celery 8 Posted May 31, 2011 (edited) What are the things that Armed Assault and Operation Flashpoint did better than Arma 2 does now? How are they done in those games in comparison? 1) Birds. You could shoot seagulls and buzzards out of the sky in ArmA 1, which was very fun indeed. Also, no seagulls in Arma 2 when the obvious move would have been to have crows in addition to seagulls. http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=52620 2) Sidearms. The usefulness of sidearms were at their best in Operation Flashpoint and animations in ArmA 1. Their accuracy wasn't artificially crappified like in Arma 1 and 2, and the animations were really smooth and fluid in ArmA 1. 3) Women. In my personal opinion the women in OFP are the best if only for their functionality. They didn't look like much but they could function like any other unit, and that allowed for more flexible and gender-equal scenarios. 4) Legacy objects. Armed Assault has all the buildings and most of the objects of Operation Flashpoint either as they were with slightly sharper textures, or drastically improved. Arma 2 lacks many OFP and ArmA 1 objects, initially allowing only for Chernarussian style custom maps. 5) Russian ironsights. They were actually useful in OFP, but they've been misaligned (pointing downwards) since ArmA 1. This is an Arma 3 thread for obvious reasons. Edited June 1, 2011 by Celery Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mankyle 380 Posted May 31, 2011 Summer trees Actually most of Arma 2 trees are retextured trees from Armed Assault. I have a version of the PMC OFP world map that uses Armed Assault Trees, and they look a zillion times better that the summer vegetation pack that was released one year after A2 was released. In Lemnos, I want my Olive trees back!!!!!! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tsb247 0 Posted May 31, 2011 I haven't really noticed any problems with the sidearms in Arma2 (usefulness or animations). My only problem with them is the ever-present, "Pistol glitch," that has palgued the franchise since the original ArmA. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
froggyluv 2133 Posted May 31, 2011 Well it's been a minute since playing the Original but iirc, the AT guys seemed to fire when needed and switched weapons less. Also I believe we had the option to order them to arm their AT weapons and vice versa. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
instagoat 133 Posted May 31, 2011 AT people in Arma 2 are sometimes indeed pretty daft, sometimes needing minutes to aquire a target that is in plain sight and without obstacles inbetween. Or sometimes not shooting at all. A2 was an improvement in all regards over A1 and OFP in my opinion, but it didn´t go far enough too. I hope this will be remedied with A3, with BI pulling all the stops. New interface, improved AI, simulation of armour penetration and body armour, improved physics, etc, the whole list. I trust them though... in my opinion, they´ve just been a little too conservative. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ProfTournesol 956 Posted May 31, 2011 Combat strokegun/strokefist simulations existed in OFP, and had just to be enabled for AI by a little change in the config. It wasn't perfect but it existed. It was removed since then, cutting any modding possibilities using it. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipper5 74 Posted May 31, 2011 I felt the colors of OFP and ArmA were much more pleasant to look at for extended periods. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nuttex 10 Posted May 31, 2011 I think it's quite obvious that OFP singleplayer campaigns beat ArmA 2 ones. I mean, the scale of story, the characters, the voice acting, the creativity of the missions themselves - it all created a great SP experience for me Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sky999 10 Posted May 31, 2011 What are the things that Armed Assault and Operation Flashpoint did better than Arma 2 does now? How are they done in those games in comparison?1) Birds. You could shoot seagulls and buzzards out of the sky in ArmA 1, which was very fun indeed. Also, no seagulls in Arma 2 when the obvious move would have been to have crows in addition to seagulls. http://forums.bistudio.com/showthread.php?t=52620 Weren't you the one who was arguing that it was bad the birds could be shot? I second what walker said. This is not something to be proud of and it's certainly not a funny occasion. Even though it's just a simulator, I believe I'm right when I say that animal rights are still in effect. People like Victor are the ones who make rare species even more rare or extinct in the real world, and I only hope that he gets jail or the chair when he's caught shooting rare birds or other protected species in the wild.I also frown at shooting seagulls, they have every right to live just as you do. They don't even kill humans like you do in this simulator. The seagulls are better people than you. Or is that all sarcasm? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zipper5 74 Posted May 31, 2011 Or is that all sarcasm? FPDR Yes. It was sarcasm. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sky999 10 Posted May 31, 2011 I see. I think one thing that OFP did amazingly well, that ARMA1 and ARMA2 didn't do well unfortunately, was creating a realistic speed for units to fall to the ground when shot. When you shot an enemy in OFP they hit the ground quickly and realistically. There were almost no slow motion type deaths and the movements were fluid. In ARMA1/2 the unit deaths are way too hollywood style. When you shoot a unit they should drop to the floor hard, not slowly fall to the ground. I'll have a look around for some videos to use as an example. