Ukraine General

[mistyronin 1181]

How many Japan plants was builded and working now on Russian territory? How many of Russian processors (65nm) exports to China and Japan? What do you know realy about us?

I will just summarize it with the phrase of my favorite economist Xavier Sala-i-Martin, "Putin has gone mad" ( he said it in this TV show ).

His studies are the ones that are used by the UN to determine the poverty rates, measures of inequality and development of the countries.

I'm not an authority in economy, but he is.

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BTW: ( RIA Novosti ) Leaked UN Report Claims Russia ‘Rigged’ Crimea Referendum

Edited April 14, 2014 by MistyRonin

[maturin 12]

The suitcase. -> Airport. -> U.S. Superpower. Good luck.

Err, what?

[arttem 1]

I'm not an authority in economy, but he is.

Okay. Little list for you to think. Plants builded and owned by Japan:

Yokohama - Lipetsk.

Bridgestone - Ulyanovsk.

Mitsubishi - Kaluga.

Nissan - St. Petersburg (in 2012 the best quality plant from all Nissan plants all over the world).

Toyota - St. Petersburg, Shushary.

Hitachi - Tver.

Datsun - Tolyatti.

Sanoh Industrial Co. Ltd. - Tolyatti.

Sony - Borovsk.

Komatsu - Yaroslavl.

Calsonic Kansei - St. Petersburg.

Mazda - Vladivostok.

Subaru - Kaliningrad.

Takeda Pharmaceutical Company Limited - Yaroslavl.

Toshiba - St. Petersburg.

Kinugawa Rubber Industrial Co., Ltd. - in plans.

Iida Group Holdings - in plans.

Hino - in plans.

Unipres Corp. - in plans.

Marubeni Corporation - in plans.

Honda - in plans.

Jatco - in plans.

Not completed list. Tired to collect. :)

Edited April 14, 2014 by ArtTem

[ProfTournesol 956]

Yep, Russian labor is cheap.

[arttem 1]

Yep, Russian labor is cheap.

Better a chickadee in hand, than someone else's pie in the sky.

[scrim 1]

You're just writing random words at this point, aren't you?

[Beagle 684]

Yep, Russian labor is cheap.

Quite often those products are produced there for the russian market. BMW does it that way. Mercedes does it that way, MAN does it that way, Siemens does it that way. Volkswagen does it that way. We do not reimport VWs from China or Russia, we make those for German Market in germany those for Spanish market in Spain etc. It's not cost effective these days to ship goods all around the globe.

And there is a reason why a VW costs more in germany compared to the rest of the world... just look at the stuff in premium list. Russia and Cjhina get mainly low cost base editions with decent but old componets compared to EU standard (US dosent get the premium standard as default neither to compete with those cheap US cars)

[spooky lynx 73]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Eew9bGi8KA

Locals in Donbass try to stop the tank. Main phrases adressed to crew: "Who are you going to shoot at?! Turn off the engine, stop!".

[mistyronin 1181]

( BBC ) Obama urges Putin to rein in separatists

US President Barack Obama has urged his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin to use his influence to make separatists in eastern Ukraine stand down.

While in RT: Putin to Obama: Use your influence to prevent bloodshed in Ukraine

It's funny. I'm sure RT is right, because obviously the violent demonstrators in Eastern Ukraine are pro-US, and want to join the US. ( wait, was it? )

Edited April 15, 2014 by MistyRonin

[arttem 1]

( wait, was it? )

No. It's something new. :)

[ProfTournesol 956]

( BBC ) Obama urges Putin to rein in separatists

While in RT: Putin to Obama: Use your influence to prevent bloodshed in Ukraine

Dialogue of the deaf.

Edited April 15, 2014 by ProfTournesol

[mistyronin 1181]

( BBC ) Ukraine 'begins anti-terror action'

( RT ) Kiev launches military operation in eastern Ukraine

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New video from our beloved ( and for some hated ) journalist from Vice News:

[Sgt.Spoetnik 10]

Yep,first deaths been reported as goverment forces storm a airfield, and so it begins.! btw Prof thats about right ;) lol bingo

[spooky lynx 73]

Well... Shytestorm has begun. Congratulations.:mad:

Military fighters, attack planes... Yanuk was labeled as bloody dictator even for LEOs using force against maidanuts. Now maidanuts ready to use army - from tanks to air force against their rivals. Where's the condemnations from 'free world'?

News report from Kramatorsk.

Reporter says about fighter low-level flying shooting at ground objects. Member of self-defence who is at the airfield says about a couple of helicopters landing at the field, about 40 armed men were in them.

Edited April 15, 2014 by Spooky Lynx

[ProfTournesol 956]

Well... Shytestorm has begun. Congratulations.:mad:

Military fighters, attack planes... Yanuk was labeled as bloody dictator even for LEOs using force against maidanuts. Now maidanuts ready to use army - from tanks to air force against their rivals. Where's the condemnations from 'free world'?

This doesn't sound good.

[blu3sman 11]

Yep,first deaths been reported as goverment forces storm a airfield, and so it begins.! btw Prof thats about right ;) lol bingo

That's BS. Government forces storm their own airfield?

Yes it was stormed, but by mercs/pro-russian fanatics. That's why they took aircraft into the air, so it won't get captured or destroyed.

Check your info.

[Tonci87 163]

I´ve read something else. Ukrainian Transport helicopters were attempting to land but received small arms fire and turned away. After that a jet did a show of force pass to scare the gunmen away.

Of course Russian media is now claiming that the Jet did strafing runs on poor unarmed protesters.... kind of weird that they have absolutely no footage of that happening :rolleyes:

Edited April 15, 2014 by Tonci87

[blu3sman 11]

Oh, what about these guys? What any government in normal country does in this situation?

[Tonci87 163]

What exactly is happening in that video? You can´t just throw videos in here with zero background information in english...

[blu3sman 11]

It is what it is. Two men driving a van near Slovyansk and "polite people"

http://www.poltava.pl.ua/news/27588/

[mistyronin 1181]

Well... Shytestorm has begun. Congratulations.:mad:

Military fighters, attack planes... Yanuk was labeled as bloody dictator even for LEOs using force against maidanuts. Now maidanuts ready to use army - from tanks to air force against their rivals. Where's the condemnations from 'free world'?

Again, let's make an exercise of imagination of a possible situation.

What would happen if in Russia some cities were taken by pro-US violent demonstrators that wanted those regions join the US. What would happen if they storm police stations and get weapons... What would Russian Army do, and what would Russia media call them...

I still remember in a nation in Russia where, armed militias were trying to get the independence of the region from Russia, Chechnya. Still today Russia media calls them terrorists, and used in the past from fighter jets, to tanks, artillery, etc...

I support the claim of equal rights for Russian speaking citizens in Ukraine. But taking the weapons and assaulting buildings it's a war crime, and must be solved in that way.

When Russian speaking minorities armed themselves and mounted an armed insurrection, they lost all kind of respect and rights they may had.

[ProfTournesol 956]

They seem quite cautious ATM though.

[mistyronin 1181]

They seem quite cautious ATM though.

IMO they are trying to cause awe and shock. So the insurrectionists lose their warmonger attitude and depose their weapons.

But, we will see how it develops.

[blu3sman 11]

In an earlier video (filmed on potato) a man shot dead near SUV is an SBU officer

http://www.sbu.gov.ua/sbu/control/uk/publish/article?art_id=124258&cat_id=39574

[Tonci87 163]

It is what it is. Two men driving a van near Slovyansk and "polite people"

http://www.poltava.pl.ua/news/27588/

Who are the two men and who are the gunmen supposed to be?