Terrorattack in Norway's capital, Oslo.

[demonized 20]

http://www.vg.no/nyheter/innenriks/oslobomben/artikkel.php?artid=10080633

norwegian newspaper, use google translate perhaps.

there is reports from Utøya that there is possible a second culprit, on the loose, not captured by the police.

particpants describe a second man in civilian clothing and have given similar descriptions, also several describe shots beeing fired in 2 seperate locations at the same time.

Nothng yet confirmed by any authority.

It could just as well be panic and situational awareness thats been compromised in a horriffic situation that have led to this, but the witness reports is disturbing if true and he is on the loose.

Edit, just now, a man was aprehended by police at the gathering of the parents, friends near Utøya, he had a knife, no more information descibed.

maybe just extreme caution being executed by police, wich is understandable.

Do we know if the Gunmen in Utoya is related to any terrorist groups? Or the bombing yesterday?

No he was a radical "nationalist" in his own words.

Edited July 23, 2011 by Demonized

[stgn 39]

The news in Denmark says that the person how shot the people at Utoya was the same who planted the bomb. Seems to me the bomb was a distraction and the island was the real target giving the assaliant an excuse to gather people together before starting shooting them.

I am outraged my sincere condolences to Norway

[demonized 20]

The news in Denmark says that the person how shot the people at Utoya was the same who planted the bomb. Seems to me the bomb was a distraction and the island was the real target giving the assaliant an excuse to gather people together before starting shooting them.

I am outraged my sincere condolences to Norway

the shooter was observed in Oslo around the time of the bomb, and counting that its the holidays and not too many was on work of important party leaders i believe you are spot on, a "great" distraction to assemble all available personell in another area, so he could cause max damage in another.

[da12thMonkey 1943]

He apparently ran some sort of agricultural business and in May, used it to obtain several tonnes of fertilizer that he would later use to make the bomb that was used to draw resources and attention away from Utoya, and allow him to corral the young people on the island before murdering them.

It definitely wasn't a large international terrorist organization like Al-Qaeda, as so many people were quick to assume; and appears to be motivated by Norway's domestic politics rather than their foreign policy.

Edited July 23, 2011 by da12thMonkey

[soul_assassin 1750]

Dutch news reports that the suspect is a right wing Christian fundamentalist.

[Hans Ludwig 0]

Dutch news reports that the suspect is a right wing Christian fundamentalist.

So being "Christian" and residing on the right of the political spectrum means by default you are a "fundamentalist?" What if you are on the left and an atheist?

Building gated communities, fleeing to the suburbs....

just waiting for another fuse to blow...

I live in a gated community. The family that lives across from me is black, to the left of me is a Mexican family and three houses down from me lives a gay male couple. The street over from me lives an Indian family (from India for those of you that still call Native Americans by the term "Indian.")

So your gated community fallacy where everyone that lives in one is white and filthy rich and super racist, has just been debunked.

Edited July 23, 2011 by Hans Ludwig

[OChristie 0]

In the UK News it states that it was a 'Christian Fundermentalist who was fed up with the policy and tolleration with muslims in Norway'

Why did he not just bomb/shoot up a mosque instead of innocent people. IT seems that he has adopted the tactics of a muslim fighter and attacked his own to try and prove a point.

Much like, how recently the Taliban and Al-Quaieda have been attacking civilians in Pakistan and Afghan and saying its because we got Bin Laden. LOL, Idiots, how does attacking there own people who we dont give a feck about going to make us feel bad for gettting Osama.

FPDR

[celery 8]

In the UK News it states that it was a 'Christian Fundermentalist who was fed up with the policy and tolleration with muslims in Norway'

Why did he not just bomb/shoot up a mosque instead of innocent people. IT seems that he has adopted the tactics of a muslim fighter and attacked his own to try and prove a point.

Much like, how recently the Taliban and Al-Quaieda have been attacking civilians in Pakistan and Afghan and saying its because we got Bin Laden. LOL, Idiots, how does attacking there own people who we dont give a feck about going to make us feel bad for gettting Osama.

FPDR

Most likely because of contempt for the policies upheld by the Labour party.

[Tonci87 163]

Why did he not just bomb/shoot up a mosque instead of innocent people.

I really hope that you don´t mean it this way!

I´m a christian but I still respect every muslim for living his religion if he does it peacefully without trying to convert me.

[soul_assassin 1750]

So being "Christian" and residing on the right of the political spectrum means by default you are a "fundamentalist?" What if you are on the left and an atheist?

no. being a fundamentalist makes you a fundamentalist. Be it left, right or forum troll.

[ProfTournesol 956]

no. being a fundamentalist makes you a fundamentalist. Be it left, right or forum troll.

This. Christian fundamentalists are most of the time on the right wing, or extreme right wing in you prefer.

[krycek 349]

When sick stuff like this happens Im thinking that even a death sentence is too easy on these psychos and they get away to easily.

No,with these sort of monsters we should go medieval all the way,first tortured for a number of days then be executed.This way they get to feel the pain they cause to others.

Ahh civilization,where even death penalty has been abolished.By no way I condone death sentence for petty crime,but it should be kept for special cases like this one where a random psychopat pulls a gun and ruins entire families lives.I hope that bastard gets a long and painfull death in prison.

[Innomadic 10]

Why did he not just bomb/shoot up a mosque instead of innocent people.

I really hope that you don´t mean it this way!

I´m a christian but I still respect every muslim for living his religion if he does it peacefully without trying to convert me.

I think his point was more along the lines of "why attack those who are not the subject of your hate?".

If he was a fundamentalist, and absolutely hated Muslims, why attack those who are most likely more Christian aligned?

[celery 8]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik

The information thus far doesn't point to fundamentalism or blind hate against a single ethnic group. He is a political extremist, and he picked his targets accordingly. In other words, he targeted the party largely responsible for the things he didn't like.

[da12thMonkey 1943]

I think his point was more along the lines of "why attack those who are not the subject of your hate?".

If he was a fundamentalist, and absolutely hated Muslims, why attack those who are most likely more Christian aligned?

It appears to me that he didn't necessarily hate Muslims specifically, more that he hated the concessions that Norway had made towards immigrants that allowed for Islamists to propagate in Norway, and impose values from other cultures at the expense of the traditional Norwegian way of life.

It's simple to label his motivation as being a racist or neo-Nazi in light of him holding anti-immigration views, because when you scratch the surface of many of the most vocal anti-immigration groups in Europe and the US; they tend to have some underlying level of an ideology of white supremacy that prevails among their members.

Some reports have mentioned that he's actually expressed a hatred for racists and the notion that 'nationalism' should be drawn along lines of ethnicity rather than national values. At first this does seem to be a contradiction for somebody who objects to many Muslims in Norway, but if you consider his objection to be the conflict of cultural and ideological attitudes caused by the perceived supremacy of Islam among immigrants - it starts to make sense. He's also apparently expressed tolerance of homosexuality, and support for Israel to recognize itself as a Jewish state - these aren't views typically held by your usual Neo-Nazi, or even those with just a right-wing ideology.

I think his outlook is significantly more complicated than the right-wing ideology most people are familiar with. Instead, his ideology seems conservative, by means of wanting people to maintain the historic virtues of the country they live in, and not allow transplanted cultural movements that conflict with the established identity of a country, to dominate.

[mrcash2009 0]

Says it all.

[*LK1* 10]

So being "Christian" and residing on the right of the political spectrum means by default you are a "fundamentalist?" What if you are on the left and an atheist?

i guess is not an attack to these valors. hes trying to say that guy is just a sort of christian taliban.

Edited July 23, 2011 by ***LeGeNDK1LLER***

[CommanderYuri 10]

Very sad day for Norwegia .... My deepest condolences !

92 humans killed for what ? May they all rest in peace.

Edited July 23, 2011 by CommanderYuri

[Hans Ludwig 0]

being a fundamentalist makes you a fundamentalist.

Not according to you. It seems that if someone doesn't align themselves with a socialist ideology, then they are inherently evil.

Matter of fact, I put you and this knuckle head in the same group to avoid. However, while I don't agree with anyone killing anyone over certain views, there is a large segment of European natives that has been disenfranchised in-favor of immigrants. Immigrants who wouldn't other wise have moved to Europe, but where basically given a plan ticket and tax money to live off of. So once again, no one should be shocked this was going to happen. Common sense and understanding of history would allow you to predict the outcome.

Edited July 23, 2011 by Hans Ludwig

[ProfTournesol 956]

Not according to you. It seems that if someone doesn't align themselves with a socialist ideology, then they are inherently evil.

Matter of fact, I put you and this knuckle head in the same group to avoid. However, while I don't agree with anyone killing anyone over certain views, there is a large segment of Europe that has been disenfranchised in-favor of immigrants. Immigrants who wouldn't other wise have moved to Europe, but where basically given a plan ticket and tax money to live off of. So once again, no one should be shocked this was going to happen. Common sense and understanding of history would allow you to predict the outcome.

Nothing can justify what happened, it's no use trying to.

[Hans Ludwig 0]

Nothing can justify what happened, it's no use trying to.

War can't be justified, but that's exactly what is happening in Europe. This event is the first piece of evidence that the first shot was fired.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not demonizing anyone. People have a right to their sovereignty and way of life. If they feel threatened or don't like their new guest, they have all the right to evict them. That's why there should be some contract that guest that want to be permanent residents should sign and abide by. You know, just like you sign when you stay at a hotel, rent a car, work a new place of employment and etc...

[HyperU2 11]

I understand the rage but not the actions. Same went with Timothy McVeigh. I guess reason and clarity goes out the window if you're angry enough.

[ProfTournesol 956]

War can't be justified, but that's exactly what is happening in Europe. This event is the first piece of evidence that the first shot was fired.

Lol. You're talking to Europeans here my bad, there isn't any war here, in fact European societies are much less violent than yours. What happened is only the evidence that crazy guys are existing, that's all.

[vilas 477]

this time i agree with Ludwig

of course it is consequence and effect of politicians who not see problems (cause they live rich apart from society)

ProfT, it is not matter of justifying, it is natural consequence, he done strong act, otherwise his "voice" would be not listened

look at history of humankind

how many time people were "protesting" ? countless times,

does any of protest changed anything ? no, cause politicians (in past kings) do not listen, but send police to beat people

so from time to time someone takes weapon and makes something which show "problem"

it is natural behavior of frustrated people and consequence of pro-immigrant politics and lack of protection of own labor-market

hitting politician is 1000 times better than hitting people in subway, theater, hospital (Chechens in Russia)

tell me, do you know politicians who care about you ProfT. ? cause i not know (99% of them piss on voters, they just want your tax money to spend on their wage)

of course guy made wrong thing, but Ludwig told about "reasons" and you call "reasons" justifying ?

clearing , showing reason is not equal justifying

and in human history many times we moved further after some bad acts (look at history, look what was labor situation before 1917 and after , soviet revolution was blood, but now I can go on holidays 26 days a year instead of be half-slave without right to pension after 65 y.o.)

I understand the rage but not the actions. Same went with Timothy McVeigh. I guess reason and clarity goes out the window if you're angry enough

okay, tell me what would be reaction of politicians if this guy would type 10 000 000 times "stop imigration, protect market" ?

i know this reaction "no reaction"

his action is action which for me says "politicians, do listen to voters, tax payers, you are hired by us, we are not your property, you politicians are our workers, cause we pay you taxes "

at the moment policians live like "uber-men" class "untouchable", when you protest, they send police (while you pay tax for this police)

people vote for man who says A, this man after election say B

i treat this action like action against politicians in EU and EU liberal (left-wing when it comes to tradition and protecting own people) way we have now

Edited July 23, 2011 by vilas

[soul_assassin 1750]

Not according to you. It seems that if someone doesn't align themselves with a socialist ideology, then they are inherently evil.

Matter of fact, I put you and this knuckle head in the same group to avoid. However, while I don't agree with anyone killing anyone over certain views, there is a large segment of European natives that has been disenfranchised in-favor of immigrants. Immigrants who wouldn't other wise have moved to Europe, but where basically given a plan ticket and tax money to live off of. So once again, no one should be shocked this was going to happen. Common sense and understanding of history would allow you to predict the outcome.

wow, flaimbait it is. reported.