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dlang 24 Posted May 31, 2011 The Island from Arma 1, with many mountains, beachs, islands , airports (on Lemnos there is just one airport, and I hope that it will be civilian (yes, for citylife 3 ^^) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nkenny 1051 Posted May 31, 2011 Operation Flashpoint: Had a much stronger setting than both games that followed. More importantly offered quite few immersion breakers. The UI in flashpoint ranged in two types. Believable or Minimalist. I really miss the quotes when you die in a singleplayer mission as well. :) Believable Briefings were presented on a notepad. Map markers were obviously hand drawn. Changing any PC game setting was accomplished on a 3d Laptop. After action reports were written out on a filofax/notepad. Compass and timepiece are more or less unchanged since operation flashpoint times and relics of this awsome Minimalist Whenever the player had to interact with purely gamey mechanics. Effects were subtle, often fading, and with very little extra garnish to attract attention to it. In comparison ARMA2s interface is quite the opposite of subtle. No effort is taken to produce neither particularly minimalistic nor believable UI. Misc ARMA1 introduced the GEAR menu for mid-mission equipment tweaking. Though better than the action-menu driven system of operation flashpoint... Its hardly anything to write home about. -k Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crazyirish93 10 Posted May 31, 2011 The ak sights and the death quotes are things i miss most. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scubbo 10 Posted May 31, 2011 I miss the old (and imo better looking) vegetation (CWC vege that is) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
.Taffy 10 Posted May 31, 2011 The Island from Arma 1, with many mountains, beachs, islands , airports (on Lemnos there is just one airport, and I hope that it will be civilian (yes, for citylife 3 ^^) That's a good point, the 1 airport on Lemnos will be a limitation, and odd considering the size of the island. Perhaps they will use some artisitc licence to place more, maybve suggesting that any others are temporary, improvised ones constructed in the course of the conflict? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Steakslim 1 Posted June 1, 2011 yeah dirt air strips wouldn't be anything new from BIS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NeMeSiS 11 Posted June 1, 2011 That's a good point, the 1 airport on Lemnos will be a limitation, and odd considering the size of the island. Perhaps they will use some artisitc licence to place more, maybve suggesting that any others are temporary, improvised ones constructed in the course of the conflict? Real life Chernarus did not have an airfield, so BI just turned some of those fields into an airfield, plus we got that grass runway where those houses just above the river are. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Big Dawg KS 6 Posted June 1, 2011 (edited) Things ... OFP did better than Arma 2 Viktor Troska and James Gastovski. Nuff said. But more seriously, the Resistance and black ops CWC missions were some of the best styles of missions in OFP that you just don't see in ArmA 2 (what with the sneaking around and scavaging/stealing stuff). And I still think BIS needs to return to the 80s (or similar cold war setting) at some point. I'm getting bored of all the hi-tech gadgetry. Edited June 1, 2011 by Big Dawg KS Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CameronMcDonald 146 Posted June 1, 2011 The campaigns and missions, that's probably about it. Also, that sweet clotheslined animation when hit while running. God it was awesome - crossing a field under fire, then *thwack!* - you see your feet go horizontal as you make a line in midair. I do miss the humour caused when a house occupied by players is destroyed, and turns into a paper-collapsing-fuckuppery mess. "Where are the stairs? OH GOD WHERE ARE THE STAIRS?" Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
messiahua 0 Posted June 1, 2011 OFP: 1. normal campaign 2. "dull" colors, almost all new games look cartoonish 3. movement speed of units was realistic, in arma you walk 6 km/h, jog 18km/h, sprint 23 km/h :rolleyes: Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sickboy 13 Posted June 1, 2011 I would point out that most of the mentioned things are modable (very strong part of this game), while all content of previous games is allowed to be used in the next games in the series. Even all arma1/ofp objects are available in CAA1, but I suppose it's all about out of the box availability. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
carlostex 38 Posted June 1, 2011 Even all arma1/ofp objects are available in CAA1, but I suppose it's all about out of the box availability. It's not all about, but it's good to have it straight out of the box. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mr. Charles 22 Posted June 1, 2011 I dunno if i want OFP legacy objects in ArmA3. They just won't fit in there (graphically wise) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nads 10 Posted June 1, 2011 One of the things I remember from OFP was during a mission I directed one of my troops down an alley, couple of seconds later I heard an explosion and all I saw was his helmet roll out into the road, at the time I thought it was the coolest thing ever. Dont know why helmets did'nt come off in anything after OFP as it's pretty damn realistic, in fact I even questioned if I saw it in the first place because I dont think it was that common even in OFP. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites