that. But regarding this post, and this long after Crimea joined Russia.

[blu3sman 11]

What do Tatars have to do with anything?

Youre right, persecutions on ethnic grounds, conducted by the regime that occupies part of ukrainian territory, has nothing to do with anything. Especially with country, which said territory belongs to, and is a subject of this same thread.

Ugh...:confused_o:

[oxmox 73]

Its some days ago already and I missed to post it, but something for the laugh......:D

"US Helicopters did get lost and had to ask for their way home"

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/notlandung-in-polen-hubschrauber-der-us-armee-verirren-sich-a-991109.html

----> Hey wait a moment......

Do you remember about the ~10 russian soldiers who got allegedly lost and crossed the boarder by mistake ? We did discuss how is it possible in the days with GPS. The New York times did even write about an Invasion.

Isnt it ironic.

Edited September 16, 2014 by oxmox

[mistyronin 1181]

US Chopper Squadron Invades Poland, Accidentally

( US Helicopters did get lost and had to ask for their way home)

Wait. Wasn't the US a Poland's ally?

BTW the other thousand Russian soldiers beside those 10, recognized by the same DPR, got lost too?

[oxmox 73]

Wait. Wasn't the US a Poland's ally?

BTW the other thousand Russian soldiers beside those 10, recognized by the same DPR, got lost too?

Its about getting lost....i found this funny after reading the article about the US helicopters.

[Tonci87 163]

I don´t think they were really "lost" every one of those machines has advanced navigational software (maybe they didn´t have the map of Poland loaded into it :D ). It sounds more like either really bad weather forced them to land or the US went for a little PR stunt.